Who does this? People throw this charge around yet literally no one does it. Just imaginary nonsense from the TDS folks
Donald Trump: Criticism & Debate Thread
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Who does this? People throw this charge around yet literally no one does it. Just imaginary nonsense from the TDS folks
Thank you for proving my point.
Zero examples again, the best you can do is find some random on twitter or something... I'm talking about people here, on this board, who do what you claim. Or ordinary people in the real world even, not internet trolls.
The syllogism must have gone over my head.
If you want to start lying and accusing others of things that are not true, go ahead, I am a patient man, but do remember, I am not tolerant.
There is no large voice on the right who has not enjoyed or at least seen Trumps victory as preferable, even Fuentes was pleased and I suspect more went on in his meeting with Trump and Kanye than we know.
If you will start lying and accusing others, I will cease holding back my paranoia, and start making assumptions.
The only purpose of this behaviour would be either to attack others out of frustration, or to deliberately sow division and discontent. The latter is the act of a leftist infiltrator, not a good person.
See that you don't do the lefts job for them.
This is a false dichotomy. Catholic and Orthodox teaching both affirm that individual moral agency extends into all spheres of life, including political decisions. The quotes are self-evident, and there is no shortage of them pertaining to this moral conundrum.
St. Basil the Great: “He who allows oppression shares in the sin of the oppressor.” This applies to political systems that perpetuate evil. By endorsing them through “compromise,” we risk complicity in their sin.
Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1778): “Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act.”
Politics is not exempt from this judgment. Supporting a lesser evil remains an evil act if it perpetuates injustice or opposes God’s law.
This is a misreading of Matthew 5:39, where Christ teaches us to avoid personal vengeance, not to passively accept systemic evil.
James 4:7: “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” We are called to resist evil in all its forms, including political systems that oppose God’s law. Passive acceptance of evil is contrary to the Gospel.
St. John Chrysostom: “It is not only permissible but necessary to resist evil that threatens the souls of others. To do otherwise is to partake in their destruction.”
Christ’s teaching in Matthew 22:21 “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s” is not an endorsement of all earthly governance. It is a call to discern what belongs to God versus what belongs to human systems.
Paying taxes is an involuntary obligation imposed by the state and does not equate to endorsing its actions. Voting, however, is a voluntary act that signifies moral approval of a candidate or system.
Yes I do agree with you here. We cannot be sinless but through prayer and the sacraments and a strong commitment to God's laws we can keep the presence of evil away from our personal thoughts and actions and intentions.
Choosing the lesser of two evils perpetuates a cycle of moral compromise that normalizes sin.
St. Maximus the Confessor: “To choose evil, even the lesser, is to align oneself with sin. The path of the Christian is to reject evil altogether, no matter the cost.”
Expediency is a rejection of the Christian call to holiness. Matthew 5:48: “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” The Christian duty is not to compromise but to witness against evil, working to replace corrupt systems with those rooted in God’s law.
The goal is not utopia but faithful witness. St. John of Kronstadt: “Christians are not called to make the world perfect but to make it better through their example, actions, and resistance to sin.”
Augustine’s City of God acknowledges the imperfection of earthly governance but does not endorse perpetual compromise with evil. Instead, he calls for Christians to strive for the highest good within their societies: “Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies?”
Augustine does not advocate choosing “lesser evils” but working to align earthly systems with divine justice whenever possible.
Regarding expediency directly, St. Nicholas of Serbia wrote: “The goal of a Christian society is not expediency but the alignment of its laws and governance with the law of God.”
To choose expediency over righteousness is to abandon the transformative mission of Christianity in the world. Expediency may be the default for fallen human systems, but it is not the standard for Christians. Our call is to reject evil, witness to the truth, and work toward governance that reflects God’s law, even if it means abstaining from participation in corrupt systems.
Yes, Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36), but Christians are called to act as “salt of the earth” (Matthew 5:13) to preserve goodness and resist corruption. Orthodox saints such as St. Mark of Ephesus resisted political compromises that endangered the entire faith, showing that Christians must strive for righteousness even in imperfect circumstances.
