Elon Musk Thread

@Unending Powerhouse Match

This is problematic in other arenas even though it does seem to solve the problem the bottom-feeders milking the American immigration system. I'll explain below based on my own experiences.

@Samseau

Interesting analysis, however we need to dig deeper. Read whenever you have time.

Although the H1B system is criticized for its temporary nature and dependence on employer sponsorship the impact is somewhat contained. Since it is a temporary visa workers are often subject to job changes and layoffs which adds a layer of instability (and the anemic welfare system then lets them roost on the streets). However the displacement effect is mostly sector-specific impacting fields like tech and engineering driven by companies seeking to cut labor costs.

The other thing to consider is the "no work visa limitation." Unlike the H1B, which is temporary and requires a sponsor, the stapled green card would allow the foreign worker to stay indefinitely and shift jobs as they please (existing first-time green cards beyond the probationary period are 10-year minimum upon receipt). This makes them permanent members of the labor pool.

In the proposed green-card stapling program the transition to permanent residency with no job ties would significantly widen the displacement effect. Foreign nationals can legally remain in the U.S. labor market indefinitely competing for jobs with native-born citizens without any expiration on their work permits. This would increase the labor force of foreign workers in high-skill industries like STEM exacerbating wage suppression and reducing opportunities for U.S. citizens, particularly in fields already affected by global competition. The proposal does nothing to guarantee that native-born workers, especially the White American majority, would be prioritized in the job market.

It's true that tuition fees at elite U.S. universities are high, the proposal still favors the wealthy. It creates an exclusive system where only the elite foreign nationals who can afford these tuition costs will gain access to the green card stapling pathway. This dynamic does little to restrict immigration and instead reinforces the status quo of wealth-based access to U.S. immigration. Can Whites benefit from this? Yes and no.

For native-born Americans, particularly those in the working-class or without the means to attend expensive universities, this policy does not address the critical issue of economic opportunity. It fails to provide a meaningful pathway for domestic workers to be trained or equipped to compete in these high-skill sectors, leaving wealthy foreign nationals with better opportunities while native-born White Americans are displaced, economically at first, and as a subservient underclass to a foreign elite over time. In one generation they would see the replacing of all the Mexican landscapers with White hillbilly landscapers and all the White CEOs and Engineers and Doctors with jeets, arabs, and chinks, effectively coercing Whites into a downward trend where if they refuse to mix or submit to the brown that was given the executive position over them they are castigated yet again in a new class warfare. In the very least the friction will have become more chaffed.

The only behavior that we can confirm in reality for all corporations is that they will always find ways to exploit cheaper labor. While green card stapling might initially sound like a benefit for high-skilled foreign students, the larger picture is one where employers will be able to secure a permanent and unlimited source of cheap, skilled labor. This doesn’t benefit American workers, it benefits global corporations and billionaires like Elon Musk who are more interested in profit maximization than in addressing the real needs of the native US workforce.

The “4D chess” narrative assumes that Trump’s moves are brilliant strategic plays but in reality they align with globalist interests and a shift away from protecting native workers in favor of a more homogenized and globalized labor market. Certainly there is some political manipulation Trump uses against his opponents, but this move, supported by autistic billionaires like Elon, are bad for Americans. Foreign scabs have been parasitizing off of the American education pipeline for decades.

Your claim that this is a "4D chess" strategy to outsmart the system and create an unintended positive effect is a well-intentioned rationalization but in practice it reflects a failure to account for the long-term impact on the native population. This is not some brilliant subversion of immigration policies that would result in a win for the American worker. It is instead a direct accommodation of corporate interests that benefits elites and hurts working-class White Americans in high-skill sectors.

As much as the "4D chess" narrative serves as a comforting justification for those hoping for deeper strategy, the reality is that green card stapling will increase foreign competition in highly competitive job markets and undermine wage levels. (Jeet engineers are willing to subject themselves to slave labor for 70k a year for a position that most Whites are used to doing at 140-150k.) This is not an unintended side effect, it is the logical consequence of a policy that prioritizes the needs of corporations over the welfare of native-born citizens.

