Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread

The point stands in spite of my nationality and I'm not going to disclose it for you to straw man the base argument. David Wemhoff will make total sense for you.

 
Острог said:
The point stands in spite of my nationality and I'm not going to disclose it for you to straw man the base argument. This will make sense for you.

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I get your point. I'm well aware of your claims and I've got all the EMJ books.

But the fact is that you're approach and views are not that of someone here in America as you're not an American...and certainly not a heritage American.

So criticize all youd like. But now I know you've not got any skin in the game... So it has no weight.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
Makes total sense.
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Yep. Not surprised due to different mindset.

Острог said:
The point stands in spite of my nationality and I'm not going to disclose it for you to straw man the base argument. David Wemhoff will make total sense for you.
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No need. I already know your nationality is anyway.

As for your hero David Wemhoff, he seems to support the Deep State's lawfare and political persecution .

Edit. Oooof... 🤦‍♂️

The United Nations Is Necessary for Peace​

The just belligerent is one who meets all the necessary elements which constitute the “just war theory” and that includes a declaration of war by a legitimate authority; having a just and grave cause proportional to the evils brought about; undertaken only after all means of peaceful resolution have been exhausted without success; have serious chances of success; and be conducted with right intention.

Considering the above, we can determine Russia to be the unjust belligerent. While Putin may be the appropriate authority for the declaration of war, he has neither a just cause nor a grave cause to justify the horrors he has visited on Ukraine, and the harm he has caused to the community of nations. Destroying Ukraine or stripping it of sovereignty as Putin indicates is his goals, do not serve as just causes. Putin’s invasion, not supported under international law including the UN Charter as Professor Schmitt concluded, is an unjust cause. Putin failed to exhaust all peaceful means, and as Professor Schmitt wrote and the United Nations General Assembly noted, if the Minsk II accords failed, Putin’s choice was to go back to making the accords work. He also had available the International Court of Justice which allows that disputes between countries be heard and resolved. Putin, as leader of Russia, one of the permanent members of the Security Council, had an even graver obligation to make sure war did not break out. The Russian military’s failures and the spirited, innovative defense by Ukraine show that Russia cannot meet its objective especially as news is circulating of the impending collapse of the Russian economy due to the strains of the war. Eppstein put forth the concept that the combatant must take into account the international common good which means considering the toll of suffering brought to others. Here, again, Putin must fail because of the heavy suffering he is inflicting on various peoples given the continuing wars he has waged since 1999 in a desire to restore the Russian Empire of sorts. Ukraine is just one phase, and Ukraine just one victim. Finally, Putin must fail when it comes to right intention. He is motivated for the greater glory of Russia at the expense of other countries and the common good of the international community. Putin is an unjust belligerent.
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Johnnyvee said:
Haven't posted for a long time, and I don't plan to start again right now, but I feel it's right to clarify a few things regarding Trump and the future outlook. I wrote in many posts a year back or so that Trump would first of all win the election, (not hard to predict that...) followed by a phase of initial optimism, and eventually things would start to fall apart and end badly with a likely swing back to a more radical left Government. It's hard to predict the future of course, but it seems likely it will pan out that way. It's not blackpilling, but just an observation of how humans usually work.

I don't blame just Trump, but the use of pardons and executive orders are a slippery slope to tyranny! What happened to the division of power? We shouldn't cheer this on, even when it seems to be going our way. If you have some perspective you will realize that those same tools can, and in all likelihood will be used against us when the pendulum swings back again, which has been my major concern all along. The harder Trump goes at it, the harder it will come back and hit us in the face. It's just a matter of time...
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This is the same lame, limp-wristed thought process that conservatives who haven’t conserved anything have held since at least the end of the Second World War. When they find themselves in a position of power, they refuse to exercise it to their advantage and to the detriment of their enemies on this fanciful premise that they have to limit their own power because if their adversaries were to gain this power, they would abuse it. “When the pendulum swings the other way” is always their deluded, self-defeating refrain.

Except that whenever your enemy gains the power you have ceded to him, because you’ve refused to use it to your benefit and consequently left a vacuum for him to fill, he always builds more power for himself and abuses it anyway. Has the fear of losing an election stopped your enemy from building a police state and stripping you of your rights at every opportunity he gets? He moves the ball down the field to his goal while you just stand there with it, always on the defensive and afraid to run, lest there be a turnover. And yet time expires and you turn it over anyway, never gaining ground, but always losing it whilst being chased by someone bolder and more determined.

