Lounge of The Russian-Ukrainian War
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We will keep seeing this nonsense with Ukraine until such time as local populations in Europe rise up electorally and on the streets, refusing to back any party that supports continued funding for a lost cause.
Currently, people who don’t like the funding but still vote for Labour/Conservatives in the UK, Macron’s party in France, or the Social Democrats and CDU/CSU in Germany are just ensuring the funding continues.
Enough European leaders will want to fund the war, mostly regardless of what Trump does with the US.
Ironically for someone who kicked the teeth in of the Bundeswehr when she was in charge of the German Defence Ministry, Ursula von der Leyen treats the Ukraine fiasco as a vanity project now that she’s heading the EU.
The same woman who had plagiarism on 43 pages of her medical thesis is trying to concoct excuses as to why a deindustrialized, migrant-swamped Germany and EU generally is good for Europe.
Currently, people who don’t like the funding but still vote for Labour/Conservatives in the UK, Macron’s party in France, or the Social Democrats and CDU/CSU in Germany are just ensuring the funding continues.
Enough European leaders will want to fund the war, mostly regardless of what Trump does with the US.
Ironically for someone who kicked the teeth in of the Bundeswehr when she was in charge of the German Defence Ministry, Ursula von der Leyen treats the Ukraine fiasco as a vanity project now that she’s heading the EU.
The same woman who had plagiarism on 43 pages of her medical thesis is trying to concoct excuses as to why a deindustrialized, migrant-swamped Germany and EU generally is good for Europe.
Trump outlines possible timeline of talks to end war in Ukraine
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has expressed hope he will be able to end Russia's war against Ukraine through negotiations, including as a result of his future talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin over the next few months. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net
Trump wants to end the war within 6 months, which, isn't as good as ending the war on day one like he boasted on the campaign trail.
The Democrats worked very hard to escalate as much as possible, with the Kursk invasion, missile strikes deep into Russia, and terrorist attacks. Just to spite Trump, and keep their cash cow war from ending.
Still, 6 months is way better than nuclear war so I'll take it.
Yea they'll probably need time to actually reach an agreement that is satisfying for both Russia and Zelensky. I doubt international courts would jail Zelensky, but Russia probably would, if the Ukraine were completely partitioned.Trump outlines possible timeline of talks to end war in Ukraine
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has expressed hope he will be able to end Russia's war against Ukraine through negotiations, including as a result of his future talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin over the next few months. — Ukrinform.
Trump wants to end the war within 6 months, which, isn't as good as ending the war on day one like he boasted on the campaign trail.
The Democrats worked very hard to escalate as much as possible, with the Kursk invasion, missile strikes deep into Russia, and terrorist attacks. Just to spite Trump, and keep their cash cow war from ending.
Still, 6 months is way better than nuclear war so I'll take it.
Also, a new government most-likely has to be set up. If I'm not mistaken, Zelensky's presidency ended a while back. Therefore, there would either have to be new elections, a western puppet government or some kind of pro-Russian government. In addition, any agreements involving Ukraine not joining NATO or other non economic international alliances would have be part of the constitution or another official agreement.
I'm certain Russia will also insist on some other demands being met, for example the re-introduction of Russian as an official language of equal importance, freedom for the Russian Orthodox church etc.
JR5
Other Christian
This post argues that the official narrative of the Russia/Ukraine war is fake in accordance with Baudrillian hyperreality: https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-war-did-not-take-place
I read the article. It seems like a lot of double talk. He is saying that there are many hidden agendas involved in the conflict, and that much of the information that comes out is hyped up and mixed with lies on both sides, and it's all a huge media product, so the reality bears little resemblance to the story being told. Therefore the war is fake.
I would say that he is right about all the hidden agendas and false propaganda from both sides, but that doesn't make the war fake. For the war to be fake, that would mean no war is actually taking place. However, there are people being killed and there has been territory taken from Ukraine and incorporated into Russia. That is real.
Just because a war is surrounded and saturated with every type of deceit doesn't make it nonexistent.
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Yes, like most talk nowadays. Not only are people misinformed and talking out of both sides of their mouths, but we have also been overun by AI bots and deep fakes. There is no telling what is real or fake on the internet anymore. AI is a lot farther along than most people realize.