I have worked in STEM fields both in America and in Europe and this is what I see on the ground.

The problem with the kinds of foreign students coming to American universities and comprising a sizeable demographic in the STEM fields, the fields that would most likely be targeted by this graduation-to-residency stapling condition, is that they're all subpar drones. The Indians, the Chinese, the Arabs, they all cheat off of one another and their positive contributions to actual scientific innovation are nil. That's why they are scabs, scabs with degrees and honorary titles, but scabs nonetheless. Any one of you who grew up in the 80s in a big city remembers the issues with unions, strikes, affirmative action quotas boiling over and domestic scabs, but this is a many times worse as it brings the competition to the top instead of the bottom, and forces and outsourcing of a large percentage of future leadership roles.

When one racial caste gets into significant demographic power they inevitably push the primacy of their own before the native population, we already see this with the jeets everywhere they go. They may not be not raping and killing everyone (yet) like the mestizo, African, and arabs are, but it's another "f you we're in charge now" mentality that doesn't need to exist in America or Europe that's already swelling.

If anything, yes this green-card stapling program should have every White rushing to study their asses off so that they don't end up under a non in an alleged meritocratic society, however, the efficiency of the foreign scabs in cheating and their own in-group preference are difficult to counter by an atomized race of propagandized souls. Though jews are the worst, every other race out there looks out for their own in ways that 21st century deracinated White man finds inconceivable for them to apply to their own. That is changing though.

You do not fully understand me, I am not saying attaching green cards to university degrees is better than shutting off immigration. I'm saying it's improvement over what we have now, which is unadulterated raping of the American middle class with the H1-B system.

I wish we could just shut off immigration, but, most Americans do not support such an action. At most there is a slim majority in favor of reducing immigration and getting rid of illegals. That's not a perfect solution but it is still more righteous than what we have now.

Also, your analysis is off - Greencards with degrees does not equal a brown migrant wave. Quite the opposite. It would cause a massive brain drain from Europe into America, first and foremost, so it would primarily trigger White immigration into the USA. This is because EU countries give free college, whose graduates can then use to apply into a Masters co-op program in the USA where they work and get their Masters at the same time.

I have a lot of experience in this world, so you'll just have to trust me on this. I do not merely work in politics, I am also indirectly involved with the university process, although not by my choice. I see who comes in and the majority of immigrants through the universities are White and Asian.

So White/Asian immigration isn't really too bad, although many of them are liberal pansies, but, still 1000x better than 3rd world invasion. Many of them drift rightwards and become hardcore rightists, especially the men. However, universities tend to be dominated by female enrollment, which also means that Trump's proposal will bring in young women, which America always needs more of. While these women won't be very good homemakers, and it's far from ideal, it's still better than a sausage fest.

Thus, on a totally practical level, Trump's underlying proposal of attaching degrees with greencards is a good one IF we can shut down the other parts of the immigration system (lottery system, H1-Bs, illegal entry, etc).

I also feel it would be a step in the right direction towards a more restrictive immigration in the future, since once you tie colleges with greencards, the next step is to limit who can apply to US colleges and thereby indirectly control the immigration system.

On a strategic level, Trump's plan makes sense, it is a bit of 4D chess, but it's not the most based and pro-American result we could have. But in clown world, it is a huge improvement over what we have now.

Also, as an aside, the "foreigners at the colleges ruling over the local American Whites" isn't a huge deal if we have big tariffs, since then blue collar work will fetch a high livable wage.
 
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You do not fully understand me, I am not saying attaching green cards to university degrees is better than shutting off immigration. I'm saying it's improvement over what we have now, which is unadulterated raping of the American middle class with the H1-B system.
U.S. immigration agencies need to do more security screening in catching fakers like the below example.


Yuchen (whiny complainant): USCIS just denied my US green card application.

claiming my work lacks impact "beyond that of Apple, Inc." -- even though they acknowledge that I am the Apple CTO.

