Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread

[expectation]

So it's ok to target civilian infrastructure because their rules are aligned politically against Iran?

Im fine with people engaging in Total War, but let's not pretend one side has a moral imperative and the other doesn't.

Americans troops shouldn't be hiding in luxury hotels and using the surroundings as human shields then.

You're saying Iran should let countries that hosting refueling planes that helps bombers bomb Iran which includes civilian infrastructure in Iran - slide? That sympathy line only works on people not paying attention to the conflict and its gone way past that weeks ago.

Why hotels were targeted by Iranian Drones.

Quite nice for a soldier with a view and a playstation 5. Shame that this one forgot his opsec and gave away the game.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Hopefully the markets will force Trump yo back down.

 

[GoodShepherd]

The Arab nations are hosting American bases. Scroll back the thread and you'll see details & satellite photos that they're hosting refueling planes that facilitates the bombing runs against Iran.

Also - their rulers are part of the Epstein network.

I know they are hosting US bases, Im aware of that, but threatening the drinking water that civilians use isn't a direct hit on the leaders of those nations, its not a military target nor is it a strike against US and Israel, to me this seems like a way of trying to get those nations to side with Iran for fear of having their critical infrastructure destroyed, this can also causing uprisings inside those nations against their leaders, they basically have to choose over having their water supply bombed or siding with US and Israel, which is gonna be worse? Lets see whay happens.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Americans troops shouldn't be hiding in luxury hotels and using the surroundings as human shields then.

You're saying Iran should let countries that hosting refueling planes that helps bombers bomb Iran which includes civilian infrastructure in Iran - slide? That sympathy line only works on people not paying attention to the conflict and its gone way past that weeks ago.




Quite nice for a soldier with a view and a playstation 5. Shame that this one forgot his opsec.

What does that have to do with Iran hitting desalination and civilian infrastructure?

I'm not sure you're coherently arguing here.

Either it's wrong for both parties or its not?

Im not naive, I've been saying this will move to total war, but pretending like Iran is just a victim here is total bullshit.

If you want to shill for Iran that's fine. But again the hypocrisy is hilarious.

Reread what you're saying and honestly tell me it's ok for Iran to attack water and power plants that will impact civilians but it's not ok when the US goes after the economic and civilian infrastructure.

It's incoherent.

 

[eradicator]

Based granny

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

What does that have to do with Iran hitting desalination and civilian infrastructure?

I'm not sure you're coherently arguing here.

Either it's wrong for both parties or its not?

Im not naive, I've been saying this will move to total war, but pretending like Iran is just a victim here is total bullshit.

If you want to shill for Iran that's fine. But again the hypocrisy is hilarious.

Reread what you're saying and honestly tell me it's ok for Iran to attack water and power plants that will impact civilians but it's not ok when the US goes after the economic and civilian infrastructure.

It's incoherent.

Does it matter who does it first?

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

 

[GoodShepherd]

Iv never been to Iran, I dont know the geography or the people and I dont know their military tactics or what kind of defenses or weapons they have, Iv never worked for the US military and dont know their weapons or tactics either.

Can someone make a convincing case to me as to why they think Iran can win or why they think America will win, what are your reasons for this?

 

[Caduceus]

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[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

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It's only been 23 years 36 years of bombing them.

Sec. of State, Madeline Albright: "It was worth it."

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Does it matter who does it first?

You tell me.

Is purposefully targeting civilian infrastructure wrong or not?

 

[FrancisK]

I will never understand why was iran was allowed to take over all the influence in Iraq...did not make sense on any level.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

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I will never understand why was iran was allowed to take over all the influence in Iraq...did not make sense on any level.

They are Shia, Iraq is largely Shia also

 

[PurpleUrkel]

Is purposefully targeting civilian infrastructure wrong or not?

Not going to be popular, but I'm against Nice War. Get it done or don't do it. Preferably don't do it. But telegraphing your moves, giving the enemy a notice to prepare before an attack, not using your biggest and best weapons for swift victory (nukes), and waging war with kid gloves are all part of globohomo faggotry.

True, I'm armchair quarterbacking here as I have no intention of going to my death over (((someone else's))) problems (I have no issue with Iran until their troops roll into my hometown), but civilian infrastructure is fair game.

When you are fighting for your life there are no "rules."

"All's fair in love and war."

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Not going to be popular, but I'm against Nice War. Get it done or don't do it. Preferably don't do it. But telegraphing your moves, giving the enemy a notice to prepare before an attack, not using your biggest and best weapons for swift victory (nukes), and waging war with kid gloves are all part of globohomo faggotry.

True, I'm armchair quarterbacking here as I have no intention of going to my death over (((someone else's))) problems (I have no issue with Iran until their troops roll into my hometown), but civilian infrastructure is fair game.

When you are fighting for your life there are no "rules."

"All's fair in love and war."

Yeah, you're talking about Bellum Romanum.

We did a version of that in Iraq after we notified them we were coming.

Total black out.

My comments on the matter here are merely to point out that we cant say "oh the great Satan is the bad guy and the Iranians are truly virtuous" when they are going to attack civilian infrastructure (or at best dual purpose infrastructure)

The expression is all's fair in love and war. Not sure based on the law of armed conflict that's apples to apples here.... But it's funny to watch the Europeans with tons of muzzies caught between the NATO and local population conundrum.

