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Bitcoin and Crypto Thread

Bitcoin is making a crazy Bull run last 24-48 hrs. Anyone selling now or riding it out?

I sold all my btc and put it all into alt coins I did research and ultimately joined one of the paid groups and learned a hell of a lot.

If youre already wealthy(7 figures) I’d suggest it’s totally fine to hold all your crypto in btc. Start selling at 150000. Sell half then . Anytime there’s a big pump you sell half.

Buy back in about 3 years during the bear market and next time you sell for even more


If you have a lower net worth you can still get a 50x or even 100x on new high risk coins that haven’t really started pumping yet. Rite, litt, awt, souls Chrp . Probably a little late to be buying aig delysium or aitech Solidus or Octavia as they have already pumped but you can try for a dip . Some if the coins I mentioned will go to zero as they are all high risk but sone will likely get 100x or 200x or more.

You do need some safety net picks like manta, tet, mintlayer, alph, kas, sei, and some of these are in a good bit sone currently

So don’t put all your eggs in one basket, unless you’re already rich and that basket is btc
 
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What's odd about this cycle is that we haven't tested the previous range (31.8K - 24.4K) since the up move. We do this every cycle before the ATH pump.

I think it's financially wise to take some profits just to make sure you're in the green for all your hard work in taking the crypto risk. I'm personally taking 15% off my spot bag.

We dropped. Back to 38.5 k about a month ago, that may turn out to be the big correction people were calling for
 
We dropped. Back to 38.5 k about a month ago, that may turn out to be the big correction people were calling for
That was a good DCA opportunity but I don't think we're out of the woods yet until we close a weekly body candle above ATH. So, I still think a rotation down is still in the cards until we see that.
 
It does not support sei yet . You can add custom tokens but cannot transfer on the sei network yet. Yes it’s cold storage, no 12 word passcode. You scan it with your phone but if you want to sell the actual tangem wallet needs a scan . I have it set to scan my eyes to unlock. If you have android a thumb print should work

Not sure about sui

More coming.



Looking for a wallet that is quick to support new assets... Airgapped.

That was a good DCA opportunity but I don't think we're out of the woods yet until we close a weekly body candle above ATH. So, I still think a rotation down is still in the cards until we see that.

I was also looking at the same thing. That it did not have more of a prolonged correction at around $38k, down to about $32k was uncharacteristic. On what I was looking on that broke a predictable trend going back through all of the price history. But it must be from the huge ETF buying pressure. I think the price would be more in the range of $40k without ETFs now.

It will go up until ETF buying pressure remains as is.

Not really any way to gauge how things will go here.

Waiting a few months to take in how things go.

Expecting a huge crash, but probably from higher than now.

How does one go about finding these ETH L2 airdrops BTB keeps talking about?



Best is to join a group or at least follow a Twitter or two.

There are people who farm huge numbers of wallets.

But this is the kind of things that people with low capital do, and invest a decent amount of time in.
 
Will MSTR generally follow the pattern of BTC going into the future? Here's a monthly chart of both going back to 2015. If I didn't use the logarithmic scale, they would look more similar over the last 3 years. Thoughts?


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I sold all my btc and put it all into alt coins I did research and ultimately joined one of the paid groups and learned a hell of a lot.

If youre already wealthy(7 figures) I’d suggest it’s totally fine to hold all your crypto in btc. Start selling at 150000. Sell half then . Anytime there’s a big pump you sell half.

Buy back in about 3 years during the bear market and next time you sell for even more


If you have a lower net worth you can still get a 50x or even 100x on new high risk coins that haven’t really started pumping yet. Rite, litt, awt, souls Chrp . Probably a little late to be buying aig delysium or aitech Solidus or Octavia as they have already pumped but you can try for a dip . Some if the coins I mentioned will go to zero as they are all high risk but sone will likely get 100x or 200x or more.

You do need some safety net picks like manta, tet, mintlayer, alph, kas, sei, and some of these are in a good bit sone currently

So don’t put all your eggs in one basket, unless you’re already rich and that basket is btc

Could you share some of the thinking behind these choices? What kinds of info are they giving in the paid group?
 
Will MSTR generally follow the pattern of BTC going into the future? Here's a monthly chart of both going back to 2015. If I didn't use the logarithmic scale, they would look more similar over the last 3 years. Thoughts?


