I'm not sure which riots you are referring to. If it was the ones in the 90s after the Rodney King beatdown, I can tell you that I lived in LA for a couple of years just before that, and South Central was terrible already at that time.
but the key here is if someone can confirm the Indonesian gov’t stance on this through past records.
. The fact that no Hindu cleansing process known to man requires that nuclear-contaminated waste be buried far out to sea, seems to have escaped media attention. Dumping your nuclear waste in an ocean trench and then blaming it on the Hindu religion is an ingenious idea, in this case based on pure desperation.
I was spooked out by Nukes a month ago as posted on the escalation thread and as I was digging through the rabbit hole, I found a Samson Option conspiracy theorist and he believed that Bali Bombing 2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings) was a Tactical Nuclear Bomb to punish the Australians (being a popular vacation destination for them since the 70s) for being against the Iraq War while creating the public perception of Southeast Asian Muslims being connected to al-Qaeda.
Being that this is an old incident, this obviously stays as unconfirmed but its a nice thought exercise on an application of the Samson Option - and tbh I've spent too much time on this than I should have
There was an old angelfire page that preserved Joe Viallis' (Australian) reporting. Let me parse some of his reporting on why - (NGL, it was difficult to shift through this because the writing was poorly organized).
The biggest lesson for the Indonesian Gov't is to never let foreign investigators do the work for you.
<- Angelfire Page
- The Media had buried this incident initially blaming on C4 however, Viallis believes that the damage was too massive for it to be a mere C4 or TNT that hamas would employ.
- Later on, they would admit that this explosive was an burst above 100 feet above ground and switched their stance to napalms?
- Victims had plutonium flash burns? The angelfire page had a bad quality visual that tries to compare the 2.
- Dozens of bodies were vanished / vaporized in the blast
- During the Balinese ceremony of the incident, the head of the village noted "It was a moving ceremony barely covered by the western media, at which the headman of the village told an Indonesian journalist, “We know that we will never be able to find any parts of their physical bodies, but this ceremony will help their families to live in peace.”
- The angelfire page claims that the Media ignored this.
- There was a massive crater outside the Sari Club. Five feet deep and twenty-two feet in diameter which indicated that the bomb was donated underground rather than above. You would need deliver a bomb via plane to create that same effect.
- The reporting tries to talk about the evolution of Tactical Nuclear Weapons to be more clean (I mention this in the escalation thread) and that the conditions of Bali' Monsoon season would make the radiation detection difficult.
- A local Indonesian news paper began reporting on Vialls' findings - and eventually, key figures in the Indonesian Government have taken that same stance and started investigating themselves
- On Monday 18 November, Indonesian Parliamentary Speaker Amien Rais said he questioned the validity of the police conclusion that "Amrozi" was the main perpetrator of the Bali bombings which claimed more than 187 lives. Rais was supported by Deputy House Speaker A.M. Fatwa, who stated, "`My conscience says that he is not a key actor. I don’t believe that Amrozi has the capability to make all kinds of the preparations for the bombings, like setting off a kind of micro nuclear bomb in Bali."
- The Western Media leveraged "Al-qaeda" to help with the cover up as a reaction to the local Indonesian reporting
- On the morning of Saturday 9th November, just three days after my claims were published in the Indonesian newspaper, Intelligence services in London used the British Home Office as a 'front', and issued a dire warning that “al Qaeda might be planning to attack the west with a dirty radiological weapon”.
- A pasty was used to to incite fear against Southeast Asian Muslims and thus demonised by the Australian and Singaporean Media
- "It was late on Wednesday 15 November, just one day before the special Hindu cleansing ceremony of the Bali bombsite in Kuta Beach, that the local Indonesian police chief thoughtfully paraded "prime suspect" Amrozi in front of the assembled media pack. The fact that Amrozi was clearly disoriented, rambling, as high as a kite on drugs and separated from western journalists by a thick glass wall, was apparently not a problem for our sacred guardians of the truth.
Despite the obvious audio impediments and complete lack of direct access, Australian and Singaporean media outlets were nonetheless able to “accurately” interpret Amrozi’s muffled and garbled mixture of Javanese and Indonesian, to mean that he confessed to killing nearly 300 people at Kuta Beach, with a minivan full of potassium chlorate detergent stolen from Java.
