Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

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During Trump's first term, a post like this, that is from the right of Trump, would get maybe 500 likes. Now it is over 7,000. The young people are awake and if Trump thinks he can do a rerun of his first term and people will stay quiet, he is very mistaken.

This is exactly what they are counting on. They want people to 'trust the plan' again! Like hypnotized sheep. Trump will throw them a bone to chew on (who cares about trans people anyway...) while the important stuff like WEF reset marches full steam ahead unimpeded. As I've said some time ago, those who bite this scam for the second time will be co-responsible and will have no excuse.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Of course this is what they are counting on. They want people to 'trust the plan' again! Like hypnotized sheep. Trump will throw them a bone to chew on (who cares about trans people anyway...) while the important stuff like WEF reset marches full steam ahead unimpeded. As I've said some time ago, those who bite this scam for the second time will be co-responsible and will have no excuse.

My insurance has almost doubled in the last 5 years. When either my insurance costs get back down to a normal rate, by taking the money Wall Street stole from us OR my pay increases enough to make up for it by limiting immigration, then I will give Trump his props. So far, nothing has changed in my life, so we will see. It is up to him.

 

[homersheineken]

My insurance has almost doubled in the last 5 years. When either my insurance costs get back down to a normal rate, by taking the money Wall Street stole from us OR my pay increases enough to make up for it by limiting immigration, then I will give Trump his props. So far, nothing has changed in my life, so we will see. It is up to him.

LOL

"Until my insurance rates go down, I will never give Trump credit for anything!"

Absurd doom posting hitting max rate.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

LOL

"Until my insurance rates go down, I will never give Trump credit for anything!"

Absurd doom posting hitting max rate.

Expecting real world tangible results is "doom posting" according to Trump fans. Everyone can see where this is going. Asking for things to actually improve is asking too much, we just have to accept things getting worse and then claim "well, it is getting worse at a slower pace" without being able to prove it.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

(((Alinsky))) Rules are truly demonic and Machiavellian, exhibiting all of the dark-triad traits. He really channelled Satan when he came up with those. The Synagogue of Satan never sleeps.

I agree. He dedicates his book to Lucifer. As I've said, a totally evil person.

But I think of his points the one I agree with is to make people play by their own rules.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Expecting real world tangible results is "doom posting" according to Trump fans. Everyone can see where this is going. Asking for things to actually improve is asking too much, we just have to accept things getting worse and then claim "well, it is getting worse at a slower pace" without being able to prove it.

Bro you're an evermoving goal post. This is why it's not only tiresome, but discrediting.

"He's not gonna pardon the J6ers"

Pardons J6ers*

"I won't give Trump any credit until he puts Godzilla in jail!"

Give you a hint. When you show up to an argument.... Zero people will listen to what to say if you're constantly dogging any observable good things and painting all things as negative.

I think I've figured out your personality well...You are like Tony Soprano's Mother.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Bro you're an evermoving goal post. This is why it's not only tiresome, but discrediting.

"He's not gonna pardon the J6ers"

Pardons J6ers*

"I won't give Trump any credit until he puts Godzilla in jail!"

Give you a hint. When you show up to an argument.... Zero people will listen to what to say if you're constantly dogging any observable good things and painting all things as negative.

I think I've figured out your personality well...You are like Tony Soprano's Mother.

I said he would have to pardon them all, surprisingly he did. But not putting those responsible for lying to juries and committing judicial crimes into jail makes it toothless.

But until the working class gets its first break in decades will anything change. And he will not be allowed to do that. So, the decline continues.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I said he would have to pardon them all, surprisingly he did. But not putting those responsible for lying to juries and committing judicial crimes into jail makes it toothless.

But until the working class gets its first break in decades will anything change. And he will not be allowed to do that. So, the decline continues.

This is exactly my point.

How the fuck is he supposed to do both things in the same executive order and pardon in the first day of office.

The dude could literally do everything you want and you'd still say the decline continues because you, like many critics, aren't actually wanting progress or positive change that is accomplishable over time. You want sweeping revolutionary change that is not going to happen overnight and have built Trump as a savior Still.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

This is exactly my point.

How the fuck is he supposed to do both things in the same executive order and pardon in the first day of office.

The dude could literally do everything you want and you'd still say the decline continues because you, like many critics, aren't actually wanting progress or positive change that is accomplishable over time. You want sweeping revolutionary change that is not going to happen overnight and have built Trump as a savior Still.

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If he gets those things done in 4 years, I will be more than happy to give him props. If he can't, it just goes to show we can't vote our way out of this mess and arguing which political party is better is a waste of time.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

If he gets those things done in 4 years, I will be more than happy to give him props. If he can't, it just goes to show we can't vote our way out of this mess and arguing which political party is better is a waste of time.