WTF? I have NEVER worked at Apple!

I got my cs PhD, cofounded an AI startup, and raised $20M. Yet, after waiting an entire year, I'm rejected with this absurd reasoning.

I really hope DOGE, with @elonmusk, @sriramk, and @DavidSacks, can fix the system and accelerate high-skilled immigration.

High-skilled immigrants are America's secret weapon. It should be merit-based -- not left to some USCIS officer carelessly reviewing documents and copy-pasting rejection reasons!

Ezra: America will be open to the best a brightest who will be unquestionably loyal to America.

Do you publicly renounce the CCP? Will you acknowledge the Tiananmen Square massacre?

I noticed you were a recipient of the China National Scholarship an oft used front for CCP espionage against America. So, forgive me for the questions.
 
By super motivated he means he wants people working 70 hours a week, and on holidays.

No thanks, Elon.
“Super motivated” = desperate turd worlders living in squalor, accepting much less pay an American would, living 12 in a one bedroom apartment, working 100 hours per week, fearful of being shipped back to the slums of Bombay if they complain.
 
“Super motivated” = desperate turd worlders living in squalor, accepting much less pay an American would, living 12 in a one bedroom apartment, working 100 hours per week, fearful of being shipped back to the slums of Bombay if they complain.
Agree, Elon if you want to fix America and are truly part of the populist movement, figure out how to clean out the corruption of Corporations and Government without sacrificing innocent American workers. And figure out a strategy to get people motivated to work (i.e the perpetual welfare state, and all the 18-35 year olds content to do nothing and stay with parents.). One issue I have with DOGE is it sounds like they aren’t tackling the true problem (corruption in Government), but want to solve it easy by cutting out all the budget, then lots of employees (mostly will be the contracted private workers) will lose their jobs while the corrupt leadership stays in place. So when administration changes in future the Bureaucracy just gets rebuilt by the corrupt remainders or new BS artists for the personal gain.
 
Elon thinks that the two most important missions in the world right now are making humanity multi-planetary and winning the AI race

My read is that he's genuine about both of those pursuits and is willing to do what's necessary (import lots of Indians who work 80-hour work weeks) to achieve them.

He's right that if the US falls behind in the AI race, the consequences will be dire. It's basically the Manhattan Project 2.0, but maybe with even higher stakes since a powerful ASI could figure out how to destabilize every other country/economy in the world without firing a single shot. If China has a better ASI (artificial superintelligence) than the US, we're in trouble.

OTOH, most companies are not pursuing noble goals and are simply trying to inflate their stock price. Every week there's a new company in the news who is firing 500 US IT employees in favor of cheaper H1-B Indians.

Some on X have proposed measures like enforcing a $100k/year tariff on H1-B workers. If the problem is truly a lack of exceptional talent, companies should happily pay the extra money.

I would frankly be in favor of giving Elon the workforce he needs while shutting down most other H1-B immigration, though I don't think there's really a way to do that.

Not sure what the answer is - it's a tough question.
 
Elon thinks that the two most important missions in the world right now are making humanity multi-planetary and winning the AI race

My read is that he's genuine about both of those pursuits and is willing to do what's necessary (import lots of Indians who work 80-hour work weeks) to achieve them.

He's right that if the US falls behind in the AI race, the consequences will be dire. It's basically the Manhattan Project 2.0, but maybe with even higher stakes since a powerful ASI could figure out how to destabilize every other country/economy in the world without firing a single shot. If China has a better ASI (artificial superintelligence) than the US, we're in trouble.

OTOH, most companies are not pursuing noble goals and are simply trying to inflate their stock price. Every week there's a new company in the news who is firing 500 US IT employees in favor of cheaper H1-B Indians.

Some on X have proposed measures like enforcing a $100k/year tariff on H1-B workers. If the problem is truly a lack of exceptional talent, companies should happily pay the extra money.

I would frankly be in favor of giving Elon the workforce he needs while shutting down most other H1-B immigration, though I don't think there's really a way to do that.

