El Salvador and Nayib Bukele Thread

Nayib is the man, I truly believe he is ordained by God to lead Central America. I speak from experience. I traveled to El Salvador about a year ago to see with my own two eyes if the country really was safe, if it really was cleaned up. And I can say that it indeed is safe. Now don't get me wrong, still dirt roads everywhere and shacks and people living in poverty. But the country was indeed safe. The the government is investing in wealth creating assets, like infrastructure and education. A people must pull themselves out of poverty. No amount of government spending or foreign aid can make a people to rise to prosperity: no, it must come from within. And Nayib is exactly the type of leader to rise up a great nation. By installing the rule of law, then investing in wealth creating assets, he is positioning his nation to lead Central America into the next era.

Mind you, he is also investing in geothermal energy and bitcoin. He is a true believer in decentralized money, fair money, and the rule of law. Is it a coincidence that his nation is name "The Savior"...? I don't think so. I think that in 100 year, El Salvador could very well be the 2nd strongest nation in the western hemisphere, behind only the US.

"When there is no vision, the people perish" is a profound quote from Solomon. And it is indeed true that any great nation has leaders who know justice, who execute it, and who articulate their positions in a way that the common man can comprehend. God bless Nayib Bukele.
 
The internet has been saying this shows he is a dictator, but he will still be running for election. I believe he is expected to win by a huge margin, but as far as I know the elections will be legit.

The mainstream elite's objection to him just goes to show how they intentionally cause and promote the current chaos in society and oppose fixing it.
 
The internet has been saying this shows he is a dictator, but he will still be running for election. I believe he is expected to win by a huge margin, but as far as I know the elections will be legit.

The mainstream elite's objection to him just goes to show how they intentionally cause and promote the current chaos in society and oppose fixing it.

Super legit.

Let's face it, this man doesn't plan to leave office anytime soon if ever. He's a dictator.
 
Super legit.

Let's face it, this man doesn't plan to leave office anytime soon if ever. He's a dictator.
I guess my definition of dictator is different than yours. To me it's ruling without the consent of the governed, but for you it is ruling for a long time, even with the consent of the governed.

If he someday fails to have the consent of the governed, and insists on holding onto power anyway, then I will call him a dictator, but that's not the case currently.
 
Super legit.

Let's face it, this man doesn't plan to leave office anytime soon if ever. He's a dictator.
And who said that any other system of rule is apt for Central American countries? The satanic, zionist West which hates any monarchy?! As if democracy is some one-fits-all solution applicable everywhere. Wrong. No long-term planning and betterment of nation is possible with revolving door of democracy. Now Bukele cleared the gangs, next a leftist lunatic might get elected who will flood the streets back again. No progress is possible in such system. Clean streets of El Salvador have to be kept that way.
 
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Proverbs 28:2: "When a land transgresses, it has many rulers, but with a man of understanding and knowledge, its stability will long continue."

A true statesman of high moral character and possessing true wisdom, will be popularity re-elected by the people over and over again indefinitely, as the scripture says the people rejoice when the righteous rule. Obviously, globo-homo hates this and thus the push for civil turmoil every election cycle "DEmOcraCy is EnDinG ThiS ElEctIonN" blah blah blah....

A good ruler being popularly re-elected is the case in El Salvador, currently. Nayib Bukele is a statesman of unmatched ability (at least within the western hemisphere), is articulate, can explain complex issues in a way that makes sense to the everyday person, and understands how power and politics really work. And the best part it, he is using it all for good.

Praise God that he has sent El Salvador such a mighty and righteous leader. May he and his nation prosper
 
Caudillos are nice until he gets too old and his vision dies with him. See Spain ruled by Franco's enemies after his death.
 
I guess my definition of dictator is different than yours. To me it's ruling without the consent of the governed, but for you it is ruling for a long time, even with the consent of the governed.

If he someday fails to have the consent of the governed, and insists on holding onto power anyway, then I will call him a dictator, but that's not the case currently.

What does it mean to have the consent of the governed? Are you referring to elections?

He just changed the rules so there is a presidential election once every six years.
 
What does it mean to have the consent of the governed? Are you referring to elections?

