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Russia moves to outlaw ‘the international LGBT movement’ as extremist organisation​

The Russian Justice Ministry has filed a motion with the country’s Supreme Court to categorise the “international LGBT movement” an extremist organisation, it emerged on Friday.

The statement, published on the ministry’s website, says that the activities of the “LGBT movement” were found to “incite social and religious discord” without specifying how. Nor was the term “international LGBT movement” defined.



 
Putin in the SMO tried his best to spare both Russian soldiers lives and civilians lives. The % of civilians killed in this war is under 5%. Compare with Gaza where it's well over 95%...

Putin's speeches especially in the last couple of years called out the evils of neoliberalism and the satanic, antichristian overtones of modern western society. He's still a very pragmatic politician who wants to get along with his domestic Jewish community, but he's anything but subservient to Israel when it comes to foreign policy, having personally scuttled their plan to dismantle the Syrian state, and also lately speaking up on Gaza:

 


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The Supreme Court of Russia has recognized the LGBT movement as extremist and has banned its activities within the country.

The decision to completely ban the LGBT movement in Russia comes into effect immediately.

Russia Labels LGBT Community ‘Extremist’ in Prelude to Sweeping Crackdown​

Russia’s Supreme Court on Thursday designated the so-called “international LGBT public movement” as a banned “extremist” organization, setting the stage for a sweeping crackdown on LGBT rights not seen in the country since the Soviet era.

The move is the latest episode in the sharp conservative turn by Russia’s leadership that has accelerated and permeated nearly every segment of society since the invasion of Ukraine.

By banning a vaguely defined movement, which does not formally exist, activists warn Russia will effectively criminalize any form of LGBT rights advocacy, forcing groups providing support to LGBT Russians underground.

“There are still some LGBT rights activists here in Russia. But they might well be the last ones,” Alexei Sergeyev, a St. Petersburg-based civil rights and LGBT activist, told The Moscow Times.

“As I always told myself, ‘I can handle the fines, but if there is a threat of imprisonment, I will leave’.”

Individuals face a maximum of six years in prison if convicted of involvement in an “extremist” organization.
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Conservative officials rushed to praise the change.

Lawmaker Pyotr Tolstoy said "this is a historic event, because our country has encroached on the most 'sacred' thing that exists in the liberal world."

In his latest homophobic diatribe on social media, Tolstoy called "LGBT" a "well-organized project to undermine traditional societies from within."

The Orthodox Church — headed by Putin ally Patriarch Kirill — welcomed the move.

"It's a form of moral self-defense of society," said Vakhtang Kipshidze, an official for the Moscow Patriarchate.

Well-known propagandist and pro-Kremlin TV host Vladimir Solovyov’s daughter, Yekaterina Solovyova, criticized the Supreme Court’s decision.

“International public movement LGBT has been declared extremist in Russia, meanwhile HAMAS gets official feasts at the Kremlin…. Basic human rights?” Solovyova wrote in an Instagram post published by the Ostorozhno Novosti news outlet.

In Muslim-majority Chechnya — ruled by Ramzan Kadyrov, who claims the region is exclusively heterosexual — officials also praised the move.

"Russia has shown once again that neither the collective West nor the United States will deprive us of the most important thing of all: a religious and national identity," said minister Akhmed Dudaev.

Miroshnikova said the federal ban will encourage harsher treatment of LGBT people in the North Caucasus.

“In general, the influence of federal lawmaking on the North Caucasus is strong,” she said. “They encourage violence by signifying that LGBT persons are undesirable and by refusing to investigate cases of homophobic violence. And these practices are spreading from, say, Chechnya. The latest decision will only accelerate this.”

The Russian government’s anti-LGBT actions are part of a broader ideology contrasting "traditional" Russian values with “Western” ones such as LGBT rights.

And while Russian officials claim to be “at war with the collective West” in Ukraine, any domestic social groups holding “Western” views must be fought as well.

