Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread
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The Prince of darkness you say?
Only God is good.
If being in the military is also a sin, then we shall pray for forgiveness for that sin also.
If Romans 12 gives God's blessing to the powers, if God blesses the peacemakers, surely they can be men of God indeed.
Matthew 5:9
King James Version
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Being fooled into the military at a young age can hardly be a sin now?
Now you're just being obtuse.
There is zero teaching that I'm aware of as a practicing Orthodox that simply being in the military is a sin.
You could argue that murder is a sin (which it is) that one needs to atone for, but simply being in the organization is not a sin.
Again, why would the Church bless our troops or have chaplains in the military if your logic held true?
Why would Orthodox have chaplains in the military?
Who says anyone was fooled.
Tons of folks go to get out of bad situations and as a way up in life when they come from poor areas.
Surely you're not denigrating that?
This appears more to be folks who have a guilt trip about not serving trying to tear down those who did because of the state of world affairs vs understanding the characteristics and values of those who do serve.
Seriously this is some of the most silly argumentation devoid of any reality I've heard in a long time.
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The US has used up 15-20% of its global stockpile of THAAD interceptors in just 11 days, defending Israel from Iranian missiles.This is reported by Military Watch Magazine.
The publication notes that with the cost of each THAAD interceptor launch estimated at $12-15 million, air defense operations using the system deployed in Israel cost approximately $810 million to $1.215 billion.
militarywatchmagazine.com
The publication notes that with the cost of each THAAD interceptor launch estimated at $12-15 million, air defense operations using the system deployed in Israel cost approximately $810 million to $1.215 billion.
U.S. Used Up 15-20 Percent of its Global THAAD Anti-Missile Arsenal in Just 11 Days of Mid-Intensity Combat: Cost Over $800 Million
The U.S. Army has been estimated to have consumed 15-20 of all munitions for its globally deployed arsenal of Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) long range
militarywatchmagazine.com
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You're the one arguing with the guy who was agreeing with him.
I think that's kinda obtuse.
Who did you think peacemaker referred to? Lesbian pacifist activist drug addicts?
The US has used up 15-20% of its global stockpile of THAAD interceptors in just 11 days, defending Israel from Iranian missiles.This is reported by Military Watch Magazine.
The publication notes that with the cost of each THAAD interceptor launch estimated at $12-15 million, air defense operations using the system deployed in Israel cost approximately $810 million to $1.215 billion.
U.S. Used Up 15-20 Percent of its Global THAAD Anti-Missile Arsenal in Just 11 Days of Mid-Intensity Combat: Cost Over $800 Million
The U.S. Army has been estimated to have consumed 15-20 of all munitions for its globally deployed arsenal of Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) long range
^This could be one of the reasons Russia and China haven't done more in this war, just watching US/NATO stockpiles dwindle, bearing in mind that their missile production capacity is large (esp. China) while NATO can't scale up its interceptor production due to internal and external (rare earth) factors.
Fair enough, I shouldn't have used sarcasm, apologies. It's a bad habit of mine.
My apologies for being rude.
Though, I'm pretty sure murder isn't usually accurate for killing in war, since murder describes unlawful killing.
I'm pretty sure killing in self defense is not a sin, and killing in war is either not a sin, or perhaps sinning unknowingly and unwillingly, with the exception of war crimes.
Please forgive me for misunderstanding your point earlier, context and sarcasm are hard to read over text on a phone.
Your position is aligned with what I've been told by my priest (s) on this subject.
But again according to some on this forum that's not the case.
Which of course is why I am being a bit of a dick, because of the self righteous Internet retarded commentary devoid of actual reality and human circumstance.
I'm a nobody, but there are many many men who've made the ultimate sacrifice for the country whether they knew what they were doing or not.
The folks on here shit talking that whom aren't American... I could care less. Id just like a scarlet letter to brandish their opinions accordingly. For the Americans running down our country man, the benefits of the way of life our military guarantees through the empire we run... well sure get your moral high points on there internet... but it's devoid of reality. And well frankly.... I kinda pitty some of you. All the condemnation and criticism and yet nothing to show for it in your own life. Kinda sad, borderline jealousy me me thinks.
I am not saying these things are good or not. I am merely pointing out reality
We should make a thread on English comprehension where we can digest comments and help each other derive meaning from them.
Original accusation was @Get2choppaaa was doing the "work of the devil" by participating in banker [Rothchild] wars in the desert. Member said something else but I did not comprehend. @Get2choppaaa felt he was called a bad Christian/fake Orthodox, at least that is my interpretation. It doesn't seem like anyone was actually arguing that.
It is possible some the 5th columnist subversive userbase here, is trying to create noise and confusion, to derail threads anytime unfortunate truths come to light. In a very organized manner these NAFTA shills attack like a rabid dog anyone challenging their global superpower of freedom narrative by attacking those of us trying to educate the world on the rising tide of the Eurasian super alliance. Sponsored by the Bush-Barbara Foundation, through subliminal methods, they plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of innocent lurkers who come here to learn about Chinese advancements and Russian conquests. Praising the work of Trump, appealing to patriotism and other nonsensical behavior is their MO.
Original accusation was @Get2choppaaa was doing the "work of the devil" by participating in banker [Rothchild] wars in the desert. Member said something else but I did not comprehend. @Get2choppaaa felt he was called a bad Christian/fake Orthodox, at least that is my interpretation. It doesn't seem like anyone was actually arguing that.
