Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War

[iop890]

I'm also open to the idea that this is all fake, but the boxing belt and the post pointing out the IMDB pages are some of the dumbest points I've seen in a while.

 

[Aldebaran]

The rare earth mineral part of the deal was bs - Russia occupies the area with these resources.

Wouldn’t be surprised if T & V knew this and planned to use this meeting to ambush Z to get out of this deal and show the world that Z is just a begger king.

All the media shows is the final few minutes of the meeting where Trump and Vance start shouting at Zelensky.

But the meeting had already lasted 40 minutes before this happens. If you actually look at the footage from the meeting, you see that Zelensky continually interrupts Trump and lectures him about how the situation is and how the US should respond. You can also see that Trump is getting increasingly irritated about the whole thing. Then Trump finally snaps and tells Zelensky that he can't tell the US how to feel and think. And from that point it goes downhill fast.

 

[sarmaticus]

It's a boxing belt (WBC Championship), not wrestling, which might belong to Oleksandr Usyk.
I think it was supposed to be a gift for Trump that was not delivered cause the midget emperor was kicked out.

Nice cope but it has US and Ukraine flags on it, it just looks like a custom crafted new belt to me... Tyson Fury is a brit...
Also if it was that, it's Usyk's belt not Zelensky's.. Or Zele can rob anything anytime from ukies, including yeah ukies..?

 

[Aldebaran]

Nice cope but it has US and Ukraine flags on it, it just looks like a custom crafted new belt to me... Tyson Fury is a brit...
Also if it was that, it's Usyk's belt not Zelensky's.. Or Zele can rob anything anytime from ukies, including yeah ukies..?

What a stupid argument this is. All it takes is a quick Google search. It literally has Usyk's name on it.

Ukraine president Zelenskyy presents Donald Trump with Usyk's world title belt

UKRAINIAN president Volodymyr Zelensky had a special gift for Donald Trump on his visit to the White House. The 47-year-old brought Oleksandr Usyk’s world heavyweight belt into the Oval Offic…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Samseau]

View attachment 18707
What is this? Idk I'm asking for a friend..

It's a gift from Zel to Trump, it was a Boxing championship belt:

Zelensky brings Usyk's belt to meeting with Trump | УНН

УНН Politics ✎ The President of Ukraine brought Oleksandr Usyk's WBC championship belt to the meeting with Trump. This belt was presented to Zelensky last year, and …

unn.ua

Reported by the Ukrainians themselves.

Sarmaticus, you gotta be more skeptical of the stuff you see on twitter bro.

 

[sarmaticus]

What a stupid argument this is. All it takes is a quick Google search. It literally has Usyk's name on it.

Ukraine president Zelenskyy presents Donald Trump with Usyk's world title belt

UKRAINIAN president Volodymyr Zelensky had a special gift for Donald Trump on his visit to the White House. The 47-year-old brought Oleksandr Usyk’s world heavyweight belt into the Oval Offic…

www.thesun.co.uk

The Sun... they can't be a moving part from the entire cast, no!
Butz it haz Usyk name on it bruh...You can't be that dumb are you?

Unless you're a NPC who lacks internal dialog and wants to take everything they say at face value, you should ask yourself whether at times they like to rub it in your face in a more subtle, symbolic way.

 

[Aldebaran]

The Sun... they can't be a moving part from the entire cast, no!
Butz it haz Usyk name on it bruh...You can't be that dumb are you?

Unless you're a NPC who lacks internal dialog and wants to take everything they say at face value, you should ask yourself whether at times they like to rub it in your face in a more subtle, symbolic way.

Not everything is 7-D illuminati symbolism. It's a gift. State leaders give each other gifts when they meet. Trump loves fighting, so actually a great gift.

Why was is there on the table? I'm guessing Zelensky had a plan to present it to Trump and put it around his waist like he was the one running the show and Trump was his fighter.

 

[Cooper]

 

[Caduceus]

The Sun... they can't be a moving part from the entire cast, no!
Butz it haz Usyk name on it bruh...You can't be that dumb are you?

Unless you're a NPC who lacks internal dialog and wants to take everything they say at face value, you should ask yourself whether at times they like to rub it in your face in a more subtle, symbolic way.

Seeing as you refuse to simply admit you got it wrong, why don't you explain your theory a bit better instead of making smarky remarks, and dishing out personal insults.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[budoslavic]

Yesterday, we watched the Art of the Steal meet the Art of the Deal. It's the Globalists and Neocons versus the American Right. The former are deeply aligned and invested in the continuing war in Ukraine (or any conflict for that matter) because it lines their pockets at the expense of the American tax payer. Zelensky is just their stand-in. The people who support Zelensky and his behavior are either grifters on the take or NPC useful idiots. Trump and Vance are tired of the war steal and should be universally applauded for standing firm for a peace deal.

 

[budoslavic]

Yesterday, Susan Rice said of the Trump-Zelensky meeting, "There is no question this was a set up." She revealed full knowledge of the mineral agreement, complained that it didn't include "concrete" security agrees (meaning, apparently, commitment of US troops on the ground if conditions merit), and then mischaracterized Trump's behavior, counting on most Americans to not have watched what transpired over the entire hour in the Oval Office.

You can look at this and dismiss it as typical Democrat talking points, but you could also view it as almost a confession, one that includes details about the current "Get Trump" effort.