Sergeyev, the St. Petersburg-based activist, linked the “extremist” designation to the upcoming presidential election in March, which will see the Kremlin work to rally the country around Putin as he runs for a fifth term in office.

“I believe this [the declaration of LGBT as extremists] is the government flexing its muscles before the elections. They’ll certainly put a lot of media weight on this to make sure the conservative electorate is watching the struggle for ‘traditional values.’ And LGBT people will be erased from the public sphere,” said Sergeyev.

“In the end,” Sergeyev warned, “the Russian prison environment is a particularly dangerous place for LGBT people.”
 
Raid on gay bars and saunas in Moscow today!

"...Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported..."

 
Raid on gay bars and saunas in Moscow today!

"...Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported..."

To be fair, drugs and homosexuality go hand in hand.
 
As does AIDS, hepatitis and other VDs, which have been spread into Russia in the 1990s during the neoliberal dystopia imposed on the country by the West and subversive locals.
 
I have occasionally seen some discussion of Russian demographics, not just in the context of having low birth rates (like the rest of the developed world) but also in the context of Islamification. Some have been afraid that Russia is facing Islamification. Well, I saw this on a Telegram channel, so take that however you like, but here is their assessment:

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There’s a myth of high Muslim TFR in Russia & particularly in the Kavkaz area. As this map shows, Chechnya (population only~1.5M) is the only one with high TFR+the only one above replacement. Even Ingushetia+Dagestan are far below. Biggest Muslims groups (Tatar+Bashkirs) much lower. While Chechen, Ingush, Avar etc fertility is higher than for ethnic Russians these groups have very small populations and (as mentioned above) only Chechens above replacement. Slavic Orthodox Christians unlikely to ever be below 75% of the Russian population.
 
I have occasionally seen some discussion of Russian demographics, not just in the context of having low birth rates (like the rest of the developed world) but also in the context of Islamification. Some have been afraid that Russia is facing Islamification. Well, I saw this on a Telegram channel, so take that however you like, but here is their assessment:

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There’s a myth of high Muslim TFR in Russia & particularly in the Kavkaz area. As this map shows, Chechnya (population only~1.5M) is the only one with high TFR+the only one above replacement. Even Ingushetia+Dagestan are far below. Biggest Muslims groups (Tatar+Bashkirs) much lower. While Chechen, Ingush, Avar etc fertility is higher than for ethnic Russians these groups have very small populations and (as mentioned above) only Chechens above replacement. Slavic Orthodox Christians unlikely to ever be below 75% of the Russian population.
Would be interesting to see reliable stats here about rates of death due to health problem related to poor diet, alcoholism, drug abuse , cancer or interpersonal violence (particularly when it comes to men under the age of 60) within the ethnic Russian vs ethnic minority population...
 
Would be interesting to see reliable stats here about rates of death due to health problem related to poor diet, alcoholism, drug abuse , cancer or interpersonal violence (particularly when it comes to men under the age of 60) within the ethnic Russian vs ethnic minority population...
Yes, we would need to know the death rates to get a more full picture. I don't have any information on that.
 
Would be interesting to see reliable stats here about rates of death due to health problem related to poor diet, alcoholism, drug abuse , cancer or interpersonal violence (particularly when it comes to men under the age of 60) within the ethnic Russian vs ethnic minority population...

Quick search shows that Dagestan has life expectancies about 5 years higher than the Russian average.



Good local diets, rural/small town living, trad lifestyle with low alcoholism.

Life expectancies are lower than the national avg in Siberia, not surprisingly.
 
Quick search shows that Dagestan has life expectancies about 5 years higher than the Russian average.



Good local diets, rural/small town living, trad lifestyle with low alcoholism.

Life expectancies are lower than the national avg in Siberia, not surprisingly.
Very interesting because Dagestan is one of the poorest regions. Which goes to show the link between income and life expectancy isn't always so clear cut.

