Catholicism: Criticism & Debate Thread
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You cannot be Christian and hold the belief that all religions are a path to God. “Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6.
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Pope Francis: ‘Every religion is a way to arrive at God’ - LifeSite
Pope Francis told young people in Singapore that being ‘Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christian’ are just ‘different paths,’ as ‘every religion is a way’ to God.
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As stated in the same article the doctrine didnt change.You cannot be Christian and hold the belief that all religions are a path to God. “Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6.
Pope Francis: ‘Every religion is a way to arrive at God’ - LifeSite
Pope Francis told young people in Singapore that being ‘Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christian’ are just ‘different paths,’ as ‘every religion is a way’ to God.
“However, the much-loved and widely respected approved catechism, the Baltimore Catechism, reminds readers simply that “The one true Church established by Christ is the Catholic Church.” {Q. 152}”
Above posts discuss how the pope (argentinian) speaks sometimes but doesnt change anything. Thank God.
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It gets even worse than this. Look up the doctrine of Invincible Ignorance, which is the idea that pagans who never had the chance to hear the Gospel can still be saved by doing good works. It's pure Vatican 2 liberalism.You cannot be Christian and hold the belief that all religions are a path to God. “Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6.
Pope Francis: ‘Every religion is a way to arrive at God’ - LifeSite
Pope Francis told young people in Singapore that being ‘Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christian’ are just ‘different paths,’ as ‘every religion is a way’ to God.
What the Pope is saying here is in line with Catholic theology, which is why Catholic theology as a whole is faulty. Catholics see their church as broad enough to accommodate all these different view points, it has been described to me as the "beauty" and "strength" of Catholicism. This is why you see so much difference in emphasis within Catholicism, as it does not present a consistent worldview, and results in endless goal-post shifting when you engage with Catholics.
Historically, the Reformers understood the Pope to be the Antichrist. And given his recent statements, it's hard to disagree. He is 2-0 on teaching the exact opposite of what the Bible says in recent months. First, he says "the heart is fundamentally good" then he says "every religion is a way to God."
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Ahahah Protestants saying catholics are broad enough to acomodate all these different view points? Are you doing some kind of stand up?
You want me to post links of protestants denominations with completely opposing views? You don´t have morals to question catholics. Orthos ok. They are serious people. Even though. They suffer from the same vice. But prots? Come one? Protestants countries are the most degenerate filth that history have ever witnessed. This will be remembered in history books as an era worse than Weimar. US and most of protestant countries will be remembered as the worse moral era in history.
Reformers wanted the english king to have sex with as many woman he could. Your fundamentals are a depraved king. And it shows.
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France, mainly Catholic, accepts adultery more than any nation.
French more accepting of infidelity than people in other countries
French President Francois Hollande has been dealing with revelations of an affair he has been having with an actress, but he leads a country that has a more tolerant view than others of these matters.
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Pope Francis tells interfaith meeting: ‘Divine inspiration’ is ‘present in every faith’ - LifeSite
Pope Francis delivered closing remarks at this year’s ‘international prayer meeting for peace,’ organized by the Sant’Egidio Community, stressing a need to combat ‘climate change’ and encouraging ‘fraternity’ between the world’s religions.
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This pope speaks and acts directly against the words of Christ.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.” Matthew 10:34-36.
I ran across this post saying the Pope's statements on other religions and God are nothing new. They are straight out of Vatican II. In particular, the Vatican II documents seem to say that Allah is the same God Christians worship.Pope Francis tells interfaith meeting: ‘Divine inspiration’ is ‘present in every faith’ - LifeSite
Pope Francis delivered closing remarks at this year’s ‘international prayer meeting for peace,’ organized by the Sant’Egidio Community, stressing a need to combat ‘climate change’ and encouraging ‘fraternity’ between the world’s religions.
This pope speaks and acts directly against the words of Christ.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.” Matthew 10:34-36.
I would say this is absolutely not true. God is the trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Allah is much different. Not only is Allah not the trinitarian God, he is much different that God the Father. Muslims simply do not worship the God of the Bible.
I was surprised to see the statements being quoted from the Vatican II. They do seem to be the same as the current Pope's recent statements.
Totally agree. I'm convinced now that the god of muslims is actually a demon. Possibly more than one - because that sort of thing always devolves into confusion and chaos. The identities of the gods of the hindus are more obvious as to what they actually are (the art and stories speak for themselves.)
Pro-LGBT creator of Vatican 'Luce' mascot also behind adult sex toy designs - LifeSite
Tokidoki, the Italian brand which created the controversial ‘Luce and Friends’ mascots for the 2025 Jubilee Year, has collaborated on a range of ‘adult toys’ – the designs of which have been described and reviewed in strikingly similar terms to the Vatican mascot.
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The supernatural entity known as 'Allah' was originally a moon deity worshiped by the nomadic Bedouin. Or so I learned many, many years ago.
The position of Sedeprivationism seems fairly more reasonable than that of Sedevacantism.
I am returning to the Catholic faith after over a year of Orthodox Inquiry, I was born a Catholic and I don't feel that it is best to leave the faith when I agree with all traditional doctrine of the Church and the teachings of the Church fathers. I attend a TLM, and even if it were to be outright banned, there is far too many that will continue to practice Quo Primum.