A righteous leader that won’t use the power he’s given to enforce righteousness (which involves punishing the enemies of righteousness) will have that power rightfully stripped away from him. This is why a country that, just a few generations ago, could have an overwhelming traditional, patriotic, right-wing majority and lose it all in a few short decades to a small group of well-organized, filthy Jew communists. Because the useless leaders in that government refused to use their power to crush their enemies, while their enemies were given inches but took miles. Because the leadership allowed their enemies to wield the weapons of “free speech” and “freedom of assembly,” while the enemies were quick to strip their adversaries of those very same things as soon as they were able.

Your enemies are going to use whatever means are at their disposal to stomp you out and get rid of you, fighting for every inch and never giving it up once gained, regardless of whether you fight back or not. Maybe they just want it more?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a brief window of opportunity to run with that ball and score. Use it or lose it. When your enemy has built a weapon to destroy you, and you come into possession of it, you don’t destroy the weapon; you destroy your enemy with it.
 
The Penitent Man said:
This is the same lame, limp-wristed thought process that conservatives who haven’t conserved anything have held since at least the end of the Second World War. When they find themselves in a position of power, they refuse to exercise it to their advantage and to the detriment of their enemies on this fanciful premise that they have to limit their own power because if their adversaries were to gain this power, they would abuse it. “When the pendulum swings the other way” is always their deluded, self-defeating refrain.

Except that whenever your enemy gains the power you have ceded to him, because you’ve refused to use it to your benefit and consequently left a vacuum for him to fill, he always builds more power for himself and abuses it anyway. Has the fear of losing an election stopped your enemy from building a police state and stripping you of your rights at every opportunity he gets? He moves the ball down the field to his goal while you just stand there with it, always on the defensive and afraid to run, lest there be a turnover. And yet time expires and you turn it over anyway, never gaining ground, but always losing it whilst being chased by someone bolder and more determined.

A righteous leader that won’t use the power he’s given to enforce righteousness (which involves punishing the enemies of righteousness) will have that power rightfully stripped away from him. This is why a country that, just a few generations ago, could have an overwhelming traditional, patriotic, right-wing majority and lose it all in a few short decades to a small group of well-organized, filthy Jew communists. Because the useless leaders in that government refused to use their power to crush their enemies, while their enemies were given inches but took miles. Because the leadership allowed their enemies to wield the weapons of “free speech” and “freedom of assembly,” while the enemies were quick to strip their adversaries of those very same things as soon as they were able.

Your enemies are going to use whatever means are at their disposal to stomp you out and get rid of you, fighting for every inch and never giving it up once gained, regardless of whether you fight back or not. Maybe they just want it more?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a brief window of opportunity to run with that ball and score. Use it or lose it. When your enemy has built a weapon to destroy you, and you come into possession of it, you don’t destroy the weapon; you destroy your enemy with it.
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He is also not an American.

I agree we have tried to play fair for far too long while they bent and broke every rule without consequence, time for a different approach.
 
The Penitent Man said:
This is the same lame, limp-wristed thought process that conservatives who haven’t conserved anything have held since at least the end of the Second World War. When they find themselves in a position of power, they refuse to exercise it to their advantage and to the detriment of their enemies on this fanciful premise that they have to limit their own power because if their adversaries were to gain this power, they would abuse it. “When the pendulum swings the other way” is always their deluded, self-defeating refrain.

Except that whenever your enemy gains the power you have ceded to him, because you’ve refused to use it to your benefit and consequently left a vacuum for him to fill, he always builds more power for himself and abuses it anyway. Has the fear of losing an election stopped your enemy from building a police state and stripping you of your rights at every opportunity he gets? He moves the ball down the field to his goal while you just stand there with it, always on the defensive and afraid to run, lest there be a turnover. And yet time expires and you turn it over anyway, never gaining ground, but always losing it whilst being chased by someone bolder and more determined.

A righteous leader that won’t use the power he’s given to enforce righteousness (which involves punishing the enemies of righteousness) will have that power rightfully stripped away from him. This is why a country that, just a few generations ago, could have an overwhelming traditional, patriotic, right-wing majority and lose it all in a few short decades to a small group of well-organized, filthy Jew communists. Because the useless leaders in that government refused to use their power to crush their enemies, while their enemies were given inches but took miles. Because the leadership allowed their enemies to wield the weapons of “free speech” and “freedom of assembly,” while the enemies were quick to strip their adversaries of those very same things as soon as they were able.