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Yes, it is a far superior version of an ETF or rather, a company that will be able to do many things moving ahead with a stellar balance sheet. The miners, if you can pick the ones that will survive, will do better in the cycles where BTC soars (such as this part) but that risk premium may not be worth it overall when MSTR will continue to deliver with plenty of volatility to boot. By the way, if it goes up $50 more it is at the market cap criterion to be included in the S&P 500 ...
 
Could you share some of the thinking behind these choices? What kinds of info are they giving in the paid group?


Honestly he gives away a lot for free, I’m not giving away any of his hidden patreon picks. But you can go back and watch his picks like otk and aitech Solidus before they did a 10x in a short number of months



As for why awt, souls, Chrp, rite, litt all are a quality product and still a tiny market cap with room to grow.

The safety picks like kas, alph, sei have already mooned, I mean you can try for a dip but you’ve already missed the train most likely on those. Tet or Manta or mintlayer (ml) are in a good buy zone right now. All good safety picks . Again I cannot and will not give away his hidden picks . I did buy them, when he reveals them I can talk about it

That’s the nutshell . If you doubt any of this you can go back and watch his channel evolve over the last four months, and decide for yourself.

The ai sector has already mooned and probably not a good time to buy aitech, Octavia or agi delysium right now but they gaming coins have yet to moon.

Edit I’m not saying you should join cepryls community . If you find someone you like and think their information is good, if it’s YouTube or somewhere else, then give them a shot for a month. Then if you get benefit out of them join for life There are a lot of coins out there that will pump so lots of choices

And I should add there’s tons of risk with these low market cap coins. Could go to zero, could get hacked and go to zero , so diversify and have safety picks as well

Or if you’re already a millionaire keep a large stock portfolio and have some btc. Put a million dollars in just Bitcoin right now and it will triple it or quadruple in the next 12-18 months then you sell and buy again in 2 years. Or sheesh by that point you have 8-10million dollars just stick with a boring stock portfolio

I wouldn’t exactly say it’s easy to time your buys right and time your sells right. At least 90% of crypto holders lose money so there’s something to be said for just buying ethereum and btc during the bear market, sell it during the bull market.

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I expect BTC to range around here or maybe go a little higher in the short termand usually in these environments, Altcoins will catch up - perhaps starting this weekend or next week. So I'm going to take advantage of this.

Big Caps (obviously Sol / AVAX / etc) has already left the train station. A coin that I'm interested in Mavia (MAVIAUSD). It has an interesting chart setup called Power of 3 - which is common in Crypto and Forex and you can youtube this method if you're curious but I wouldn't recommend anyone here to trade or understand this method unless you're a professional.

There are quite a few youtube influencers pumping this coin too but I tend to not pay attention to that and just worry about great risk reward setups.

Unfortunately, I'm planning to travel starting this weekend for vacation- so I will be DCA'ing it starting with an initial and then limit orders across 5.34 - 4.9 so I'm unable to monitor this real time for confirmations in the price action. This is a high risk play so I suggest to risk no more than 1% of your planned portfolio. I aim to take some profits at 8.5 - 10 and then let the rest ride for the rest of the bull market cycle. I will give up if I see weekly closes below the purple box.

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Could you share some of the thinking behind these choices? What kinds of info are they giving in the paid group?
I imagine he's suggesting that BTC has a lower potential return for the risk, since it's already a trillion-dollar market cap. And if you already have a lot of money then you can and should be more risk-averse.

I see it differently. If you were looking for stocks to buy in 2016 or something and took the same approach, you'd buy something with "room for growth" except you'd be better off picking the giant FAANG companies. Doesn't matter how much wealth you had. Looking for a 10x return and losing it is a failure. You would have been better off with the obvious thing.

Also, most people can't stomach the swings. I have the fantasy that I should have just gotten busy mowing lawns or bartending in the 2000's and 2010's instead of going to college, and then buying Apple, Amazon, and now Nvidia. But the reality is that I wouldn't have been able to stomach the swings in Apple or Amazon for example. And I figured Microsoft was a dinosaur. But if I had set myself a simple rule: "DCA into the S&P500", I'd have been much better off. I wouldn't have gotten itchy fingers and wanting to trade. Dead people's accounts perform better than living people's.