I am returning to the Catholic faith after over a year of Orthodox Inquiry, I was born a Catholic and I don't feel that it is best to leave the faith when I agree with all traditional doctrine of the Church and the teachings of the Church fathers. I attend a TLM, and even if it were to be outright banned, there is far too many that will continue to practice Quo Primum.
It is a more faithfully logical approach than something that leads to further schism. On the whole the outlook should be one of unification between the west and east in complete Apostolic unity, but we cannot betray our roots from one to the other. It is most logical that a child of Catholicism, whose parents and grandparents and previous generations came into this world, lived, and died in it, is more genetically in tune with living this way than he would be as a Protestant, an Orthodox, or any other form of belief even non-Christian forms. My family has been Catholic for at least 800 years as far back as I've researched. For me to switch to Orthodoxy out of some spiritual convenience due to the assault on the Catholic Church that has not ceased, to me, is a betrayal of my roots, despite my overwhelming support for Orthodoxy and the nations which embrace it.
The TLM heals addiction, and more. It truly carries the Holy Spirit to the congregation in a way that I can't see being done otherwise. It won't be banned, and those who try to, they cannot sever a true link between God and man. Faith always finds a way back.
Okay, but this is not the reason people are joining the Orthodox Church. They join because they recognize the Orthodox Church as the One holy, catholic, and apostolic church established by our Lord Jesus Christ with the grace of the Holy Spirit. You're free to disagree, but that's ultimately what it comes down to.
Basing your views on genetics or heritage won't give you any epistemic grounding. At one point all of our ancestors were pagans having lived that way for hundreds of years. When Christian missionaries came to them, they weren't "betraying their roots" by accepting Christ. They were simply accepting the truth, and Christianity became part of their culture.
With the constant assault on the Catholic church from both inside and out, I would argue that it, too, is canonical. It is a very exciting time to be a Catholic, for I see us taking the church back to its roots in the very near future. Those that are Catholic today are by and far orthodox Catholic - the men in seminaries today are vastly orthodox.
The majority of Orthodox converts are coming from Protestant (Evangelical and Presbyterian anecdotally) sects. I would have been in err to leave Catholicism for the Orthodox church of America (in my case).
Glory be to God that you finally found your way, albeit in Catholicism and not Orthodoxy. I have a friend who was living a hedonistic life, but he repented and took his Catholic faith seriously. Eventually, he found his future wife at a Catholic event. Now he is clean from his hedonistic past. I have another friend whose partner was a Buddhist, but before marriage, she converted to Catholicism. Now they are married under the sacrament of the Catholic Church. If God calls you through the Catholic Church, then that's the way it is.
For me personally, despite going to a Catholic junior high school, Catholic high school, Catholic university, and even attending Catholic mass, Catholic events, doing the rosary, etc., it did not do anything for me. Christ called me through the Orthodox Church. It seems that God has different plans for each of us.
I think Catholics have made a rod for their own back in many ways by their placing so much authority on the Pope and granting him infallibility.
Orthodox leaders say troubling stuff a lot, but we don't hold them as infallible, so we can just say "yeah he's wrong on that" but Catholics will have to Popesplain everything because their position makes it all the more difficult to just say "he's wrong". I appreciate that the exact details of how and when the Pope is declaring dogma are nuanced, but in general the Catholics have developed a position where people see what the Pope says as Catholic dogma.
I think they tend to get a lot of flack for this.
Orthodox leaders say troubling stuff a lot, but we don't hold them as infallible, so we can just say "yeah he's wrong on that" but Catholics will have to Popesplain everything because their position makes it all the more difficult to just say "he's wrong". I appreciate that the exact details of how and when the Pope is declaring dogma are nuanced, but in general the Catholics have developed a position where people see what the Pope says as Catholic dogma.
I think they tend to get a lot of flack for this.
There is a difference between speaking ex-cathedra (which has happened once in 1950 to define a Marian dogma I am sure the Orthodox would too agree with - The Assumption of the Holy Mother) and being "infallible" when speaking to reporters on an airplane. This too, was a hangup in me returning to Catholicism, but with further investigation it doesn't hold up. The Kingdom of God is heirarchical, and thus I do believe that there too, is a representative on Earth that is that person. We don't worship the Pope, but look to him for guidance as we would a spiritual father.
The popes themselves have even said that infallibility is tremendously rare: In July 2005 Pope Benedict XVI stated during an impromptu address to priests in Aosta that: "The Pope is not an oracle; he is infallible in very rare situations, as we know." Pope John XXIII once remarked: "I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible."
The main issue people have is with Francis and the TLM and his seeming inability to take a hardline on Catholic doctrine. And, a pope can err - this has happened many times in the Catholic church. I am not defending him, nor do I like what he says and wish he would just say "hey, this is what we believe, we are not for the world, so obviously we don't promote abortion or want gay marriage" but he hasn't. I simply pray for him as I pray for the leader of a country I live in but don't agree with.
The issue I had with the Orthodox patriarchical structure is that 1. The Orthodox church is not actually united as they say they are (there isn't agreement on valid baptisms, there is obvious strife between the Ukrainian and Russian churches) and 2. They can't have a council without the Catholic church, there hasn't been an Ecumenical council since 787. I pray for the unification of Christ's Church where all brothers and sisters are united under One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church with the Church Struggling and the Church Triumphant.