Fr. Josiah Trenham

[Iacobus]

I thought we had a thread on him already but couldn't find one.



He recently posted this enjoyable interview, not much groundbreaking for those of us on CIK perhaps, but interestingly he addresses some of the arguments IIMT has been making about young men and the respective place of spiritual pursuits vs worldly political pursuits for Christians. It might be a decent one to share with friends or family who are more on the 'normie' side of the spectrum.

He also speaks out wonderfully against Zionists and points out that Jews hate Christ.

 

[GoodShepherd]

I enjoy Fr Josiah Trenham, he also has quite a good Instagram page Patristic nectar

 

[Samseau]

I thought we had a thread on him already but couldn't find one.



He recently posted this enjoyable interview, not much groundbreaking for those of us on CIK perhaps, but interestingly he addresses some of the arguments IIMT has been making about young men and the respective place of spiritual pursuits vs worldly political pursuits for Christians. It might be a decent one to share with friends or family who are more on the 'normie' side of the spectrum.

He also speaks out wonderfully against Zionists and points out that Jews hate Christ.

Haven't met him, but I have met some of his choir before and they are wonderful people. Based and loving.

 

[Let God Arise]

 

[Blade Runner]

The irony is the women component of Orthodoxy (at least in the west). At what point, if ever, I wonder, are the outspoken guys of Orthodoxy like Fr. Josiah (who I like btw) going to talk about how feminism is a much bigger problem than something like gays, which he has the cojones to talk about? It's a weird thing to think about. Family formation is far more affected by the lack of femininity and worldly things pursued by modern women than any subterfuge by gays, who of course rarely want anything to do with Orthodoxy.

 

[Samseau]

The irony is the women component of Orthodoxy (at least in the west). At what point, if ever, I wonder, are the outspoken guys of Orthodoxy like Fr. Josiah (who I like btw) going to talk about how feminism is a much bigger problem than something like gays, which he has the cojones to talk about? It's a weird thing to think about. Family formation is far more affected by the lack of femininity and worldly things pursued by modern women than any subterfuge by gays, who of course rarely want anything to do with Orthodoxy.

Isn't the fact he is calling out Prots as feminine an indirect attack on feminism?

BTW the Antiochian Metropolitan of America just called out feminism over the recent deaconess scandal (see the Ortho News).

 

[Blade Runner]

Isn't the fact he is calling out Prots as feminine an indirect attack on feminism?

BTW the Antiochian Metropolitan of America just called out feminism over the recent deaconess scandal (see the Ortho News).

Most people, and certainly most women, aren't going to be putting two and two together like we do. What's more, men should be direct either way for leadership and effect. Calling protestants feminine, or anything else for that matter, doesn't help Orthodox people with family formation. Telling people who are Orthodox, especially the modern women, that they are entranced with other things of the world, might.

 

[Samseau]

Most people, and certainly most women, aren't going to be putting two and two together like we do. What's more, men should be direct either way for leadership and effect. Calling protestants feminine, or anything else for that matter, doesn't help Orthodox people with family formation. Telling people who are Orthodox, especially the modern women, that they are entranced with other things of the world, might.

You may wish for Church leadership to be direct and attack feminism directly - and they do sometimes. My old Priest would regularly do so. They've done so since the 60's at least.

What's the point on beating an dead horse? Women who aren't convinced by now aren't going to be convinced by a new sermon against feminism. Instead, feminism is now mentioned as obviously false in passing, because all the attacks on it have been done and said already.

 

[Blade Runner]

What's the point on beating an dead horse? Women who aren't convinced by now aren't going to be convinced by a new sermon against feminism. Instead, feminism is now mentioned as obviously false in passing, because all the attacks on it have been done and said already

I haven't really seen the horse been hit even once, to be honest. I guess that's why we don't see this the same way.

Either way, the real change will happen when vast population changes occur, and/or the M:F ratio decreases.

 

[Samseau]

I haven't really seen the horse been hit even once, to be honest. I guess that's why we don't see this the same way.

