Elon Musk Thread





I don't suspect this is going to play out the way Elon and Vivek thought.

Vance is not stupid. He knows his career in politics is tied to the working white constituents from Ohio.

Regardless of his personal attraction to women and or culture originating from India or whatever... He can't be supporting H1Bs and maintain his base.

I suspect Trump will remain quiet and let Vance do the messaging on this for a while so he doesn't have to publicly rebuke Elon Musk or Vivek, which he will be forced to do eventually as the Bannon War Room Posse is fanatical and will not stop until they win and scalps are collected.



Because musk and Vivek chose this issue NOW they are going to get ALL the spotlight on all the issues as Poso points out.

Meanwhile Vance remains on message per MAGA base.




I saw a meme that said if there's one thing guaranteed to keep Indian men out of the country it's Indian women.

Apparently Nimiratta Nikki Haley ain't having no H1B talk. She's trying to claw back some support after she got embarrassed by Vivek.

Politics makes strange bed fellows.

 
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The Indian government loves H-1B visas for the same reason the Mexican government loves open borders: a large percentage of the wage difference between American and foreign workers gets sent back to those countries in the form of remittances. The governments make more money by shipping their labor abroad than they do by employing them because of the huge wage differences between countries.

If the program really allowed us to steal all their best and brightest and most motivated workers—the kinds of people on whom prosperous civilizations are built—do you really think those countries would so fervently support it? Of course not.
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A lot of these tech guys are temperately liberal/liberterian in mindset. They might not like not political correctness but they have a lot of personality traits that liberals have such as being high in openness to experience and cosmopolitan in their outlook. If society was socially conservative in the same way the 90s and the Dubya Bush era they would be cozying up the left right now. As of now I do still think it's a positive to have guys like Musk around but he needs to be steered in the right direction. It's good stuff like this is being hashed out now before Trump actually takes office and starts changing things around.
 
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My friend @JoshuaSteinman is dropping bombshells about H-1B visas, and I’ve got a story to add.

tl;dr – It’s a cultural problem.

I spent years in India, working directly for one of the country’s wealthiest individuals. He recruited me for my computer skills to lead some of the most ambitious, technically challenging projects ever attempted.

We broke world records and unlocked trillions in wealth. My boss? He now lives in a skyscraper in Mumbai.

Toward the end of the project, he told me his best engineers were leaving for Silicon Valley, lured by unbelievable salaries. So, on his recommendation, I packed up my family and moved to California.

Here’s where it gets weird: I was (at least for short periods of rime) chief of that massive project, with ultimate responsibility. But guys several rungs below me - men way less qualified for any job - were getting H-1B visas and landing incredible salaries in tech.

I got turned down for every tech job I applied for.

Looking back, here’s why:
1.I told the truth.
The foreign visa applicants? Many claimed to work in different departments or roles to fit the narrative. I admitted I worked on oil & gas projects. That’s considered “dirty” and “irrelevant” in tech.
2.My school wasn’t on “the list.”
I graduated from @MaritimeCollege—what @stevenujifusa calls “the Harvard of Maritime.” Highest attrition rate in the country. 185 credits. Classes like spherical geometry. But it’s a state school in The Bronx.

Tech doesn’t care. They rely on lists of “approved” “Ivy Plus” schools, as @bhorowitz admits in The Hard Thing About Hard Things.

But there’s more to it. It’s a cultural problem.

American applicants are at a disadvantage because we’re too easy to vet.
•Work for an Indian oil company? Don’t mention it on your resume.
•Work for a Chinese communist spy agency? Just leave it out.
•Wrong degree? Ask the school to reword your transcript or reframe it as a minor.

As an American, it’s incredibly difficult to lie. HR WILL call my references and confirms every detail of my background.

But for foreign applicants? That’s a lot harder to verify, so they get a pass.

And beneath it all? “Tech culture.”

Read any book about the industry, and you’ll find a near-religious obsession with maintaining “culture.” It’s a startup mantra: hard work, positivity, willingness to take risks.