Yes, and so the war is fake in the sense that it was not necessary and is not what Putin claims that it is about, namely, land (history, language, NATO, etc.). Russia has a lethal nuclear arsenal and is the biggest country in the world comprising 10%+ of the world's land mass of which 75% is uninhabited and Russia needed more land for "safety" reasons? Bullshit. This war is about the jews that control Russia getting together with the jews that control Ukraine and figuring out how to get white Christian men to march to their death over nothing. Mission accomplished. The talmuds create these fake wars not only for the enjoyment of killing heterosexual Christian men, but also because they get rich off of the depleting of weapon's stockpiles from both sides. (((They))) are the military industrial complex. The Russian, American, Chinese, Iranian, and Israeli militaries are for all intents and purposes one big military as they all have the same JQ-objective... namely, making the rich richer, and the poor poorer (and/or dead).
So yes, in this sense, all modern wars are fake because they are unnecessary, and yet they are very real in terms of poor people being slaughtered for the enjoyment and financial benefit of the uber rich.
You are using the word fake differently than I would. To me, saying a war is fake means there's not actually a war going on. However, it seems pretty clear to me that a war is in fact happening there.
You can say the news reports about the war are untrue, and that the motives of all the key players are different than what they publicly claim, but to me that's different from saying the war is fake. The war is actually happening, so it can't be fake.
It seems natural to me that all parties would lie about a real war as it is going on. I think even Sun Tzu said this is how war should be practiced.
So basically there’s reality, bias, manufactured bias, and straight BS?
These wars are not unnecessary. They’re unnecessary to us. That’s the distinction. That’s the disappointment and disillusionment people feel. Happy to go kill for freedom. Come back knowing they’ve killed for profit, and not in a monetary sense.
If we look at the reality of the Jew War. Israel is waging total war and is achieving their strategic objectives. There are people that say Israel is defending itself [Oct 7] and there are people that say they’re committing a genocide. So people on both sides are applying their own morality to the war. As we can see the war has its own morality. The Muslims are yielding. Who then will enforce our morality? The plebeians want the “world” to enforce it. As if.
When we look at the Ukraine War there’s two opinions floating around. One is that Russia is standing up to the bully. The second is that Russia is the bully. That seems to be the morality in play by the observing public, reinforced by politicians that are not providing much information, fact the author rightfully notices now.
The reality on the ground is that Russia is waging a limited war. NATO is offering limited support. Russia is slowly progressing to the only objective that we can observe and that is the defeat of the armed forces of Ukraine.
So if we remove the BS completely then there are two outcomes here. There will be a limited victory as in neither NATO or Russia will be defeated. The only other option I can see is that the limited nature of the war is a stalling measure. Many people entertain this stalling idea in a very grandiose way, including myself.
Alas, in the end, the question remains what will be my or your benefit if it is the elites that are choosing to stall this conflict? Is it not for their benefit?
JR5
Other Christian
Hi Thomas, the title of the post "The Ukraine War did not take place" is a play on Baudrillard's "the gulf war did not take place". The post comments, "As Rurik’s tagline states, “The wars are fake, but the massacres are real.”" In other words, the soldiers on both sides are being ground up and killed in a conflict between two nations, but the war is simulated in the sense that the objectives being sought by our international financial elites (who exist at a level *above* that of the nation state, where both Putin and Zelensky are controlled by them) are totally different than the narratives fed to the masses about the nature of the war. What kind of war can it possibly be when both sides are controlled by higher level parties for nefarious, unacknowledged reasons, and neither is fighting to achieve military victory on the ground (which is the traditionally understood meaning of a war)?
Yes.
The title is not the issue here dude. The issue is that your boy Putin is a jew.
I suspect he is half or quarter jewish based on the history of the Shelomova family, but he definitely has some Uralic groid in him. That's why his blonde hair and blue eyes don't match the Nordic phenotype that they hail from, his phrenology would look more suitable with darker features and we can see a subtle Asiatic presence in his face and stature.
Putin does have an apartment in Tel Aviv, and the old yenta he allegedly bought it for (the money wasn't his to begin with) has long since kicked the bucket: https://forward.com/fast-forward/393677/vladimir-putin-inherits-tel-aviv-apartment/ Odd that he wouldn't try to get rid of it. The law of return is certainly a fickle thing.