So here again, positive movement on the H1B issue. Are you going to acknowledge this or no?

Of course it's not enough, but it's the correct trend.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

So here again, positive movement on the H1B issue. Are you going to acknowledge this or no?

Of course it's not enough, but it's the correct trend.

It will be enough when it is a tangible win for the working class. Which means, not only are enough of these invaders removed and no more allowed it, that it is a large enough number to actually raise wages and give other benefits back to workers, like working from home. When this happens, then I will celebrate. Some internet win isn't a win for anyone, except for Trump's PR team.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

It will be enough when it is a tangible win for the working class. Which means, not only are enough of these invaders removed and no more allowed it, that it is a large enough number to actually raise wages and give other benefits back to workers, like working from home. When this happens, then I will celebrate. Some internet win isn't a win for anyone, except for Trump's PR team.

Geee... Let's see. It's Day 2 and borders are getting secured and H1Bs are on notice and being terminated.







Hell even Ann Coulter's getting it again




Sounds like things are occuring which we should all be happy about.

And I disagree that working from home is good for a company or generally good for an employee.

If you're arguing for a flex schedule sure. But if youre implying that this should be the default then this is just typical " I want to extract as much value from the company and produce the bare minimum to not get fired" mentality.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Geee... Let's see. It's Day 2 and borders are getting secured and H1Bs are on notice and being terminated.







Hell even Ann Coulter's getting it again




Sounds like things are occuring which we should all be happy about.

And I disagree that working from home is good for a company or generally good for an employee.

If you're arguing for a flex schedule sure. But if youre implying that this should be the default then this is just typical " I want to extract as much value from the company and produce the bare minimum to not get fired" mentality.

Yes, and when this hits m pocketbook and the pocketbook of working class Americans, then I will celebrate it. It might very well lead to that and it simply might not. If it doesn't, then guys like Nick Fuentes will just continue to grow in popularity.

Working from home depends on the individual, the company, the job requirements, and other smaller factors. For some it is life changing, for others their job simply could never be done remotely.

 

[Johnnyvee]

Have to admit that Elon is doing a pretty good job of running the US right now!

 

[Josephus]

So here again, positive movement on the H1B issue. Are you going to acknowledge this or no?

Of course it's not enough, but it's the correct trend.

I couldn’t find confirmation or the tweet regarding the H1Bs or foreign workers being fired. I did see one of Trump’s EOs stated more vetting on visas which is a good sign. Still concerned about Musk and big tech influence on this issue. We’ll have to see how it pans out.

Miller, Noem, and others are smart enough to use the bureaucracy and paperwork to their advantage. Just make it near impossible to get one and keep asking for pounds of documents. That will pretty much neuter the program.

 

[FrancisK]

I might have to revise my position on the "Trump" presidency. I'm not flip-flopping, but I just made the realization, which was hard to do before right now, that Elon has a much more dominant role than I thought. It's very obvious based on what has happened so far that Elon is doing most of the reasoning, while Trump is more of the figurehead. The snap decisions, the call to get rid of all the useless (Government) employees immediately (just like with the Twitter takeover) and finally with the massive AI-funding! This is Elon thinking and Trump acting, no doubt whatsoever!

I certainly have many disagreements with Elon, but I have a more positive outlook than most on the forum, since I'm more of a science and space exploration buff than most here. It's very ironic that, as long as this dynamic holds, I might have more reason to like Trump 2.0 than most of his defenders here. Expect to see more focus on AI, space, going to Mars etc, and less on traditional values and religion going forward.

Good things are happening but you can't give Trump credit because that would invalidate the unhinged tantrums you've gone on in regards to him. So instead of having humility you are deciding to heap the praise on your fellow tech dork, that is your coping mechanism to keep the narrative in your head from falling apart.

Well....nice to have you back at least.

 

[Get2choppaaa]

Have to admit that Elon is doing a pretty good job of running the US right now!

Have to admit Zelensky is doing a great job running Europe.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I doubt Trump goes after Antifa. If he doesn't, it proves he is a fraud. There is no good reason to not hammer Antifa top to bottom, but it will not be done, because they are organized by the protected class.

 

[Samseau]

Have to admit that Elon is doing a pretty good job of running the US right now!

And why wouldn't Trump get credit for hiring Elon then? And winning over Elon in the first place?

 

[Get2choppaaa]

I doubt Trump goes after Antifa. If he doesn't, it proves he is a fraud. There is no good reason to not hammer Antifa top to bottom, but it will not be done, because they are organized by the protected class.

Haha what?

Of course Antifa should be shut down and considered a terrorist organization.

But again isn't this a responsibility of the local authorities to enforce laws already on the books?

I mean is it any different than local authorities not going after murders?