But the dirty secret? “Tech culture” also harbors disdain for:
•“Dirty” industries like oil & gas.
•Christian values or Republican politics.
•Anything less than an Ivy League education.

This isn’t just about H-1Bs. It’s about arrogance baked into an industry that weeds out Americans for not fitting their mold.

I’m not surprised that zero of Josh’s friends from the Trump administration got hired in tech, even at the highest levels.

If you’re a foreign conservative? They’ll hire you because it doesn’t code against “tech culture.” (E.g. I have several ultra conservative very religious Hindu friends who don’t have this problem) But if you’re an American who doesn’t fit their narrative? They’ll weed you out.

It’s time to talk about the serious cultural problem in tech—and how it’s harming American workers.

Tech has serious biases. They either need to toss them out and hire the best candidates or figure out how to properly vet foreigners who don’t fit their BS culture.

P.S. I did find a way around this BS. Start a company yourself m. I did and raised over $6M for one company.

How did I do it? I dropped any mention of my religion, politics, oil drilling experience and state school education from my capital raising meetings. Worked like a charm.

As an American it’s literally easier to get million dollar checks than a middle level job at facebook or apple.
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A big shot employment attorney in California called me last night re: H1B visa fraud / trafficking of workers. Here’s what she said:

The market is cornered by visa body shops who apply for ~50% of the visas.

The economics of it: These body shops are headed by former hiring managers from Big Tech companies. They bring people to America, rent apartments for them, and house about 10 together in one apartment.

They put these recipients through a ~4 week bootcamp of basic tech training, fraudulently rewrite their resumes, teach them how to interview.

The body shops land them jobs, primarily at the companies these hiring managers came from, and pay the workers less than half of the money in hand.

Ex. Job is listed as a $200k salary, but the company is contracted with the body shop *not* the H1B worker, and the worker is actually paid closer to $40 an hour.

The body shops pocket most of the money and are making millions by essentially trafficking people.

The abuse and fraud must end!
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Wutang said:
A lot of these tech guys are temperately liberal/liberterian in mindset. They might not like not political correctness but they have a lot of personality traits that liberals have such as being high in openness to experience and cosmopolitan in their outlook. If society was socially conservative in the same way the 90s and the Dubya Bush era they would be cozying up the left right now. As of now I do still think it's a positive to have guys like Musk around but he needs to be steered in the right direction. It's good stuff like this is being hashed out now before Trump actually takes office and starts changing things around.
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Tech Bros pretending to support MAGA...


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Edit II. Vivek's post is full of sh*t. What does "culture" have to do with H1Bs? In the 1990's to early 2000's, I was one of the many STEM American-born workers whose jobs were "outsourced" and/or replaced by foreign workers when American companies went Global. (I worked for a well-known & highly respected American company. Sadly, their "outsourced" products/services have literally turned to sh*t.)


The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”

Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.

That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.
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I don’t know if this is true so take it with a grain of salt, but I have had several truck drivers/owners of trucking companies tell me H1Bs are ruining the industry. Several claimed the government helps H1Bs pay for their trucks, which makes it easier for these people to undercut American drivers/companies.
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The common denominator in all of this is the unfettered greed of these billionaires. The reason they have this kind of capital is precisely because they're unwilling to pay people a decent salary and they can get away with it. There are a lot of hard workers out there, but they're not going to work for piss poor wages that they can't live off of, so I don't blame many for checking out on these job situations.

What if there was a law on the books that CEOs can't make more than double the salary of anyone in their workforce? What if by law all profits had to filter down into the paychecks of employees? This might be a good check and balance against a CEO. Overnight we would completely shut down the Bezos', Musks, Gates, Igers and other CEOs. The entire workforce overall might be more invested in the company as they would actually see what a profit margin means for them -- not for the CEO.
 
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The common denominator in all of this is the unfettered greed of these billionaires. The reason they have this kind of capital is precisely because they're unwilling to pay people a decent salary and they can get away with it. There are a lot of hard workers out there, but they're not going to work for piss poor wages that they can't live off of, so I don't blame many for checking out on these job situations.