Not only that, but as Amrozi peered hopefully through a thick psychedelic haze to wave cheerfully at the television cameras, we were further asked to believe he claimed to enjoy killing people, wanted to kill some more, and in particular wanted to kill lots and lots of Americans. So thick was the psychedelic fog surrounding him, Amrozi completely forgot that the punishment for “confessing” to such crimes in Indonesia is death by firing squad.
Needless to say, the entire media event was contrived rubbish, but it served the purpose for which it was mounted, i.e. to drive increased levels of Australian hatred against Amrozi, and through him against all Muslims across south east Asia. Australian relatives of the dead at the Hindu ceremony understandably shouted “kill him”, while Australian politicians at home took the opportunity to increase religious and ethnic division with comments including “ugly sneering Indonesian attitudes”, and “these people are vicious and dangerous.”- The evidence was disposed of quickly, but not before Indonesian offices noticed something strange...
- Yesterday it was discreetly announced that the contents of the crater, and other debris from the bombsite would be disposed of far out to sea, as a final step in the "Hindu cleansing process"
Late yesterday the diggers started work, frantically removing structures from Kuta high street before they could be subjected to proper examination by suspicious politicians in Jakarta. The first target of this combined mechanical assault was the building shown in the pictures above with the exposed reinforcing bar, an embarrasing monument perpetually proving the nuclear nature of the blast. Not any more it isn't, with trucks swiftly removing the rubble for a tasteful religious burial far out to sea.- As the Indonesian government begin to notice more, the Mainstream Media buries it further.
- "So the media rushed in where only fools dare to tread, and managed to make a complete cock-up of the entire exercise. Despite the fact that everyone has allegedly already “confessed” to the bombings at Kuta Beach, and despite the media trying desperately to avoid mentioning the pathetic potassium chlorate “detergent bomb”, details did finally emerge. Unfortunately, the Indonesian police cited one formulation for the bomb and the Australian Federal Police cited an entirely different formulation for the bomb, neither of which matched the ingredients written down in suspect Amrozi’s “confession”.
These conflicting statements were made on exactly the same day to different western media interviewers! According to the Australian Government, the AFP has been working “closely with the Indonesian Police” ever since the atrocity on 12 October 2002, when manifestly the Indonesian Police have not been cooperating with the Australian Federal Police at all. "- The Jakarta Post, biggest newspaper in Indonesia, denies that there was anything conventional about the explosive. The angelfire page goes into a rabbit hole that hints this. - at the end of the Angelfire page, they post a timeline of the findings
Who doesn't?
I was spooked out by Nukes a month ago as posted on the escalation thread and as I was digging through the rabbit hole, I found a Samson Option conspiracy theorist and he believed that Bali Bombing 2002 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings) was a Tactical Nuclear Bomb to punish the Australians (being a popular vacation destination for them since the 70s) for being against the Iraq War while creating the public perception of Southeast Asian Muslims being connected to al-Qaeda.
Being that this is an old incident, this obviously stays as unconfirmed but its a interesting thought exercise on an application of the Samson Option - and tbh I've spent too much time on this than I should have
There was an old angelfire page that preserved Joe Viallis' (Australian) reporting. Let me parse some of his reporting on why he believed tactical nuclear weapons were involved - (NGL, it was difficult to shift through this because the writing was poorly organized).
The biggest lesson for the Indonesian Gov't is to never let foreign investigators do the work for you.
- The Media had buried this incident initially blaming on C4 however, Viallis believes that the damage was too massive for it to be a mere C4 or TNT if you compare suicide bombings in the Middle East where you could at least identify body parts within the radius of the blast.
- Later on, the Media would admit that this explosive was an burst above 100 feet above ground and switched their stance to napalms?
- Victims had plutonium flash burns? The angelfire page had a bad quality visual that tries to compare the 2.
- Dozens of bodies were vanished / vaporized in the blast
- During the Balinese ceremony of the incident, the head of the village noted "It was a moving ceremony barely covered by the western media, at which the headman of the village told an Indonesian journalist, “We know that we will never be able to find any parts of their physical bodies, but this ceremony will help their families to live in peace.”
- The angelfire page claims that the Media ignored this.
- There was a massive crater outside the Sari Club. Five feet deep and twenty-two feet in diameter which indicated that the bomb was donated underground rather than above. You would need deliver a bomb via plane to create that same effect.
- The reporting tries to talk about the evolution of Tactical Nuclear Weapons to be more clean (I mention this in the escalation thread) and that the conditions of Bali' Monsoon season would make the radiation detection difficult.