Your enemies are going to use whatever means are at their disposal to stomp you out and get rid of you, fighting for every inch and never giving it up once gained, regardless of whether you fight back or not. Maybe they just want it more?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a brief window of opportunity to run with that ball and score. Use it or lose it. When your enemy has built a weapon to destroy you, and you come into possession of it, you don’t destroy the weapon; you destroy your enemy with it.
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This is post of the year! It is exactly why conservatives lose while watching the left violate every societal norm in modern history.
 
The Penitent Man said:
This is the same lame, limp-wristed thought process that conservatives who haven’t conserved anything have held since at least the end of the Second World War. When they find themselves in a position of power, they refuse to exercise it to their advantage and to the detriment of their enemies on this fanciful premise that they have to limit their own power because if their adversaries were to gain this power, they would abuse it. “When the pendulum swings the other way” is always their deluded, self-defeating refrain.

Except that whenever your enemy gains the power you have ceded to him, because you’ve refused to use it to your benefit and consequently left a vacuum for him to fill, he always builds more power for himself and abuses it anyway. Has the fear of losing an election stopped your enemy from building a police state and stripping you of your rights at every opportunity he gets? He moves the ball down the field to his goal while you just stand there with it, always on the defensive and afraid to run, lest there be a turnover. And yet time expires and you turn it over anyway, never gaining ground, but always losing it whilst being chased by someone bolder and more determined.

A righteous leader that won’t use the power he’s given to enforce righteousness (which involves punishing the enemies of righteousness) will have that power rightfully stripped away from him. This is why a country that, just a few generations ago, could have an overwhelming traditional, patriotic, right-wing majority and lose it all in a few short decades to a small group of well-organized, filthy Jew communists. Because the useless leaders in that government refused to use their power to crush their enemies, while their enemies were given inches but took miles. Because the leadership allowed their enemies to wield the weapons of “free speech” and “freedom of assembly,” while the enemies were quick to strip their adversaries of those very same things as soon as they were able.

Your enemies are going to use whatever means are at their disposal to stomp you out and get rid of you, fighting for every inch and never giving it up once gained, regardless of whether you fight back or not. Maybe they just want it more?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a brief window of opportunity to run with that ball and score. Use it or lose it. When your enemy has built a weapon to destroy you, and you come into possession of it, you don’t destroy the weapon; you destroy your enemy with it.
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Alinsky Rules for radicals is their playbook. While he was a disgusting atheist and the mentor to the Clintons...his tools are effective. What your referencing is rule number 4 in bold.

The Rules
"Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

"Never go outside the experience of your people."

"Whenever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy."

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

"A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."

"Keep the pressure on."

"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

"The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."

"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."

"The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
 
Samseau said:
(((Wemhoff)))?
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You mean ((())) like (((Trump)))?

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Face it, you have nothing to debunk the man's argument. Both Jay and EMJ have no problem referencing his material. Are they jews too? Or maybe you're the jew, trying to sell us on the fake, jewish messiah Trump.

Oh, and for a nice reminder:

 
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Alinsky actually dedicated his Rules for Radicals to the original rebel, Satan. He taught Marxists how to sow chaos in a Capitalist order. In return, the way to tear down a Marxist society is to sow chaos and overthrow their order. It's tit for tat. What conservatives should do is read his book and apply the same tactics to the leftist order.

The EO's are a good start but without legislation to make them stick they'll be tossed out the next time a Democrat worms his way into the office.
 
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GodfatherPartTwo said:
Alinsky actually dedicated his Rules for Radicals to the original rebel, Satan. He taught Marxists how to sow chaos in a Capitalist order. In return, the way to tear down a Marxist society is to sow chaos and overthrow their order. It's tit for tat. What conservatives should do is read his book and apply the same tactics to the leftist order.

The EO's are a good start but without legislation to make them stick they'll be tossed out the next time a Democrat worms his way into the office.
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He needs to fill seats and positions with conservatives. Who carry the same spirit and convictions.

Legislation means nothing. A law only exists if it’s applied. If not it’s just letters.
 