He just changed the rules so there is a presidential election once every six years.
Ok, I see what you are saying. His current term has been extended by the elected legislative assembly, so he won't have to face his next election for six years. So the question is, was this change made in a legal and constitutional manner by legitimately elected officials?

The legislative assembly made this change. They are elected, and are authorized to make changes like this. So, on that basis he is not a dictator. He has the consent of the governed through their elected representatives.

Furthermore, it seems very clear that even if they did hold an election now, he would win. All things considered, I'd say he has the consent of the governed. Why would you oppose them having their preferred ruler that they are happy with?

Again, if he loses the consent of the governed he will certainly be a dictator, but I can't see any reason to think that is currently the case.
 
Again, if he loses the consent of the governed he will certainly be a dictator, but I can't see any reason to think that is currently the case.

That's because you don't know much about what he has done so far while in office. You don't even have the facts straight. The next election will be held in February 2027. Scheduling the election in two years from now is significant because the opposition party will not be able to gather enough momentum and support to win an election.

He is running the standard Dictator playbook by removing term limits and there is no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt given his record. His record includes: threatening the legislative assembly with the army, harassing journalists (reportedly at least 40 journalists have fled the country), auditing local big businesses who don't agree with him, among other acts.

He has consolidated a lot of power during his time in office and he clearly has no intention on leaving. We can expect him to consolidate even more power in the years to come while also completely neutering the opposition party.
 
That's because you don't know much about what he has done so far while in office. You don't even have the facts straight. The next election will be held in February 2027. Scheduling the election in two years from now is significant because the opposition party will not be able to gather enough momentum and support to win an election.

He is running the standard Dictator playbook by removing term limits and there is no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt given his record. His record includes: threatening the legislative assembly with the army, harassing journalists (reportedly at least 40 journalists have fled the country), auditing local big businesses who don't agree with him, among other acts.

He has consolidated a lot of power during his time in office and he clearly has no intention on leaving. We can expect him to consolidate even more power in the years to come while also completely neutering the opposition party.
I looked it up to see when the next election was, but that source must have been wrong. If the next election is in 18 months, and that's not long enough for the opposition to beat him, then it sounds like he will win the majority of votes. That seems legit to me.

It's true I don't know everything about what he's done. I've mainly heard about how he's locked up the gang members and the result was a peaceful and safe society. That sounds like a good thing to me.

I know that western liberals are highly opposed to locking up the gang members because it violates their rights to commit crimes or something like that. However, I don't agree with this viewpoint. I see these gangs as enemies of the people who deserved to be rounded up the way there were.

I'd like to see obvious wrong doers in the US rounded up this way. I think it is legitimate for government to enforce law and order and achieve a safe civil society.

What has he done that you're so opposed to? Do you feel that the gang members should not be jailed? Is it the thing with Bitcoin? The Bitcoin venture seems to be doing alright, but I know he's been criticized for this.
 
It's by design. That's my point.



I wanted to focus this discussion on whether or not he is a dictator.
He's clearly not, by all criteria that could be used to judge the matter. I admit at some future date he could become one. However, if he abides by future elections he will never have been a dictator.

The fact an election is scheduled in 18 months seems to be giving every chance to the opposition. It's not a snap short notice election as are common in Europe, and it's not set way off in the indefinite future. With 18 months to go, he knows he will be facing an election soon, and his opponents have plenty of time to beat on him. If he can win in 18 months in a fair and free election, then he deserves to hold office until the next election after.

I suppose the one issue is to question whether the elected legislative assembly has the legitimate authority to remove the term limits and extend his current term for 18 more months. I believe they do have this ability, but perhaps that could be disputed. Generally assemblies like this have broad powers to make a decision of this type.
 
He's clearly not, by all criteria that could be used to judge the matter. I admit at some future date he could become one. However, if he abides by future elections he will never have been a dictator.

This is like saying you believe Joe Biden has all of his mental faculties until you see an official diagnosis from a doctor.

Abides by future elections? The opposition doesn't have chance, and its by design. Most dictators run this same playbook. Is Maduro a dictator? Is Putin a dictator?
 
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