- A local Indonesian news paper began reporting on Vialls' findings - and eventually, key figures in the Indonesian Government have taken that same stance and started investigating themselves
- On Monday 18 November, Indonesian Parliamentary Speaker Amien Rais said he questioned the validity of the police conclusion that "Amrozi" was the main perpetrator of the Bali bombings which claimed more than 187 lives. Rais was supported by Deputy House Speaker A.M. Fatwa, who stated, "`My conscience says that he is not a key actor. I don’t believe that Amrozi has the capability to make all kinds of the preparations for the bombings, like setting off a kind of micro nuclear bomb in Bali."
- The Western Media leveraged "Al-qaeda" to help with the cover up as a reaction to the local Indonesian reporting
- On the morning of Saturday 9th November, just three days after my claims were published in the Indonesian newspaper, Intelligence services in London used the British Home Office as a 'front', and issued a dire warning that “al Qaeda might be planning to attack the west with a dirty radiological weapon”.
- A patsy was used to to incite fear against Southeast Asian Muslims and thus demonised by the Australian and Singaporean Media
- "It was late on Wednesday 15 November, just one day before the special Hindu cleansing ceremony of the Bali bombsite in Kuta Beach, that the local Indonesian police chief thoughtfully paraded "prime suspect" Amrozi in front of the assembled media pack. The fact that Amrozi was clearly disoriented, rambling, as high as a kite on drugs and separated from western journalists by a thick glass wall, was apparently not a problem for our sacred guardians of the truth.
Despite the obvious audio impediments and complete lack of direct access, Australian and Singaporean media outlets were nonetheless able to “accurately” interpret Amrozi’s muffled and garbled mixture of Javanese and Indonesian, to mean that he confessed to killing nearly 300 people at Kuta Beach, with a minivan full of potassium chlorate detergent stolen from Java.
Not only that, but as Amrozi peered hopefully through a thick psychedelic haze to wave cheerfully at the television cameras, we were further asked to believe he claimed to enjoy killing people, wanted to kill some more, and in particular wanted to kill lots and lots of Americans. So thick was the psychedelic fog surrounding him, Amrozi completely forgot that the punishment for “confessing” to such crimes in Indonesia is death by firing squad.
Needless to say, the entire media event was contrived rubbish, but it served the purpose for which it was mounted, i.e. to drive increased levels of Australian hatred against Amrozi, and through him against all Muslims across south east Asia. Australian relatives of the dead at the Hindu ceremony understandably shouted “kill him”, while Australian politicians at home took the opportunity to increase religious and ethnic division with comments including “ugly sneering Indonesian attitudes”, and “these people are vicious and dangerous.”- The evidence was disposed of quickly, but not before Indonesian offices noticed something strange...
- Yesterday it was discreetly announced that the contents of the crater, and other debris from the bombsite would be disposed of far out to sea, as a final step in the "Hindu cleansing process"
Late yesterday the diggers started work, frantically removing structures from Kuta high street before they could be subjected to proper examination by suspicious politicians in Jakarta. The first target of this combined mechanical assault was the building shown in the pictures above with the exposed reinforcing bar, an embarrasing monument perpetually proving the nuclear nature of the blast. Not any more it isn't, with trucks swiftly removing the rubble for a tasteful religious burial far out to sea.- As the Indonesian government begin to notice more, the Mainstream Media buries it further.
- "So the media rushed in where only fools dare to tread, and managed to make a complete cock-up of the entire exercise. Despite the fact that everyone has allegedly already “confessed” to the bombings at Kuta Beach, and despite the media trying desperately to avoid mentioning the pathetic potassium chlorate “detergent bomb”, details did finally emerge. Unfortunately, the Indonesian police cited one formulation for the bomb and the Australian Federal Police cited an entirely different formulation for the bomb, neither of which matched the ingredients written down in suspect Amrozi’s “confession”.
These conflicting statements were made on exactly the same day to different western media interviewers! According to the Australian Government, the AFP has been working “closely with the Indonesian Police” ever since the atrocity on 12 October 2002, when manifestly the Indonesian Police have not been cooperating with the Australian Federal Police at all. "- The Jakarta Post, biggest newspaper in Indonesia, denies that there was anything conventional about the explosive. at the end of the Angelfire page, they post a timeline of the findings from JP
^- Angelfire Page