The Penitent Man said:
This is the same lame, limp-wristed thought process that conservatives who haven’t conserved anything have held since at least the end of the Second World War. When they find themselves in a position of power, they refuse to exercise it to their advantage and to the detriment of their enemies on this fanciful premise that they have to limit their own power because if their adversaries were to gain this power, they would abuse it. “When the pendulum swings the other way” is always their deluded, self-defeating refrain.

Except that whenever your enemy gains the power you have ceded to him, because you’ve refused to use it to your benefit and consequently left a vacuum for him to fill, he always builds more power for himself and abuses it anyway. Has the fear of losing an election stopped your enemy from building a police state and stripping you of your rights at every opportunity he gets? He moves the ball down the field to his goal while you just stand there with it, always on the defensive and afraid to run, lest there be a turnover. And yet time expires and you turn it over anyway, never gaining ground, but always losing it whilst being chased by someone bolder and more determined.

A righteous leader that won’t use the power he’s given to enforce righteousness (which involves punishing the enemies of righteousness) will have that power rightfully stripped away from him. This is why a country that, just a few generations ago, could have an overwhelming traditional, patriotic, right-wing majority and lose it all in a few short decades to a small group of well-organized, filthy Jew communists. Because the useless leaders in that government refused to use their power to crush their enemies, while their enemies were given inches but took miles. Because the leadership allowed their enemies to wield the weapons of “free speech” and “freedom of assembly,” while the enemies were quick to strip their adversaries of those very same things as soon as they were able.

Your enemies are going to use whatever means are at their disposal to stomp you out and get rid of you, fighting for every inch and never giving it up once gained, regardless of whether you fight back or not. Maybe they just want it more?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a brief window of opportunity to run with that ball and score. Use it or lose it. When your enemy has built a weapon to destroy you, and you come into possession of it, you don’t destroy the weapon; you destroy your enemy with it.
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I might have to revise my position on the "Trump" presidency. I'm not flip-flopping, but I just made the realization, which was hard to do before right now, that Elon has a much more dominant role than I thought. It's very obvious based on what has happened so far that Elon is doing most of the reasoning, while Trump is more of the figurehead. The snap decisions, the call to get rid of all the useless (Government) employees immediately (just like with the Twitter takeover) and finally with the massive AI-funding! This is Elon thinking and Trump acting, no doubt whatsoever!

I certainly have many disagreements with Elon, but I have a more positive outlook than most on the forum, since I'm more of a science and space exploration buff than most here. It's very ironic that, as long as this dynamic holds, I might have more reason to like Trump 2.0 than most of his defenders here. Expect to see more focus on AI, space, going to Mars etc, and less on traditional values and religion going forward.
 
Johnnyvee said:
I might have to revise my position on the "Trump" presidency. I'm not flip-flopping, but I just made the realization, which was hard to do before right now, that Elon has a much more dominant role than I thought. It's very obvious based on what has happened so far that Elon is doing most of the reasoning, while Trump is more of the figurehead. The snap decisions, the call to get rid of all the useless (Government) employees immediately (just like with the Twitter takeover) and finally with the massive AI-funding! This is Elon thinking and Trump acting, no doubt whatsoever!

I certainly have many disagreements with Elon, but I have a more positive outlook than most on the forum, since I'm more of a science and space exploration buff than most here. It's very ironic that, as long as this dynamic holds, I might have more reason to like Trump 2.0 than most of his defenders here. Expect to see more focus on AI, space, going to Mars etc, and less on traditional values and religion going forward.
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Elon is just a puppet like Trump is. The people who really run the country are the same people who ran it when Biden was president and every president going back to creation of the Federal Reserve.

The situation in Ukraine and Israel has our elites scared. They really thought they could replace the toughest/best men on the planet with third world immigrants and still bully the rest of the planet. And they have now found that they can't even hold their own in a war with people making handmade weapons. This has them terrified and they are trying to figure out how to both roll back some of the "wokeness" but still keep the anti-White policies in place.

So, the result is White men can still do the very tough demanding jobs, like Air Traffic control, and military, and engineering of military equipment, but DEI will remain/come back for all the fun and easy jobs. They can have one last battle in the Middle East, wear China down so that they can replace Xi Jinping's regime with a pro-globalist regime, and then leave the USA a bankrupt husk, like they did England, and move to China and use China as its next host.
 
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