My guess is the lack of alcohol makes the biggest difference. Russians need to learn to drink in moderation like the French or Greeks who live long lives. Also, I don't really see Dagestanis using dangerous drugs, which can't be said about the rest of Russia. And sharing needles, along with sodomy and fornication, leads to HIV which further reduces the life expectancy. Since the Dagestanis are very religious, they're probably also happier than your average secular Russian and that keeps them living longer and they're less likely to commit suicide.
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I have occasionally seen some discussion of Russian demographics, not just in the context of having low birth rates (like the rest of the developed world) but also in the context of Islamification. Some have been afraid that Russia is facing Islamification. Well, I saw this on a Telegram channel, so take that however you like, but here is their assessment:

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There’s a myth of high Muslim TFR in Russia & particularly in the Kavkaz area. As this map shows, Chechnya (population only~1.5M) is the only one with high TFR+the only one above replacement. Even Ingushetia+Dagestan are far below. Biggest Muslims groups (Tatar+Bashkirs) much lower. While Chechen, Ingush, Avar etc fertility is higher than for ethnic Russians these groups have very small populations and (as mentioned above) only Chechens above replacement. Slavic Orthodox Christians unlikely to ever be below 75% of the Russian population.


Church leader calls for national conversation on immigration
Patriarch Kirill said the current situation with immigration in Russia poses a serious challenge to the country’s culture and traditions


The head of the Russian Orthodox Church has expressed his concerns over the country’s influx of migrants, saying “the whole Russian world ‘is under threat’” until the country’s immigration policy is revised.

Patriarch Kirill said ethnic enclaves are emerging and actively developing in the largest cities of Russia, creating breeding grounds for corruption, organized crime and illegal immigration.

During the World Russian People's Council, the patriarch said experience had proved that it was impossible to “come to terms with national diasporas and clans, who are ready not only to stand up for [one of their own] in order to save him from fair punishment under the law, but also to take revenge in every possible way on everyone who dares to appeal to law enforcement agencies when reporting a crime.”

The Patriarch suggested using the experience of other countries facing similar challenges in solving immigration problems. He has been critical of the idea of “embracing the consequences” of unregulated and unlimited arrivals, saying that many simply regard them as the side-effects of “the import of foreign labor” while admitting that it would be difficult for the Russian economy to cope with all the challenges it faces without the additions to the workforce.

He said that the unregulated mass influx of migrants who don’t speak Russian, lack proper understanding of the country’s history and culture, traditions and customs, and are therefore unable and often unwilling to integrate into Russian society end up altering the looks of Russian cities, leading to the deformation of the legal, cultural and linguistic norms of the country.

The Patriarch has also emphasized that even a Russian passport does not exempt immigrants from the need to respect Russian society and traditions.

Earlier on Tuesday, special representative of the State Duma on migration and citizenship Konstantin Zatulin said Russia needs migrants, including from Central Asia and the Caucasus. According to him, there are two approaches to migration in the country. “The first viewpoint is to close the borders and immediately ban all migration. The second is to actively attract visitors from other countries as a workforce. The Russian government and business share the second approach,” he emphasized. “Let’s understand: we can’t do without them. There are 72 million workers in Russia today. Of them 3 million are official migrants. More than 2 million jobs are still vacant.”
 

Church leader calls for national conversation on immigration
Patriarch Kirill said the current situation with immigration in Russia poses a serious challenge to the country’s culture and traditions


The head of the Russian Orthodox Church has expressed his concerns over the country’s influx of migrants, saying “the whole Russian world ‘is under threat’” until the country’s immigration policy is revised.

Patriarch Kirill said ethnic enclaves are emerging and actively developing in the largest cities of Russia, creating breeding grounds for corruption, organized crime and illegal immigration.

During the World Russian People's Council, the patriarch said experience had proved that it was impossible to “come to terms with national diasporas and clans, who are ready not only to stand up for [one of their own] in order to save him from fair punishment under the law, but also to take revenge in every possible way on everyone who dares to appeal to law enforcement agencies when reporting a crime.”