Either way, the real change will happen when vast population changes occur, and/or the M:F ratio decreases.

You must have grown up in the Greek Church. Not a problem in the Antiochian Churches which are full of Priests like Fr. Trenham.

 

[Blade Runner]

You must have grown up in the Greek Church. Not a problem in the Antiochian Churches which are full of Priests like Fr. Trenham.

I think it's more of a regional thing, but some ethnicities are more prone to certain things, both good and bad. I think both the immigrant timing and faithful factor part of the equation have a lot to do with it. Typically, many of the arab groups are better at this, probably because they are smaller in numbers and haven't been around as long. They do well economically, though, so there is still quite a high percentage of princess and less traditional types.

 

[Let God Arise]

 

[Samseau]

Posting a video without any commentary is rather unhelpful and adds almost no value to the forum. How about offering a summary or insights to what you just watched to help others get into the video? Timestamps if you want to be extra Christian.

 

[Let God Arise]

Posting a video without any commentary is rather unhelpful and adds almost no value to the forum. How about offering a summary or insights to what you just watched to help others get into the video? Timestamps if you want to be extra Christian.

Point taken. At the time I posted it I thought it's a short video and wouldn't be painful.

 

[Let God Arise]

I really enjoyed this video and learning about St. Gabriel of Georgia, Fool for Christ. It's a reminder to not tolerate blasphemy of our Lord, even in the face of militant atheism and socialist tyranny, which even today never seems to go away. We are in the midst of another age of horrendous blasphemy with the LGBT/transformer/Zio-whatever insanity. I'll probably be buying the book, myself.



For those interested, here is a film about the life of St. Gabriel:

 

[Let God Arise]

Once again, the Orthodox Church (like every other one) completely misses the core problem about women, their hypergamy, obsession with getting attention, and lack of wifely and motherly values. AND once again, men are put to blame for the bad behavior of women, while women are not held to any level of personal accountability. In this video, it is stated that all women are beautiful and like amazing little flowers, and that men should respect them, period. This is a serious problem and the the Church is totally off mark here. The root cause of the problem needs to be addressed and not just the symptoms.

 

[Narekatsi]

Once again, the Orthodox Church (like every other one) completely misses the core problem about women, their hypergamy, obsession with getting attention, and lack of wifely and motherly values. AND once again, men are put to blame for the bad behavior of women, while women are not held to any level of personal accountability. In this video, it is stated that all women are beautiful and like amazing little flowers, and that men should respect them, period. This is a serious problem and the the Church is totally off mark here. The root cause of the problem needs to be addressed and not just the symptoms.

Hopefully his next video will be titled "Short Guys" where he advises young women to not seek out men strictly based on worldly or physical attributes, or pure hedonism. I think he could use 1 Samuel/1 Kingdoms 16:7 as a base for his reflection:

1 Samuel 16:7

[7] But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.” (ESV)

 

[Samseau]

Once again, the Orthodox Church (like every other one) completely misses the core problem about women, their hypergamy, obsession with getting attention, and lack of wifely and motherly values. AND once again, men are put to blame for the bad behavior of women, while women are not held to any level of personal accountability. In this video, it is stated that all women are beautiful and like amazing little flowers, and that men should respect them, period. This is a serious problem and the the Church is totally off mark here. The root cause of the problem needs to be addressed and not just the symptoms.

Nothing he says is false, but his advice is entirely one-sided against men.

He says,

1. Court with the intention of marriage, not "dating."
2. Respect women.
3. All women are beautiful creations of God.

These are all true, but if every man in the world followed this advice it wouldn't make a lick of a difference regarding the current state of affairs with family and marriage today.

Fact is,

1. Women aren't interested in marriage.
2. Women don't respect men or care very much about men who respect them.
3. Women think they can do whatever they want and still be called beautiful.

I think his video is designed to make women feel good about themselves, but it really serves to inflame women's already massive egos and make it even more difficult in the marriage market.