Yes, Trump won the popular vote against unbelievable odds, but if you think Team Obama is being any less involved in quiet insurrections than they were during the first Trump administration (Russia collusion, Ukraine impeachment, etc.), you're clueless. I'll remind you that Susan Rice was in the small Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the WH with other key Russia collusion hoax perpetrators.

Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened.

I think their goal was to have a wonderful performance by Zelensky, an angry Trump appearing to scuttle the deal, and the support of the neocon portion of the GOP to start applying pressure on Trump to have US Troop commitments as part of the "security guarantee." It was a set-up, in Susan Rice's interesting choice of words.

Instead, Zelensky had one of the worst stage performances of his acting career, and Trump was statesmanlike (against all odds) throughout. Zelensky followed Team Obama's advice to be hostile to a tee, but it didn't land how they thought it would. Surprisingly, one of the most important aspects of it not working out might have been Lindsay Graham's reaction. Had he and other neocons thought Zelensky was being reasonable, Trump would be having to fight (even moreso) the neocon portion of the GOP in addition to Team Obama's dirty tricks. Even the "conservative" neocon pundits on TV last night were admitting Zelensky had royally messed up.

As you can see from the hostility of the bureaucracy to any Republican oversight, no matter how reasonable or minor it may be, the entrenched bureaucracy and permanent DC apparatus is quite active. That goes quadruple for the deep state in the Intelligence Community. I'd expect more and more shenanigans and to be prepared so that you don't fall for the next information operation. The post-WWII architecture in Europe and the US needs this war to continue or be settled on "US troops on the ground" type guarantees, even though that's not what Americans want.

Things will heat up here, and it's a very dangerous time.

RICE: You clowns are up to the same old tired crap. When your guy screws up and royally embarrasses himself and the U.S., you try to change the subject and lie about a favorite target to distract and deflect.

For the record, I have never met Zelenskyy and never spoken to him. Ever. Or advised him or anybody around him.

It’s a shame that you contend that it is in the U.S. national interest to sell out Ukraine and suck up to Putin.
...
MOLLIE: Thank you for your response. Where would we place this denial, compared to your oft-repeated lie that the Benghazi debacle was due to a YouTube video, and your lie that you "knew nothing" about the unmasking of Trump officials before being forced to admit you did it widely?

 

[budoslavic]

As Obama’s national security advisor, Rice was a key architect of the West’s of the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine, which was the foundation for everything that has happened in Ukraine since then. All the needless death and destruction was built upon the Maidan madness that Rice and her friends deliberately designed.

If you’re wondering why she’s so angry and defensive—simultaneously claiming to have in-depth personal knowledge of the dynamics driving the negotiation while confessing she hasn’t talked to a single person involved in any of it—it’s because everything happening in Ukraine today was deliberately set in motion by her utter incompetence as Obama’s top foreign policy adviser.

Deep down she knows this, and she hates herself for it. But she can’t admit any of it publicly, even if it’s obvious to anyone who’s been paying attention for the last decade.

Even Biden snapped at Zelensky back in 2022.

 

[budoslavic]

In 2014, Ukraine needed a loan. There were two offers:

* The World Bank (IMF) offered $15 billion with two conditions:
-Lift the ban on private sector land ownership.
-Cut pensions and fuel subsidies.

* Russia also offered $15 billion, but WITHOUT the austerity and privatization requirement.

Ukrainian President Yanukovych decided to chose Russia's offer, so Washington instigated a coup, ousting Yanukovych.

The new Ukrainian government accepted the IMF loan and conditions: austerity and privatization

Multinational consortia with US capital have already bought 1/3 of Ukraine's land...

Flashback on Mearsheimer's analysis on NATO-Ukraine-Russia in 2015...

 

[FrostBITE]

European leaders have been so used to receiving American dictates for such a lengthy period of time they seem unsure of how to conduct themselves when presented with some agency. When given the chance, they invariably invite ridicule. Don't think I'm happy or amused by this development, either (okay, it's somewhat amusing). This is the continent that has birthed some of the greatest men/leaders in history, and the rest of the world used to look at them with fear, awe, or a combination of both... mon Dieu, quelle déchéance !

 

[sarmaticus]

Seeing as you refuse to simply admit you got it wrong, why don't you explain your theory a bit better instead of making smarky remarks, and dishing out personal insults.

You should have extracted my message already from my above post unless you're trying to engage in sophistry, which I suspect you do..

ooc - what's your profile pic meaning?

 

[scary_robot_music]

I couldn't help comparing that front row to Stalin, FDR, and Churchill. They didn't come off very favorably.

 

[budoslavic]

Trump posted this on his Truth Social page.

 

[budoslavic]

Edit. Trump will likely respond to EU's so-called peace plan version.

Speaking at a news conference after the summit, Starmer said four points had been agreed:

* to keep military aid flowing into Ukraine, and to keep increasing the economic pressure on Russia

* that any lasting peace must ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and security and Ukraine must be present at any peace talks

* in the event of a peace deal, to boost Ukraine's defensive capabilities to deter any future invasion

* to develop a "coalition of the willing" to defend a deal in Ukraine and to guarantee peace afterwards

Sir Keir also announced an additional £1.6bn ($2bn) of UK export finance to buy more than 5,000 air defence missiles. This comes on top of a £2.2bn loan to provide more military aid to Ukraine backed by profits from frozen Russian assets.

Starmer: Coalition of willing to guarantee Ukraine peace

The UK prime minister says Europe would take the lead but US backing for a peace plan was needed.

www.bbc.com

 

[RedLagoon]

Yeah but what's Castro doing there? Didn't he quit plus he's Canadian?