The Patriarch suggested using the experience of other countries facing similar challenges in solving immigration problems. He has been critical of the idea of “embracing the consequences” of unregulated and unlimited arrivals, saying that many simply regard them as the side-effects of “the import of foreign labor” while admitting that it would be difficult for the Russian economy to cope with all the challenges it faces without the additions to the workforce.

He said that the unregulated mass influx of migrants who don’t speak Russian, lack proper understanding of the country’s history and culture, traditions and customs, and are therefore unable and often unwilling to integrate into Russian society end up altering the looks of Russian cities, leading to the deformation of the legal, cultural and linguistic norms of the country.

The Patriarch has also emphasized that even a Russian passport does not exempt immigrants from the need to respect Russian society and traditions.

Earlier on Tuesday, special representative of the State Duma on migration and citizenship Konstantin Zatulin said Russia needs migrants, including from Central Asia and the Caucasus. According to him, there are two approaches to migration in the country. “The first viewpoint is to close the borders and immediately ban all migration. The second is to actively attract visitors from other countries as a workforce. The Russian government and business share the second approach,” he emphasized. “Let’s understand: we can’t do without them. There are 72 million workers in Russia today. Of them 3 million are official migrants. More than 2 million jobs are still vacant.”
I wish we had some church leaders here in the US calling attention to it also .....

I'm waiting for the usual suspect haters to come call him a KGB member here ;)
 
In Russia and Ukraine people are going crazy over new Russian mini series, Slovo Patzana/Слово Пацана: Кровь на Асфальте, Man's Word: Blood on the Asphalt (or Boy's Word). The stuff is good, if you can find it in English highly recomend. It's about child gangs of the 80s in Tatarstan in Russia.





 
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I have occasionally seen some discussion of Russian demographics, not just in the context of having low birth rates (like the rest of the developed world) but also in the context of Islamification. Some have been afraid that Russia is facing Islamification. Well, I saw this on a Telegram channel, so take that however you like, but here is their assessment:

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There’s a myth of high Muslim TFR in Russia & particularly in the Kavkaz area. As this map shows, Chechnya (population only~1.5M) is the only one with high TFR+the only one above replacement. Even Ingushetia+Dagestan are far below. Biggest Muslims groups (Tatar+Bashkirs) much lower. While Chechen, Ingush, Avar etc fertility is higher than for ethnic Russians these groups have very small populations and (as mentioned above) only Chechens above replacement. Slavic Orthodox Christians unlikely to ever be below 75% of the Russian population.
It doesn't count all the mixed babies work migrants have in the mainland Russia. Caucasus cultures are non monogamous, their man is supposed to have many lovers and kids. Also these maps are inaccurate, urban TFR in Chechnya is over 4. These folks, like everyone in Caucasus, have lots of kids. And Krasnodar and Stavropol krai are full of them, so they help raise TFR there too :D Part of TFR you see in all kinds of regions is not slavic. In real life there are entire school classes in slavic regions now where all are migrants' kids. Many people who are Russian on paper are not ethnic slavic Russians, ethnic slavic population is shrinking. I get daily feed of vids in telegram showing school classes in slavic areas where almost no slavs are left and these kids walk around with Tadjikistan flag, etc.

Its not just Caucasus, most migrants come from Central Asia, which got more turkic people than slavs in Russia, Uzbekistan alone got 34M and they are moving in droves.
 
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It doesn't count all the mixed babies work migrants have in the mainland Russia. Caucasus cultures are non monogamous, their man is supposed to have many lovers and kids. Also these maps are inaccurate, urban TFR in Chechnya is over 4. These folks, like everyone in Caucasus, have lots of kids. And Krasnodar and Stavropol krai are full of them, so they help raise TFR there too :D Much of TFR you see in all kinds of regions is not slavic.

I doubt this is true, places like Chechnya will have very low out of wedlock births, and few unmarried women sleeping around. Also, the fertility rate in Chechnya is 2.7.

 
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