It is possible some the 5th columnist subversive userbase here, is trying to create noise and confusion, to derail threads anytime unfortunate truths come to light. In a very organized manner these NAFTA shills attack like a rabid dog anyone challenging their global superpower of freedom narrative by attacking those of us trying to educate the world on the rising tide of the Eurasian super alliance. Sponsored by the Bush-Barbara Foundation, through subliminal methods, they plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of innocent lurkers who come here to learn about Chinese advancements and Russian conquests. Praising the work of Trump, appealing to patriotism and other nonsensical behavior is their MO.
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I don't completely agree with your characterization. There are members suggesting servicemen are guilty of egregious sin and such while proclaiming to be Orthodox themselves... which is not the experience I've had in The Church as I've enumerated many times. Go check Octopors posts.
Werent you the same person attributing "rag head" comments to me which I never said? Maybe though doth protest too much?
Whom are you suggesting is a 5th columnist subversive?
There has to be a certain level of pragmatist reality in here to keep folks grounded or it's just one layer of Internet points after the other...
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Re read my comment sir.
Your comment:
Elaborate or I don't really have much to comment on from my post.
Enough. This derail has gone on long enough. Make a new topic to debate the merits of the military.
Get2choppaa's original point was that he has no love lost for the Iran because they have tried to kill him and other American military men. Let him keep his opinion and move on.
A better retort than saying, "You're doing the work of Satan," which is silly since militaries have been used since time immemorial (it's not the soldier's fault if militaries are misused), would be to state that your job as a soldier is to risk being killed, so you shouldn't hold a grudge against Iran. Can't say no one warned you that the army is dangerous.
Get2choppaa's original point was that he has no love lost for the Iran because they have tried to kill him and other American military men. Let him keep his opinion and move on.
A better retort than saying, "You're doing the work of Satan," which is silly since militaries have been used since time immemorial (it's not the soldier's fault if militaries are misused), would be to state that your job as a soldier is to risk being killed, so you shouldn't hold a grudge against Iran. Can't say no one warned you that the army is dangerous.
With the $2-4 Billion USD that his family took with him when they fled Iran - he could've ran a corporation/business, raise an army, or run a self-improvement grift but no, for 40 years he had chosen to rot himself between Maryland and LA while waiting to get installed.
I can envision the future with this guy. The 1st Work from Home Shah!
Why didn't his CIA handler manage his career? or do anything to improve his standing aside from being a royal slacker?
We're not just smearing him randomly with baseless accusations - these are actual qualities/incidents that are well documented and frankly, he would not be able to have the skills and experience to command a royal presence given this...history and work ethics.
In fact, the Pahlavi family was placed into power via regime change themselves - it is the classic regime change story that most would compare to when their homeland gets disrupted by the CIA...to say it is his family's duty given this abomination is saying something. Happy to engage further if I see interest...
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The Daily Nationalist: Everything Has Changed - DN 062625
Talk radio for the Nationalist community.
This is a nuclear tier cope I am afraid, pun intended. Juggling with manipulated and cherrypicked numbers for maximum alarmism and gloating is all fine and dandy until the big boys speak. The Tel Aviv stock market, Israel's main economic benchmark and motor, is booming and outperforming the SP500 by quite a margin. Economic numbers in all other sectors ranging from GDP growth, export stats and more are through the roof as well. Summary: consecutive stock market ATHs mean the markets think you're full of it.
Also worthwhile to remember that the Chinese recently signed a multi billion USD deal to expand their Port of Haifa Belt and Road tied leasedeal. If the Chinese, whose every move you religiously defend elsewhere on the board, reach this conclusion then surely there is truth to it, now try to stay coherent juggling narratives. The Changs are mercantile in nature and their business related risk assessment is informed and considerate. In short, the Chinese have trust in Israel's political stability which underpins the success of the Haifa investment. Which in turn means the 'Israel is economically collapsing' copenarrative is just that, a copenarrative.
This tells me that "the markets" are very ((tribal)) and patriotic, willing to pump up that local market by throwing some small change towards their brethren at the risk of taking a small hit for the tribe, something many ((fund managers)) would not hesitate to do, especially if they are playing with house (goy) money.
You're comparing the S&P 500 with the Tel Aviv Stock exchange, here is some perspective about their relative size:
Tel Aviv SE: market cap: $216 Billion.
S&P500 market cap: $52.6 TRILLION.
The Tel Aviv stock exchange represents 0.4% of the S&P500. That is what I meant above by small change.
China is investing in countries that are even more unstable than Israel across the world, They have stakes in literally hundreds of ports all around the world. From Voice Of America:
China's Global Network of Shipping Ports Reveal Beijing’s Strategy
The Chinese government does not have an official platform summarizing the overall data for China’s overseas port projects, but publicly available information shows that Beijing now has a foothold in at least 100 ports in 63 countries
www.voanews.com
As you can see, China even invested in ports in India, practically an adversarial country. Note that this map is not even complete, the Chinese for instance have invested in ports and oil terminals in Iran, South Africa, Croatia, Colombia, Argentina, Morocco or Cuba, none of these countries are shown in red on this map. Almost all coastal countries in Asia, Africa, S. America and even in Europe.
You're right about the Chinese having strong mercantile and pragmatic inclinations. Some of their investments are strategic, and that is a factor in their investment policy. They have leverage over Israel, and by extension over US administrations, not just in investments but for instance through the Adelsons, the largest and most influential donors to Trump. The Adelsons derive 80% of their revenues from their Macau casinos, a stream that can be scrapped anytime by the Chinese.
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