What if there was a law on the books that CEOs can't make more than double the salary of anyone in their workforce? What if by law all profits had to filter down into the paychecks of employees?
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Forgive me if this sounds like a lecture but a couple points to explain the mentality of a CEO of a large corporation:

The basic premise is that the money is the shareholders and they have to invest it in things that will generate a greater rate of return or return it to the shareholders in the form of a dividend.

That's what you expect a CEO to do when you give them money as a shareholder.

If that means outsource then so be it. If that means keep jobs here so be it also...

I don't mind them making shitloads of money. I expect them to run the company well. I just don't want them to destroy our American workforce in the Jack Welch model of squeezing every penny.

As long as laws allow for exploitation, the system will do it. So we need to close this H1B loophole.

On the flip side, some companies open up their outsourcing shop in the actual country (India/Brazil ect...) vs importing them all here from a assimilation point of view. I think that's better than the other method.

Neither one is preferable but at least one of those helps the person in their actual country.
 
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eradicator said:
It’s not really a shock. All of these billionaires including musk, Trump, Gates, etc made money by stepping on people when they could.

Trump is notorious for not paying for contract work done on his buildings in nyc, jersey, Florida etc

Why is anyone shocked that Elon wants more panjeets from India?
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It is pretty obvious to see where Vivek & Elon vs Trump stands on the immigrant worker vs American worker debate.



From the above mentioned article link:
Trump acknowledged that he was made aware of the issue after seeing a television ad produced by U.S. Tech Workers, a nonprofit that wants to limit visas given to foreign technology workers, that aired in prime time on Fox News.

The group, led by Kevin Lynn, criticized the TVA for furloughing its own workers and replacing them with contractors using foreign workers with H-1B visas. The ad, Lynn said, had an “audience of one,” aiming to persuade Trump to stop the TVA from outsourcing much of its information technology division.
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Have you ever considered that the #1 issue "the right" is sensitive to is immigration?We don't like illegal immigration because of cultural herd immunity and crime issues, we don't like H1B immigration because a lot of the jobs being displaced are either jobs we want or industries we're already in, and they put downward pressure on our wages.
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We think everyone is against illegal immigration, so we don’t need to even discuss that one.

The H1B and O1 visas are also extremely rife with abuse and fraud. That needs to be fixed and plugged immediately. There are many people here that should NOT be here, so we’re also in agreement on that one.

Where we differ from what we believe the core MAGA agenda wants is that we don’t think you should shut down ALL immigration. We hear what we believe the concern is, which is that jobs will be replaced that Americans could have had and given to non-Americans, and it’s a real concern.

We think the tech people are of the mindset “we have bigger fish to fry right now” and the MAGA concern as you said is that you feel the culture is shifting, which the tech people agree with too. That’s why they want to start with illegal immigration and go from there. H1B visas make up 0.3-0.4% of the workforce right now. It’s not the top concern. Illegal immigration is.

That being said, we have no skin in this game. We’re outside observers, Americans, like you. This is just what we believe makes sense for this moment. We think there’s no reason for infighting right now.
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Warning: Language.

 
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Can confirm it actually happened to me at the beginning of my professional STEM career. However - and thankfully - my co-worker/mentor -- a highly skilled engineer with 30+ years experience and lots of patents under his name -- advised me NOT to train the Pajeets who were about to replace me anyway. So I followed his advice.


FALSE @GrantCardone!

American workers are literally having to train their H-1B replacements before getting their pink slips. It’s strictly about cheap labor.

The United States came close to the top in the latest international educational assessment.

Our computer science graduates outperform graduates from India and China.
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eradicator said:
Type in “McKenzie Scott Bezos wedding photos 1993” she had long hair, wasn’t fat, I mean few women look great after 10, 20 or 30 years of marriage
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I googled it. I could not find the photo. But yes you are agreeing with my point, which was that she probably looked okay when Jeff married her and as with 90% of women she degraded dramatically in just 10 years. Hence why it is so important to marry a young woman.
 
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