He should present even-handed advice otherwise it serves no good.

Three obvious rules for women that serve as corollaries to the above:

1. Date with the intent of marriage.
2. Respect men.
3. God creates you with natural beauty, and it is up to you to maintain it. Her body is a holy temple to be preserved, not desecrated.

Women break these 3 rules far more than men do, so harping on men who are already a battered audience seems intellectually dishonest if not outright cowardly. Either that, he's completely out of touch.

It's important to remember that all clergy are just men with flaws. So they may be holy workers of the Lord, and yet they will still make mistakes and err. Personally, I hold nothing against Fr. Trenham and if I ever had the chance I would raise these objections to him in a polite and brotherly manner.

 

[Let God Arise]

Either that, he's completely out of touch.

I think this is the issue, and several commenters noted that. He implies how it is immoral men who cause women to post lustful photos of themselves on IG, when the reality is that girls and women do this to themselves, for cash, attention, and competition with other women. Let's not even get into sites like FanzOnly or others, where women literally wh0re themselves out for a monthly fee and then brag about buying their first house at age 19 or whatever. Women have foregone the traditional reliance on building a life with a man who will provide for them and their children. Instead, they have discovered that they can leapfrog all that and get big cash and prizes without any effort or any man telling them what to do or toiling in an office for years and sitting in commuter traffic.

 

[Blade Runner]

Once again, the Orthodox Church (like every other one) completely misses the core problem about women, their hypergamy, obsession with getting attention, and lack of wifely and motherly values. AND once again, men are put to blame for the bad behavior of women, while women are not held to any level of personal accountability. In this video, it is stated that all women are beautiful and like amazing little flowers, and that men should respect them, period. This is a serious problem and the the Church is totally off mark here. The root cause of the problem needs to be addressed and not just the symptoms.

Yes, recall that I have made several posts in just the last few months questioning where and why the current priests of our Church are so badly missing the ball on this topic, and they end up actually hurting both sexes by getting the analysis wrong. Notice that the issue, since he complains about social media and its use, is that the women are without agency according to his analysis and need to be disallowed from it. How could a woman be comparing herself to others, getting surgeries, and worry about things in life, if she didn't have access to her porn, err, I mean smartphone.

I highly encourage you all here to post this as a comment on the page for that video. We can't get through to them with the necessary firmness, or do I say force, in real life, due to social restrictions and even hierarchial ones, perhaps. Quite frankly, their ignorance on this issue needs to be displayed to all. I suggested previously that this was a boomer and older phenomenon in America specifically, and now it's without a doubt that they are crystallized in their thinking. That is, they don't want to believe that women in orthodox parishes are seeking attention and inviting bad boys. But what's the reality, who is the gatekeeper? Women. How could you blame men for women's promiscuity if they are the "allower"? You can't. If you can't trust men, where are the parents to make the match? Also something they can't speak around or a point they can justify with their (frankly) retard analysis.

Hopefully his next video will be titled "Short Guys" where he advises young women to not seek out men strictly based on worldly or physical attributes, or pure hedonism. I think he could use 1 Samuel/1 Kingdoms 16:7 as a base for his reflection:

Exactly. When 80% of guys aren't even having sex, how could men be at fault, by the way?

These are all true, but if every man in the world followed this advice it wouldn't make a lick of a difference regarding the current state of affairs with family and marriage today.

Please post on his site or youtube comment section.

Women break these 3 rules far more than men do, so harping on men who are already battered audience seems intellectually dishonest if not outright cowardly. Either that, he's completely out of touch.

It's important to remember that all clergy are just men with flaws. So they may be holy workers of the Lord, and yet they will still make mistakes and err. Personally, I hold nothing against Fr. Trenham and if I ever had the chance I would raise these objections to him in a polite and brotherly manner.

You fill out the point I make above that 80% of dudes are considered losers and don't get laid, so are "men" the problem? Hardly.

I think this is the issue,

I am now convinced my analysis on this issue is 100% accurate. And I'm not happy to say this.