Similarly, I haven't seen any arguments for the fundamentals of all these shitcoins. I mostly just hear strategies to make money at the casino. "XYZ has great potential! ABC is overvalued as are all L2's!" there's little talk of any of these things actually doing something. Ethereum has arguments around smart contracts, Solana said it wanted to replace the NASDAQ, but those things don't seem to be panning out well. You could make money at the casino. But you're probably better off DCA'ing into bitcoin and an S&P500 index, and going about living your life.
 
Similarly, I haven't seen any arguments for the fundamentals of all these shitcoins. I mostly just hear strategies to make money at the casino. "XYZ has great potential! ABC is overvalued as are all L2's!" there's little talk of any of these things actually doing something. Ethereum has arguments around smart contracts, Solana said it wanted to replace the NASDAQ, but those things don't seem to be panning out well. You could make money at the casino. But you're probably better off DCA'ing into bitcoin and an S&P500 index, and going about living your life.

There is a lot of talk of the offerings of projects, or fundamentals. If you tune into the developers, that's all they talk about. If you listen to traders, you will hear a lot more on how many Xs they are looking at.

You are right that the space is not "panning out" well, in that crypto is mostly just used for the 4 year gambling cycle. This has been covered in the thread. The space is emerging as internet 2.0, but at it's stage of adoption it is at around the stage the internet was in 1990 or so. At the time Paul Krugmann et. al. were saying it will be a failure. As with the internet, there is a process of building the tech to be usable and trial and error. Right now much of what has been built is not that usable. Just as Usenet was and still isn't useable for normies.

Most of the stuff that is around now will be gone in 15 years. But as with past cycles, there will be easy plays - many of them - that will go up in value 10s of times or more. Few will reach ATHs again in the following cycle. It's a question of being out by the end of 2025.

If you observe the trends, it was easy to say from about Jul 2022 - Jan 2023 that you should be buying BTC for big returns. Stocks are not worth it in comparison. It's less easy, but was still possible to be picking fresh new projects during last year that are now up 10-100X. This is a repeating cycle and there is nothing to suggest it may stop.

There will be more fresh projects emerging for the next 18 months or so. Unless there is a black swan, they will continue to go up many multiples.

A stock mentality does not port over well to crypto. The nature of trying to beat the stock market is generally going to need to be defensive if it can last over time. Such traders take all kinds of precautions and hedges to try and avoid losing money. With crypto, there has been three, now four, cycled, of just buy in the winter and sell in Nov-Dec on the four year cycle. Anyone who has been around for a time knows this. You'd be hard pushed to find a 10 year plus observe who is planning to hold into 2026. People don't really take precautions or hedge. At best hedging is having a weighting of something like BTC that will give less returns.




@expectation - do you have a shill/thesis on MAVIA? Seen it pop up a few times.

@Brewer - re. your query. The best picker I have seen for this season is @BraverCrypto on Twitter. Again, you can go through all his tweets and see he has picked multiple huge return coins very early, and there's still ~20 months left to go. Just buying whatever new he picked up will probably 20X the S&P from here, if ejecting in Nov-Dec 2025.
 
I see it differently. If you were looking for stocks to buy in 2016 or something and took the same approach, you'd buy something with "room for growth" except you'd be better off picking the giant FAANG companies. Doesn't matter how much wealth you had. Looking for a 10x return and losing it is a failure. You would have been better off with the obvious thing.
This is exactly how I see it. I'm in a category of being invested and risky "enough" where the ROI I get will be just fine. Others might go for longer shots, but that decreased probability in this regard isn't worth it to me, since I know I have a winner on my hands. @Cynllo seems to be pretty expert on these things, so people can leave it to their own judgment but I doubt many have anywhere near the skill or educated guessing capabilities that a guy like him appears to have.
 
BTW, congrats to Bitcoin HODLers. All time highs! Been a long 2 years for you. I hope this is the beginning of a good run.

Even gold closed the week at an ATH.

ETH and Silver need to catch up to their big brothers. At least ETH looks alive, and it is early still.
 
What do people here suggest as the best wallet/storage options if wanting to buy/store some of these alt coins like QUBIC.

Thanks in advance.
 
What do people here suggest as the best wallet/storage options if wanting to buy/store some of these alt coins like QUBIC.

Thanks in advance.


If you are using it, test getting back into it before sending funds. It's not the most intutitve.

The price has gone up about 6X since posting. It was at $1.1b cap a little earlier. It was posted, with a suggestion to buy at about $180m. I think it could go towards $200b, but it will do what it does. That extra $800-900m on the cap will shave off a lot of potential gains.

