Cosmology Debate Thread ("Space Is Fake")

Johnnyvee said:
There's nothing to discuss here! Neither from a scientific/secular nor biblical angle. I say we shut it down before it even starts. Not yet another thread in the flat-earth category.
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Just censor!

Gosh this entire topic reeks of NPC bluepilled garbage.

If you people don’t like it, don’t post. I’m convinced people on this forum are unable to resist stimuli that they feel they can debunk. Australia sucks had a thread where he “banned” people and those banned people couldn’t just not post because if they did they would feel “cucked”.
 
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You obviously take this place for granted, and only exist to undermine the forum. Goodbye
Bro, this place sucks.
I can recommend you a forum where this interesting topic is discussed in a civilized way, no morons there.
Just drop me a line :)
 
Australia Sucks said:
I don’t understand why haters spend so much time and energy posting on this thread. I believe in the traditional globe model and think the thread is pointless so I simply don’t post in the thread. I don’t come in the thread to continually berate people who believe in the silly alternative models.
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I do too. I just wish the forum wouldn’t be so mean spirited to alternate thinkers.
 
The "alternative" think (or truther movement as it was used to be called, questioning 911 etc) went real quick from being skeptical of the establishment to full blown schizophrenia.

Edit; not saying anyone here is a schizoid but the alphabet agencies sure have infiltrated any true "truth seeking" movement.

But of course leave this thread up as different angles on a subject are always good.
 
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Just read something very interesting from Metropolitian Saba, current ArchBishop of America of the Antiochian Church. He was speaking about the significance of Baptism, but also detoured a bit into cosmology which most people have no idea about:


This is what we call the Christianization, or baptism, of the world. It consists of adopting an existing practice and giving it a Christian meaning. Let us take baptism as a second example. Water in ancient civilization was a source of fear and danger. Ancient man did not have the ability to confront floods, torrents, heavy rains and their aftermath, let alone seas and rivers. Water was considered a source of uncontrollable chaos, and was called, in the Old Testament, “chaos.” The god of water was a fearsome god. However, water was also considered a sign of purification and cleanliness, and a tangible proof of the inner purity towards which the repentant person turns. Therefore, it was used in most religions as a symbol of purification and inner cleanliness.
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Water was the symbol of chaos.

So when God created something out of nothing, that nothing was represented by water.

Hence, "waters above and waters below" that flat earthers like to talk about, isn't actually water.

Water was the symbolic image used by the early prophets of the Old Testament to describe the chaos they saw in their visions in the creation of universe.

So it was the "chaos above and the chaos below" that is separated, out of which Earth was created.

This is the problem with modern audiences trying to literally understand a text that is 6000+ years old. What you think they mean isn't even close to what you think they mean.

Find real experts when dealing with scripture, because Ancient texts require expert knowledge. Orthodox hierarchs will always be the best source.
 
Samseau said:
Just read something very interesting from Metropolitian Saba, current ArchBishop of America of the Antiochian Church. He was speaking about the significance of Baptism, but also detoured a bit into cosmology which most people have no idea about:




Water was the symbol of chaos.

So when God created something out of nothing, that nothing was represented by water.

Hence, "waters above and waters below" that flat earthers like to talk about, isn't actually water.

Water was the symbolic image used by the early prophets of the Old Testament to describe the chaos they saw in their visions in the creation of universe.

So it was the "chaos above and the chaos below" that is separated, out of which Earth was created.

This is the problem with modern audiences trying to literally understand a text that is 6000+ years old. What you think they mean isn't even close to what you think they mean.

Find real experts when dealing with scripture, because Ancient texts require expert knowledge. Orthodox hierarchs will always be the best source.
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Its also the case that people come to the Scriptures and read them with modern presuppositions 90% of which the authors of Scripture did not have about the world. And that it points to a different reality. People often think events described are necessarily literal scientific descriptions. Of course that doesn't make it all metaphor either, but when it talks about the pillars of the earth and so forth it doesn't mean that if you look under the earth theres a couple of nice Roman style pillars holding it up.
 
Samseau said:
Just read something very interesting from Metropolitian Saba, current ArchBishop of America of the Antiochian Church. He was speaking about the significance of Baptism, but also detoured a bit into cosmology which most people have no idea about:




Water was the symbol of chaos.

So when God created something out of nothing, that nothing was represented by water.

Hence, "waters above and waters below" that flat earthers like to talk about, isn't actually water.

Water was the symbolic image used by the early prophets of the Old Testament to describe the chaos they saw in their visions in the creation of universe.

So it was the "chaos above and the chaos below" that is separated, out of which Earth was created.

This is the problem with modern audiences trying to literally understand a text that is 6000+ years old. What you think they mean isn't even close to what you think they mean.

Find real experts when dealing with scripture, because Ancient texts require expert knowledge. Orthodox hierarchs will always be the best source.
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Fr. Stephen de Young has really good discussions on this in Lord of Spirits & his Bible study on Genesis
 
Within days the sun will rise for the first time this year on the N. Pole, the polar day will begin.

Flat earthers should ask somebody in the Navy, who's been to the Arctic Circle, what path the sun follows across the sky, and how to explain that the day never ends in, say, June. I knew a Ukrainian guy who served on a Soviet ship and he confirmed. Why would there be constant daylight up there, but not anywhere else. And nighttime on the antipodal side.

Use https://stellarium-web.org/ with the equatorial grid toggled on to trace the sun's path easily.

You would have always heard Land, Ho! from the crow's nest sooner than from the deck, in the bygone days of majestic sailing ships. Never mind it's midnight in Toronto while the noon sun is beating down in Bangkok, which has already been pointed out.
 
Flat earthers cant also explain how on the Equator the sun 'plunges' straight down at a 90 degree angle to the horizon line, and so the twilight is very short as the sun is much lower hidden behind the Earth after say 10 minutes there, than when its setting is watched from somewhere in NY for example, as it 'drops' sideways at an angle. Boy scout stuff.
 
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