He is clearly an intelligent man, capable of layers and layers of deception (if you read about the kind of methods of control and carrot & stick baiting he did to the East Germans during his time in Dresden you will see how clever he is), and while not "woke" like the western puppets he is ultimately compromised due to his history with jewry and his attempted forced rescue of Marxist ideologies. The "look at Zelenskyy and jewkraine" kosher rabbit trail trick is a joke. The jews are clearly embedded in both Ukraine and the Russian "Federation," they just adopt different tactics to snuff out the remains of European blood. One side uses globohomo anti-life values overtly and and allows nationalism a limited scope to operate as long as they wipe out other Slavs, the other side smears all nationalism as extremism and encourages its women to breed with subhumans in the absence of its men, this time out of the spite for the antipodal west's fag-loving. They basically promote any child born to straight parents as the immediate better to an opposing ideology that celebrates faggotry. The intentional near-sightedness here is that they want as many productive units born as possible, be they mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, or any other permutation of kalergi muttery.
The Soviets would do the same thing, separate the family, send the men to war or far away labor while the women were exposed to the pariah mongols that the Tsars kept on the fringes of the Empire:
"No one loses and suffers more under Bolshevism than the women. In Russia, has the Bolsheviks at the national European minorities often dragged the men and children away from their families and forced the women to be with jews, Bashkirs, and Kyrgyz to deliberately destroy the nation and race." - Vidkun Quisling.
The entire war has done but one thing more than anything else, kill a significant number of Slavic bloodlines off for good and fuel forever changes in planned immigration into Russia and the Slavic and Baltic states. Therefore any of the preposterous "casus bellis" such as a geopolitical bloc of jewry having a pissing contest with another (the phony NATO vs BRICS dialectic) is mid-wit level analysis at best. While Russia isn't *forcing* it's women to breed with swine, the creeping remnants of secularism, deracination (as official state policy) and judaized watered-down faiths prevents their judgment from forming, and with the absence of the Slavic Russian men, their hypergamous nature (as known intimately by jews and demons) results is a race of bastards, easy to control, having no thoughts beyond primal impulses, just like in the western nations, where I don't even know what the hell I'm looking at half the time anymore.
Also, the front-men aren't the ones drafting updates to the Kalergi plan, it is their handlers and creditors and financiers as it always has been. Putin is not so much to blame for anything as are the ridiculously wealthy jews within Russia, and the faggot actor Zelensky is equally just a marionette, all that money he has doesn't belong to him, he has older jews watching him making sure he plays the role he was put in to play or they'll get another one of Avi Shekelbaum's nephews to be the next president. The same goes for any "head" of state. This is why it's ridiculous for people to think Trump and Putin would ever turn on jewry. They will not, they will both go to their graves having lined the coffers of the antichrists with plenty of spoils.
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Even by the time the war finishes the death toll likely won't exceed 5 million people. The population of Ukraine is estimated to be around 37 million and Russia is estimated to be around 138 million. I am not really seeing how killing at most 5 million people relative to these two population sizes is enough to send bloodlines to extinction.
You're nit picking details of Music's above Master's Thesis while avoiding the main body of The Argument... that is, that Putin and Zelensky are both controlled by elite talmudic jews.
Furthermore, the war has done more than needlessly kill off millions of white Christian men, it has made the elite JQ richer and more powerful through depletion of weapons stockpiles on both sides and by allowing (((them))) to buy up Ukraine's destroyed (yet still fertile) land at pennies on the dollar. It's called killing eight birds with one stone. There is even more to this needless war of choice than these completed JQ-goals, but you'd need access to Their 5D-Chess-AI-Super-Computer to see how this all ties into the price of tea in China, the fires in LA, illegal immigration in the US and Europe, inflation, the pumping of bitcoin, etc.
One thing is certain, we are being fucked with and laughed at and we must start thinking in opposites as we are now in a full blown war with JQ-owned and operated AI to define "reality." If you think Putin and Trump are good, you must start entertaining the thought that they are bad (but not for the reasons the libs do). If you think there are no suitable women left to breed with then you must start entertaining the fact that maybe they are everywhere. AI is bombarding us with doom posting and a fake reality to get us to turn on one another and start World War 3.
It's all right there in the writings of George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, the Terminator movies, The Bible, etc. As predicted, Big Brother has arrived and computers, robots, and humans will soon merge into a singular force of evil. Putin's fake war with Ukraine is just one small piece of this much larger puzzle.
The birth rate in both Ukraina and Russia are well below sustainable ratios. When you add into the mix a war that kills hundreds of thousands of young men, what do you get?
Answer: Impending demographic collapse.
Ukraine's 2024 mortality rate is 3 times higher than birth rate, data shows
Some 87,655 children were born in the first half of 2024, while 250,972 citizens died of various causes during the same period, data shows. The numbers are likely incomplete because of Russia's ongoing occupation of Ukrainian territories.
kyivindependent.com