I wouldn't expect to see any hardware wallets for Qubic soon, as the tech is very different from anything else. The reason it's only on junk exchanges is because of the complexity of integrating it. Specifically, at current, every week the exchanges that carry it have to upgrade their Qubic stack, or it wont work. They have been in contact witch MEXC since November and there are multiple listings ready to happen when they have a solution, so exchanges don't have to do weekly updates.

The only good sub-$100m L1 I can see now is Microvision Chain (SPACE). If you are looking for lower cap (not top 100) L1s - Alephium, Qubic and Space is a good bag. For more safety picks, Eradicator posted some above. I'd add SUI to that. Generally picking anything that was around in 2021 or earlier will limit you to 10X or less. I am only looking for low caps, sub $100m, ideally less. Gets harder to pick the lower the cap, as the hallmarks are not often there and it's hard to find out about every solid micro cap.

L1 is the core of crypto. A lot of people are just picking them and sitting back. Everything happens on top of them - the more activity there is, the more the price will go up. Picking most things that are subsidiary to that means adoption is less likely and the ones that move will likely do a lot of moving later. But two that look like they could move a lot are Andromeda and OpenFabric AI.

Summaries:



* now at about $50m.

OpenFabric, about $35m cap.

Open Fabric AI ($OFN) is a cutting-edge cryptocurrency project that leverages artificial intelligence (AI) to revolutionize the way we interact with blockchain technology. It aims to democratize access to AI tools, making them more accessible to developers and businesses across various industries. By integrating AI and blockchain, Open Fabric AI seeks to enhance security, efficiency, and scalability in deploying AI solutions.

SWOT Analysis of Open Fabric AI ($OFN)

Strengths:

Innovative Integration: The fusion of AI and blockchain technology is Open Fabric AI's core strength. This combination ensures a secure, transparent, and efficient platform for AI solutions.
Accessibility: It lowers the barrier to entry for utilizing AI technology, making it accessible to a wider range of developers and businesses.
Decentralization: Leveraging blockchain technology ensures that the platform remains decentralized, promoting a more democratic access to AI tools.
Weaknesses:

Complexity: The technical complexity of integrating AI with blockchain may pose challenges for widespread adoption among non-technical users.
Competition: The space for AI on blockchain is becoming increasingly crowded, with several projects vying for dominance.
Scalability: As with many blockchain projects, scalability can be a concern, especially when handling large-scale AI computations.
Opportunities:

Growing Demand for AI: The demand for AI solutions is skyrocketing across industries, from healthcare to finance, presenting a significant opportunity for Open Fabric AI.
Blockchain Adoption: As blockchain technology gains more acceptance, projects like Open Fabric AI are well-positioned to benefit from increased interest and investment.
Partnerships: Collaborating with established tech companies and industries could enhance Open Fabric AI's market penetration and utility.
Threats:

Regulatory Challenges: The regulatory landscape for both AI and blockchain is still evolving, which could pose future challenges.
Technological Advances: Rapid advancements in technology could see newer, more efficient solutions overtaking Open Fabric AI's offering.



A lot of people are posting they are not playing in the Eth ecosystem. A Uniswap swap was about $125 a few days ago, so that prohibits most of the world from engaging. People will look for new ecosystems. There may be a lot of bridging.
 
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A stock mentality does not port over well to crypto. The nature of trying to beat the stock market is generally going to need to be defensive if it can last over time.
Sure, if you DCA'ed into the S&P500 or Nasdaq in the late 90's it would have taken until as long as 2012 to even catch up with your losses following the year 2000 crash. Whereas if you bought a basket of crypto right before the 2017 crash and kept buying, you'd be killing it right now, especially if you had the stomach to continue DCA'ing into bitcoin through the 2019 or 2022 lows.


There is a lot of talk of the offerings of projects, or fundamentals. If you tune into the developers, that's all they talk about.
The space is emerging as internet 2.0, but at it's stage of adoption it is at around the stage the internet was in 1990 or so.
I agree that there are comparisons with the 1990's dot com bubble. Sun Microsystems, Nokia, Cisco, etc were raging. Of course developers were hard at work on all of those projects too, and the traders were buying "any XYZ.com stock ticker" and making huge gains. The FAANG companies emerged (and others) but well over 90% of those tech companies burned. I know a guy who generally beats the S&P by a good margin, but it seems so stressful, so consuming emotionally, spiritually.

