Charlie Kirk Thread

I thought 4 Chan grabbed some Troon. Honestly my guess was Troon or a Nat Soc. I didn’t think a anti-fa nut could do it. They usually operate in packs. This kind of stuff is more so Troon and Nazi modus operandi.
What is "troon and Nazi"? The Nazi's were formed to defeat the troon movement in Germany in the 1930's and the same is coming back today again.
 
I was a little surprised that some of the guys here expressed feeling traumatized by seeing a video of the shooting. It's terrible of course, but more for Kirk's family and especially his children. It looked like he died instantly and probably didn't even know what hit him. I'm well aware that far worse is happening to many, many nonfamous people daily in places like Ukraine and Gaza. Seeing a video of it or not seeing it doesn't make much difference to me.

Well because you don't expect to open a video thinking you were seeing one of his classic, harmless debates then his neck being blown apart (expectation vs reality).

If I went into it knowing that I was about to see death (ie going to a horror film), it has a lesser effect.

This comment likely makes you one of the "senders" I noted above. And it's autistic to send out videos like that to friends and family without some sort of disclaimer.
 
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Well because you don't expect to open a video thinking you were seeing one of his classic, harmless debates then his neck being blown apart (expectation vs reality).

If I went into it knowing that I was about to see death (ie going to a horror film), it has a lesser effect.

This comment likely makes you one of the "senders" I noted above. And it's autistic to send out videos like that to friends and family without some sort of disclaimer.
If someone sent you a link suggesting that it was just going to be a typical Charlie Kirk speech you'd be seeing, I agree that that's a bit much.

I still don't get why seeing a video of one guy shot to death traumatized you when this kind of thing and much worse happens daily all over the world, but I'm sorry you felt that way. I suppose seeing it makes a difference to some people in some way I fail to understand.
 

I think the brutality that we all saw this week is truly a turning point that regardless of where the evil is coming from on that spectrum -- transgenderism, Kabbalistic/Satanic, radical left wing, etc. -- it is now being seen as something that needs to be dealt with. Clean house, in essence. A lot of souls are realizing they need to clean their own room, as Jordan Peterson so famously put it. As brutal as Kirk's death is, as awful and terrible as it is for his family, friends, fans, and those of us who knew of him, God can use this to show us what happens when we let evil get a foothold. Not only in our society as a whole, but down to what we allow in our own lives.

Charlie was an "awe shucks" kind of guy -- almost like a Jimmy Stewart persona in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". He even sat down with Gavin Newsom of all people and had a talk with him. There was no hate, it was good humor and genuine political discussion.

Charlie didn't set out to hurt, or maim or kill. The exact opposite, and if it required some harsh truths to come out, then so be it. At least they were words and not stones, or knives, or bullets. We need truth in a time of lies. It's a revolutionary act, as Orwell would say. Charlie is a casualty of the lies -- that men can be women, that we need to bomb Iran, and so on. He was on his own path of figuring out how deep the rot goes -- I wish I could say I was as smart and as aware as he was at the age of 31.

Kudos to Charlie for having the ear of the president and telling him that going after Iran was a bad idea, even against the wishes of his donors and angering them. That takes courage, knowing there might be financial fallout from standing up and doing something about it. Charlie may have saved thousands of American men, and even more Iranians by that lone act of courage. God bless him. God bless the peacemakers.

In Charlie's case, Mr. Smith did go to Washington, and he was murdered for doing so. He may have lost his material life here on earth, but how many souls will be saved because they see what his life stood for now? I hope this is a good turning point for America. May his memory be eternal!
 
If someone sent you a link suggesting that it was just going to be a typical Charlie Kirk speech you'd be seeing, I agree that that's a bit much.

I still don't get why seeing a video of one guy shot to death traumatized you when this kind of thing and much worse happens daily all over the world, but I'm sorry you felt that way. I suppose seeing it makes a difference to some people in some way I fail to understand.
Ok. We get it. You don't get it.

But people ascribe value and symbolism to others and that's why it connects. A household name for everyone here was Charlie Kirk. Thus we connected with him.

I'll give you another example for you to understand since there's a disconnect.

I've ran over many dogs and shot a couple also... But if someone killed one of my dogs, particularly one i have had for a long time I would be very very upset.
 
Ok. We get it. You don't get it.

But people ascribe value and symbolism to others and that's why it connects. A household name for everyone here was Charlie Kirk. Thus we connected with him.

I'll give you another example for you to understand since there's a disconnect.

I've ran over many dogs and shot a couple also... But if someone killed one of my dogs, particularly one i have had for a long time I would be very very upset.
That makes sense. I never followed Kirk and from the little I knew about him, probably didn't agree with him much. Probably best not to get into that for now.
 
If someone sent you a link suggesting that it was just going to be a typical Charlie Kirk speech you'd be seeing, I agree that that's a bit much.

I still don't get why seeing a video of one guy shot to death traumatized you when this kind of thing and much worse happens daily all over the world, but I'm sorry you felt that way. I suppose seeing it makes a difference to some people in some way I fail to understand.
It's not healthy to watch gore videos, imo. I always avoid it when I can. There's nothing tough or masculine about being desensitized to death and human suffering.
 
It's not healthy to watch gore videos, imo. I always avoid it when I can. There's nothing tough or masculine about being desensitized to death and human suffering.
Agree about seeking out that kind of thing. Very bad. For example, I was out of the room when Joe Theisman's career ending injury happened and stayed out of the room because I didn't want to see it, and I've still never seen it. I imagine I could find the video online if I wanted to but why would I.

