Daily Interactions With Women

Steady Hands said:
I've read comments here online along the lines of "putting too much effort into attracting women like doing cold approaches is try hard and reeks of desperation".

I fully agree.

Indeed, this is what REAL alphas do:



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This is a very good insight. It's clear that you are a highly intelligent young man. Great post 👏

A few thoughts follow.

Part 1: on Having Standards.

There are many ways we can hold certain beliefs, whether they be realistic or not, that support our self esteem and identity. Holding fast to standards and demands of others can reflect many different internal states and attitudes.

In some cases, having high standards can be code for things like: I'm not that motivated to put in the effort needed to get higher quality women, or, I'm unwilling to confront my 'mate value' and have difficulty accepting anything less than my fantasised ideal, or, I've grown accustomed to pørn, social media, and artificial images of women to the point where a real, attainable woman doesn't excite me.

Alternatively, having high standards are commonly associated with more positive meanings, such as: a genuine sense of self worth and integrity, drawing a line in the sand about what behaviour will or won't be tolerated, committing to not getting involved with others without a certain level of reciprocation, or, a reasonable decision that the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Above all, I'm not here to judge others on their decisions. It's up to the individual to start recognising and challenging these beliefs, then reinforcing them or distancing and replacing them when needed.

Part 2: on The Limits of Knowledge

@Seng Hock - this comment is for your consideration in particular.

The quoted post above reflects something I've noticed about the general theme of your posts on women and relationships -- they seem to be heavy on theory and light on practice. I write seem because you may in fact be taking action behind the scenes without posting about it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

My reply to you in this thread around a year ago similarly aimed to highlight the inherent limitations relating to 'not taking action with women until XYZ happens first'.

There is a significant problem with gaining more information, theories, and understanding. This can offer the illusion of progress and wisdom; yet robs us of the opportunity to actually move forward through action and behavioural change. And achieving meaningful goals in life requires consistency of actions.

A person can perfectly understand a hundred concepts of relationship management and confidently assert things like "this is how I would handle the situation", but this is not earned wisdom. In fact, many theories and ideals quickly crumble when faced with real world implementation.
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So, now you have this useful, piercing insight about your own thoughts, beliefs, and behaviours...

-> What are you doing to DO about it?
-> What are your next steps in terms of action?

Whatever you choose, I wish you all the best ✌️
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That is correct. The key part that many who are successful, or have qualities other women might like, is advertising or marketing yourself in general. The idea that you have a good product but if no one knows about it, it's not going to sell, is true. In fact, the modern world is far more about marketing than it is purely good things or products that are the "best" overall. And we're talking about the ultimate consumers, women. It is an important point to make.
 
Blade Runner said:
That is correct. The key part that many who are successful, or have qualities other women might like, is advertising or marketing yourself in general. The idea that you have a good product but if no one knows about it, it's not going to sell, is true. In fact, the modern world is far more about marketing than it is purely good things or products that are the "best" overall. And we're talking about the ultimate consumers, women. It is an important point to make.
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True but the problem in the west is even worse than that.

It’s so rare to even meet a young marriageable woman in the west that actually has the qualities men like us want and wants to get married and is single.

How do you even find these unicorns in the west to market yourself to them?

The answer is as we both know to leave the west and move to greener pastures. Once you are in the right country then marketing yourself in the right way actually starts to make a difference because there are actually viable women to market yourself to.
 
Australia Sucks said:
How do you even find these unicorns in the west to market yourself to them?
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Yes, that's what I've said, it's essentially a lotto. Even finding a woman who is young and thus suitable to be a wife, is a lotto because of the attempt at shaming and/or social taboo of age gaps.

Beyond that, we know what the details are in the west, and to be quite honest, I don't see the post covid 18-23 year olds as any better; they are in fact worse than the younger women were at the time of covid. The details are that the structure of normal or average/above average socioeconomic and white girls still will just follow what's been going on. They are backstopped by parents and grandparents that have money. They still go to college. They still want to have fun and live in big cities. They still are chubby or fat, on average.

It's over until some real societal and monetary/discretionary spending realities occur. And that doesn't look like it'll even begin to take shape until 2027-28.
 
Steady Hands said:
-> What are you doing to DO about it?
-> What are your next steps in terms of action?
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Ah yes, last year I stated that I would refrain from posting in threads about game, relationships, or courtship until I had made enough progress in self-improvement. I needed to make sure my “looks, money, and status”—as well as my physical, intellectual, and spiritual life—were in order before even thinking about relationships.