St. Augustine’s City of God does not endorse the notion of “choosing the lesser of evils.” Instead, it emphasizes that earthly kingdoms, even at their best, are imperfect shadows of God’s Kingdom. Augustine calls Christians to prioritize the eternal City of God over the temporal City of Man: “The two cities were created by two kinds of love: the earthly city by love of self, even to the contempt of God; the heavenly city by love of God, even to the contempt of self.” (City of God, Book XIV, Chapter 28). Choosing the “lesser evil” perpetuates the City of Man by normalizing moral compromise and aligning the Christian conscience with systems contrary to God’s justice.
Yes it is correct that politics involves a battle between good and evil, but you misrepresent the Christian response. We are called to act as witnesses to truth and righteousness, not to perpetuate cycles of moral compromise because its pragmatic. St. Maximus the Confessor warns against this kind of pragmatism: “Compromise with evil, no matter how small, corrupts the soul and blinds it to the greater good.”
By repeatedly choosing the lesser of evils we normalize evil in our societies. Over time, the “lesser evil” becomes the new standard, and the moral horizon shifts further away from God’s law. This is mentioned in Proverbs 14:12: “There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.”
Instead of choosing the lesser evil we should work to build systems and structures that reflect God’s law. This includes abstaining from participation in corrupt systems when no righteous option exists.
St. John Chrysostom: “The greatest kindness one can show to a city is not to tolerate its vices but to root them out.”
By rejecting the lesser evil doctrine, we refuse to allow Satan’s dominion over the world to dictate our choices. Instead, we align our actions with Christ, who overcame evil not through compromise but through steadfast righteousness.
Keeping this relevant to Donald Trump and the Republicans, supporting the “lesser evil” does not eliminate evil; it institutionalizes it under a different guise. The Republican Party has mastered the art of pandering to Christian conservatives while advancing the same ultimate goals of spiritual and demographic replacement.
St. Basil the Great: “A small evil tolerated opens the door to greater ones. He who seeks Heaven must walk steadfastly in the way of Christ, not the crooked paths of expediency.”
Republican leaders never even acknowledge White Americans as a legitimate demographic with cultural and spiritual concerns, except to scold them as “supremacists” for resisting these changes. Supporting Republicans who perpetuate the same long-term harms as Democrats, albeit more slowly, enacts the systemic erosion of Christian values.
The modern Republican version of Christianity has its roots severed from its historical and theological foundation. Spawned from Theodor Herzl’s zionist vision, it has been hijacked into a tool for serving the modern state of israel rather than Jesus Christ. We all know this here. These so-called Christians worship the political interests of jews over the Gospel, ignoring the entire history of Christianity before the zionist state. This blasphemous distortion reduces faith to agitprop, creating soldiers for israeli wars rather than disciples of Christ. True Christianity must reject this severed-root servitude and return to the fullness of its faith rooted in Christ and the Church,not in the political machinations of modern zionism. Your lesser-evil choice would kill all of us the world over before even thinking of abandoning its zionist overlord.
Your dismissive tone does a disservice to the richness of this discussion. Matters of theology and conscience require thoughtful engagement, not reductive jabs. The time has long passed the necessity for Christians to abandon this system that perpetuates their replacement and destruction. Instead of voting for the lesser evil, and encouraging others to do the same, we must work to create an alternative grounded in Christian values, resisting both parties’ agendas.
I’m not advocating for utopia but for something far more grounded. A return to Christian leadership in Christian lands, guided by biblical principles, not the compromises of those who pander to agendas that erode faith and heritage. It’s not about creating perfection but restoring order where leaders serve God first, not the demands of jews, shabbos manipulators, LGBT ideologues, or the heathen dark hordes. The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this world, but our lands and leaders should still reflect its values. Prior to the second half of the 20th century, we still had that. We can have a better deal than this jewish serfdom we currently suffer under, but in the realities of the 21st century, it will not be won by voting and complicity.