On the other hand it's hard for me to understand why seeing Kirk shot or just hearing about it makes a difference. It might be just me but it feels like being blissfully unaware of the nature of this world.
 
Agree about seeking out that kind of thing. Very bad. For example, I was out of the room when Joe Theisman's career ending injury happened and stayed out of the room because I didn't want to see it, and I've still never seen it. I imagine I could find the video online if I wanted to but why would I.

On the other hand it's hard for me to understand why seeing Kirk shot or just hearing about it makes a difference. It might be just me but it feels like being blissfully unaware of the nature of this world.
Here again....

Death that connects to someone people know is impactful.

When you drive by a car wreck with a fatality you don't connect mutch, but if someone you knew got killed by a drunk driver you'd absolutely connect.
 
We're living in a time when Post-War Liberalism is being exposed daily for what it is and is on its last legs, while whatever is going to come next is still in its formative stage. The recent violence and the unrest we've seen and will likely continue to see, is the lashing out of the dying order and the birth pangs of the new. As this transition is likely to be a multi-decade, generational ordeal, the setting in which Charlie Kirk was assassinated should not be lost on us for its significance. He was in his element, on a college campus speaking with the youth. It is this cohort, Gen Z/Alpha, along with millennials, who are going to have to do the heavy lifting in the years ahead. While it's unclear how right wing Gen Z truly is, they are the most online generation, and this combined with the fact the the online right wing has been a dominant force, from the redpill/manosphere days to /pol to Trump 2016 to Trump 2024, the potential for a full blown right wing backlash is there.

This shooter assassinated Kirk in an attempt to stop that development, but it will do nothing of the sort. The contradictions of the "post-war consensus" are going to become more and more clear as they manifest themselves in continued economic decline and societal decay, which ultimately are rooted in our turning away from God as a country. And it was there that Kirk stood out from other normie political influencers in these last few years, as a key element of his growth as a commentator was him always proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ.

That such a stand up person who with young children could be killed in that way is jarring. These last couple days every time I've seen him on TV or some clip of him, I'm dumbfounded. I can understand in the abstract a political killing, especially given the age we're in, but him? He had been more comfortable expressing "far right" views in the last year or two, but he was still an above-board Republican with too great an affinity for our small hat friends, working within the confines of the system. Hardly extreme, he was an integral, public facing part of a presidential campaign which won the popular vote. Then there was the killing itself. As others have said, it was JFK-like in style and gruesomeness and whereas the public didn't see the Zapruder film for 12 years, within 2 hours the entire internet had seen the footage of Kirk. It's not a stretch to say that for the younger generations this was a JFK or RFK moment, with a similar loss of innocence attached to it.

Next to the killing itself, the most disturbing aspect of all this has been the torrent of videos and posts from those outright celebrating Kirk's death. The Sam Hyde quote reminding us that these people want us dead and our children raped, while thinking its funny, rings extremely true in this moment. Its shone a light on what we are really dealing with, a Jacobin/Bolshevik/Spanish Republican energy, however soy the exterior packaging is.

For Kirk himself, I gather his faith was real and that he is with the Lord now. We should take comfort in this while keeping his wife, young children and the rest of his family in our prayers. Going forward, I pray that the response to this is driven by justice, mercy and compassion and not vengeance, which belongs to God only. This killer will hopefully face the consequences of his actions through the death penalty, which is justice. Yet I hope that he is made aware that even now he is not beyond Christ's power to save should he repent and put faith in Him. There should be compassion for the killer's family as well. They are about to lose a son and a brother forever.

Politically, the God fearing must rise up and work to root out the evil ideology responsible for what happened to Kirk in whatever position in life we find ourselves in. As for the government, it is ordained by God to promote what is good and to restrain evil. It must arrest those who must be arrested. The idea of a "career criminal" shouldn't be a thing, let alone such a person being allowed to roam the streets terrorizing the vulnerable, as we saw on that train in Charlotte. It must seek to purge progressives from the universities and the judiciary, and the NGO/non-profit scene. We must have a rethink about our economics, given we've been selling ourselves out for decades just so that GDP can go up by 0.5% every quarter. This is hardly comprehensive, but leadership that pursues ends such as these shows compassion for its citizens by administering this kind of justice.

To the extent our leaders refuse to do this, the length and/or intensity of our problems will increase, but this cannot truly defeat us as long as we channel Paul and run our own race well. In this, Charlie Kirk was an inspiration.
 
What is "troon and Nazi"? The Nazi's were formed to defeat the troon movement in Germany in the 1930's and the same is coming back today again.
Well my point is the Troons and Nazis are bold enough to do crap like this as solo individuals. Usually Anti fa runs in mobs. Our guy didn’t even wear a mask. Charlie Kirk was a giant Zionist shill. I could see a Nat soc gunning down a “Jewish Puppet” I mean this guy mentioned he kept the sabbath. I understand why. Young dude my age picks up the Bible and it’s brilliant. I’ve fought with Pepe pagans over religion. They’d ask me to embrace the white gods while I’d be like Noooooooooo… “Jesus was brown” bleeh blah. So some Pepe pagan nazi I could see it. Troons - Weimar. Nazis were a reaction against the Troons. Now we’re in a weird era where the Jews have captured a certain Christian element.
 
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