 

[Aboulia]

What does that have to do with Iran hitting desalination and civilian infrastructure?

I'm not sure you're coherently arguing here.

Either it's wrong for both parties or its not?

Im not naive, I've been saying this will move to total war, but pretending like Iran is just a victim here is total bullshit.

If you want to shill for Iran that's fine. But again the hypocrisy is hilarious.

Reread what you're saying and honestly tell me it's ok for Iran to attack water and power plants that will impact civilians but it's not ok when the US goes after the economic and civilian infrastructure.

It's incoherent.

The only thing incoherent is your failure to acknowledge the undeniable. That the US and Israel has targeted civilian infrastructure first, a school, and an Iranian desalinization plant, and now Iran has stated terms that if the US or Israel decides to escalate further, this is what will happen.
If Iran has to do this to deter the aggressor nation to make the war politically unfeasible in the aggressor countries and for those that support them, then it's completely understandable on their end. What else would you expect the underdog nation on the defensive to do? Roll over and die?

To illustrate, the responsibility for morality and restraint is for those who have the upper hand. As an adult, you can choose to treat a small child with decency or you can abuse it, but it is very difficult for the child to impose things on you unless the adult left open a vulnerability. You for one believe the US is much stronger, this puts the responsibility of decency on their end, which IMHO the US hasn't been doing as shown by the fact that due to US/Israel middling in the Middle East. Christians have lost protections they once had, and their population is a fragment of what it once was.

 

[FrancisK]

They are Shia, Iraq is largely Shia also

Oh trust me i know, that's why the whole thing of taking the sunni out of power made no sense in the first place...

 

[Get2choppaaa]

The only thing incoherent is your failure to acknowledge the undeniable.

Not really. I said it's bad on both sides when civilians are killed and I don't agree with targeting civilian infrastructure but I also, having been to war know how it works.

That the US and Israel has targeted civilian infrastructure first, a school, and an Iranian desalinization plant, and now Iran has stated terms that if the US or Israel decides to escalate further, this is what will happen.

1st issue. Didn't knowingly target a kids school. My position on that is covered in several posts.

If Iran has to do this to deter the aggressor nation to make the war politically unfeasible in the aggressor countries and for those that support them, then it's completely understandable on their end. What else would you expect the underdog nation on the defensive to do? Roll over and die?

I expect nothing.

But surely you're not suggesting it's ok for one side to do this and not the other.

To illustrate, the responsibility for morality and restraint is for those who have the upper hand. As an adult, you can choose to treat a small child with decency or you can abuse it, but it is very difficult for the child to impose things on you unless the adult left open a vulnerability. You for one believe the US is much stronger, this puts the responsibility of decency on their end, which IMHO the US hasn't been doing as shown by the fact that due to US/Israel middling in the Middle East. Christians have lost protections they once had, and their population is a fragment of what it once was.

In war only might makes right. Your notions of how the world works and idealism demonstrate a lack of understanding of "oughts" vs reality.

Im all for your argument until having been the recipient of Iranian backed terrorist proxies. I've got dead friends from their bullshit and I've been shot at them myself so I think your positions are totally not grounded in reality of how the world works.

 

[Ember]

What does that have to do with Iran hitting desalination and civilian infrastructure?

I'm not sure you're coherently arguing here.

Either it's wrong for both parties or its not?

It is being threatened as a retaliation for hits against Iranian infrastructure:

Strikes on oil storage that we already know cause black oily rain to fall on their cities. The WHO has warned of the extreme health risks from it.

Strikes on power plants that would leave Iranians without electricity, and lighting.

The bombing of hospitals, medical centres, TV stations, and banks.

A US strike landing next their nuclear power plant.

Strikes on desalination plants, already carried out in the South.

Strikes on civilian tower blocks causing collapses, deaths, and mass casualties.

Strikes on schools, one of them with the catastrophic deaths of 170 young girls.

Where was your condemnation of all these acts when the US and Israel carried them out? Getting on a soapbox now is too late.


Iran has now adopted the 'eye-for-an-eye' policy. These attacks will be met in kind.

Iranian warnings have been sent to Gulf states to evacuate civilians from particular areas that US personnel are hiding in/operating from, shamefully using the local population as human shields.
Where is your condemnation of that? US rockets launcher systems operating right next to built up areas, in Bahrain for example?

These Gulf nations know full well that the US is launching attacks from their territory. They have to make the choice to tell the US military to quit operations and leave. Otherwise this war will not end well, their economies will be ruined for decades, and their people will be made to suffer in the same way as the Iranian population.

The Gulf states need to choose their path. If they all stand up to the US, it will be very hard for Trump to continue.

 

[Ember]

1st issue. Didn't knowingly target a kids school. My position on that is covered in several posts.

Hegseth reduced the Pentagon targeting staff by 90%, and handed it over to A.I. because human staff did meet his desired 'lethality'. It was a deeply amoral move with predictable consequences.

The strike was also a double-tap, which shows they knew what they were doing. Bomb the kids, have all the fathers on the base come rushing over to frantically try to dig them out, and then 40 minutes later, wipe out the fathers with the second strike. It was 100% a premeditated mass-murder.