At the time, I felt I was too weak to find a woman seriously. I understand that delaying or being inactive has its downsides, but trying to dive into game while being unprepared felt like setting myself up for failure. A man with low sexual market value (SMV) will often face constant rejection regardless of his effort, and approaching countless women without a solid foundation can lead only to frustration and misery. There needs to be a baseline—a minimum SMV, like a C tier—to even begin. If someone’s SMV is in the D or E range, it’s unlikely to bring anything but disappointment.

Back then, I was broke and my future felt uncertain. I took on any job that could bring in money but had no stable position. But now, by the grace of God, just last month I was granted a license from the Ministry of Finance to practice accounting and establish my own firm. I also earned an ASEAN CPA certification, which means I can work anywhere in Southeast Asia. Still, I’ve chosen to stay in my home country to build and run our own firm.

Because of this, my self-esteem has grown significantly—starting a firm isn’t something many people can do. This achievement is why I’ve returned to posting here: it’s a sign that I’ve broken my earlier vow not to participate until I’d put my life in order. I believe I’ve raised my status to at least a minimum acceptable level—a “C grade,” so to speak. Financially, I’m no longer broke, and things are gradually improving. Now, I just need to focus on the “looks” component, which I believe can be developed alongside my progress in the real world.​
 
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Preaching to the choir, even though I technically approve. There's different kinds of men with different mentalities. Not everyone wants a housewife. We're not all Mr. Nice Guy who want to pay all the bills, there's all kinds of degenerates among men as well. Some men actually want a whore, some men want help with the bills and don't care about "tradition".

This is when feminists would be technically correct. Even the perfect women is going to go against you unless you want to claim that you're perfect and you do things the optimal way. So I can see why "a good woman just does what you want" fantasy upsets feminists. Not to say women aren't retarded and make retarded choices by themselves, but that's part of the package of partnering up.

I don't know if I'm a super beta but I can't forgive this particular broad for all her cheerleading for Tate. There's something very distasteful for me when a woman is a lapdog for some "alpha" who's not claiming her. At least get claimed first, stupid whore.
 
Things are looking good for myself and the woman I met at church. Some will notice that I haven't been online as much lately 😅 I think its likely we will pursue marriage, official announcement pending.

I am continually shocked at how low my expectations have been set by my experience with Western women. She actually obeys me, I ask her to do something once and she remembers and does it each time. Most Western women would rather die than do something for a man.
 
Lawrence87 said:
Things are looking good for myself and the woman I met at church. Some will notice that I haven't been online as much lately 😅 I think its likely we will pursue marriage, official announcement pending.

I am continually shocked at how low my expectations have been set by my experience with Western women. She actually obeys me, I ask her to do something once and she remembers and does it each time. Most Western women would rather die than do something for a man.
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That's great, man. I wish you the best and hopefully it leads to a happy marriage. It's good to hear that you found a good woman without having to travel to some other country as a lot of us have done.

Still, if something goes awry at some point and you don't end up getting married to her, just remember that she's not the mother of your children and there are a lot of other women out there. That's the thing I wish someone had told me more than anything else back when I was single: if a woman isn't the mother of your children, she's not all that important and she's completely replaceable.
 
Nice to see those white pills drop on this forum. Would love to see more of this on the forum but unfortunate thing is that as in your situation, if things are going well on the women front for an user then he's going to be spending more time offline with her rather then posting while the guys who are single and are pretty unhappy out it will have a lot more time to lament their situation online. Hopefully we can get more updates if things keep proceeding well, it would be nice encouragement for the guys on here seeking relationships.
 
The ultimate troll, lol, Hydester.

Things are changing. The problem is how long that has taken and how long the transition here is going to take (even just 2-4 years is big when age gaps and dishonesty ingrained in most people is at all time highs). For example, even if we see tragic "die off" in the next 10 years, there will still be tons of boomers and older left, tons of cat ladies, and not any real change in the social age gap taboo. That matters greatly in a country where few young or attractive (read: not fat, older) women are present, and most of the 20s in the west are majorly stunted by tech/phones/social media.
 
Lawrence87 said:
Things are looking good for myself and the woman I met at church. Some will notice that I haven't been online as much lately 😅 I think its likely we will pursue marriage, official announcement pending.

I am continually shocked at how low my expectations have been set by my experience with Western women. She actually obeys me, I ask her to do something once and she remembers and does it each time. Most Western women would rather die than do something for a man.
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May I ask which country the woman is from?
 
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