Not sure what the answer is - it's a tough question.

Many of the ‘highly talented’ researchers are actually Chinese spies. So importing them is not only anti-America first, but it’s a danger and treasonous.

Unlike America, China plays the long game and sends potential spies to universities to pursue advanced degrees in STEM. They will wait years, sometimes even 20 or 30 years, before asking / bribing them to spy for the homeland. All those bullshit Confucius institutes on college campuses are just breeding grounds for foreign intelligence.

The US does not need highly skilled workers from overseas, except in very rare cases. The H1B visa should not exist, and educational resources should be dedicated to mentoring and fostering homegrown talent.

I hope this is just testing the waters by Trump and his admin because he’s truly an idiot if he imports more legal immigrants to take jobs.
 
What people seemed to have forgot about this meritocracy these cockroaches are talking about is the fact that it already exists, for browns.

Everything is literally set up for upward mobility of any non-white with triple digit IQ. I literally seen blacks get promotions for being black. The whole system is consciously trying to replace whites.

What is this great hurdle that these “people” have in coming to America or getting scholarships? For people to talk about meritocracy as if we have some closed whites-only system is disgusting gaslighting.

Hypothetically a true meritocracy these people are proposing would benefit primarily white men. Elon should be excited about all the Europeans and Russians he’s about to import.

Alas we know why things are the way they are.
 
The biggest problem with the USA in general is reigning in finance. And since finance is the bread and butter of the satanic elites, this will never happen. But as long as financial jobs are vastly over paid, as they are in the west, and engineering jobs vastly underpaid, it doesn't matter how many low IQ "engineers" they import from India... China and Russia will continue to leave us in the dust due to actually paying and rewarding people for going into engineering and not worthless finance.
 






There is a massive misunderstanding about H-1B visas and the type of people coming in on these visas.

These are not elite top 1% type engineers and programmers. They are mostly very mediocre and nothing special.

These people are brought in for cheap labor, not elite talent. There are exceptions, sure. Very few.



Now we’re talking about the top 0.1% of engineering talent. So geniuses basically. I think most Americans could live with that. The O-1 visa types.

But of course this isn’t what kicked this off. The brouhaha was about the decades long effort to keep wages low for normal tech workers - which is well-documented in lawsuits, regulatory enforcement actions, excessive contract provisions, and the nature of H1B workers themselves, tied to their employers in a way that makes them controllable unlike American citizens. The backtracking to say this was all about super geniuses is disingenuous - though welcome.









Americans are sick and tired of feeling like they are in a third-world country every time they go anywhere in public. The people pushing for more immigration—of any kind—do not have to deal with the daily reality of seeing the place you grew up in turn into an unrecognizable third-world shit hole overnight.
 
The Conservative Treehouse makes some great points regarding the issue:

When the Indian-American starts saying Indian culture is more adequate at creating workers for the American tech industry, he loses me completely.

If the Indian culture is the holy grail breeding ground for software engineers, then why isn’t New Delhi replacing Silicon Valley?

Considering that factually the Indian culture is entirely based on a caste system, the argument is even more absurd.

The part the Tech Group do not understand is the core of the American DNA, “Liberty“…

It is only from the position of liberty, intellectualism actualized in freedom form, that the working culture of America, the ingenuity part, can be understood.

If you attempt to quantify Americanism with math and algorithms, the translated outcome always fails.

A few years later, every single Kuwaiti oil field was blown up by Saddam Hussein. Global analysts and think-tanks proclaimed it would take 5 years to cap them all off and restart the Kuwait oil pumping industry. Well, the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s called Texans, who had them all capped and back in working order in 6 months.

We are a nation that knows how to get shit done.

 
I guess the easiest way to predict how Trump will perform is if he kicks this satanic traitor off his team or not. The Trump base is absolutely against this anti-American policy and this satanic grifter who is now censoring people on his "free speech platform" after getting roasted and ratio'ed. So much for the "high IQ" myth, that is now burned as well.
 
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