It seems like your position is that crypto is more predictable, and that also the potential for returns dwarfs those of the stock market. You could make 2x, 5x, 10x your money with stocks, whereas you could 10x, 100x, 1000x your money in crypto.

Do I have that right? Because then it seems like the big difference here is that you are more interested in a focused approach on trading, whereas I'm looking more at investing/preserving.

The other part of my perspective/strategy is just me coming to terms with the simple fact that I'm an ape and should not be trusted with trading.
 
@cosine - Everything you say is correct.

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The market has been driven by the Bitcoin halving cycle, in which the BTC supply has halved in around April 2012, 2016, 2020 and soon 2024.

Each four year bull run cycle has followed the same pattern of:

1) a hard bounce off the price when RSI hits about 30 on a 1w view - (after a one year bear market) [* the March 2020 RSI at 30 was caused by an exchange failure]
2) first year of the bull market drifts up slowly
3) second year of the bull market sees a large movement up (Nov 2016, Sep 2020, Feb 2024)
4) third year of the bull market see big movements up, with multiple large corrections that don't last long, numerous parabolic movements

I watched the last two just expecting what happened in the previous ones, and that's what's happened. There needs to be an outside event to knock it off course, like a recession or government action.

There are a lot of people who have observed these patterns and are basing all their decisions on them, so it's now highly cemented. Of the people I am exposed to, no one is planning to hold any crypto in 2026. Everyone is expecting the trend to be the same as it has been in the last three cycles. A stock trading mentality will tell you not to do these things. Just as a crypto trading strategy for stocks is inoperable, since there are not such predictable patterns; particularly with the highly central bank driven market of 2009-. It's a gold rush, like tech stocks, gold in CA, early domain names. There is a trajectory and patterns. We are not at the point of diminishing returns or extreme strategies to try and beat the market. Probably at least two more cycles.

I think crypto will pan out a lot like you mention the dot com bubble onwards. The current tech is generally not fit to run what proponents are trying to run on it. I didn't hear anyone talking about the limitations of Ethereum in 2020. It was my main holding based on the premise that I saw lots of projects built on it, that required to use it to operate. Yet by early 2021, ETH had been exposed as something completely inadequate; only being able to handle 20 TPS. Likewise, go back a few years and there were a lot of economically illiterate people talking about BTC as money, which no one says now as it's too obvious it's not. But the crypto space is full of maxis, who just choose something to believe in, and have little to no understanding of economics that the space must eventually be tied to.

I don't see any of the projects around now necessarily being around in ten years, with the exception of Qubic and maybe BitTensor. If you look at all these 1,000s of projects that have been built - generally the premise is some kind of more open or decentralised version of things that already exist - banks (wallets), crypto-games, decentralised hosting, decentralised computing power, decentralised AI. And Qubic is the only solution that all of them could run on at web speed - Internet 2.0 - in which all these companies like Amazon, Amazon Web Services, Google, Facebook, Minecraft etc. could be replaced by ones that are more open or completely decentralised. But with everything else that has come, it's possible/likely limitations of Qubic would be exposed further down the line.

At current the decentralisation question hasn't been solved, since most crypto projects are still running on centralised Internet 1.0 infrastructure like AWS, ICANN domains etc. The blockchain trilema also hasn't necessarily been solved:

The perfect blockchain boasts three elements: Security, decentralization, and scalability. But finding a balance between the three is difficult and presents a problem referred to as the blockchain trilemma.

Bitcoin can't scale and Solana isn't that secure or centralised. Solana has had around 100 hours of down-time which is as unacceptable as a global internet blackout. This is the first cycle where we see L1s that may potentially solve it. That is POW chains with smart contracts and high TPS - Qubic, Alephium, SPACE.

Bitcoin has a 2D ledger to store transactions in, which is why it's so slow. DAG POW chains like Kaspa, Alephium and SPACE are 3D, which (I believe) allows them to be as secure as Bitcoin while offering 10K TPS. Qubic has a 4D ledger, which allows it to be secure while providing a tested 40m TPS with 0.2s finality. We will have to see how this progresses, but the data I've seen suggests L2s are unnecessary, because everything and more can be done on a better L1.

The way I see it panning out is that in 20 years or so, such projects will have or be taking huge chunks out of these large companies. Silicon Valley will become another Detroit and at best the companies will be General Motors tier. The decentralised nature will mean the current powers that be, who are looking to harness blockchain for efficiency and to make most/many people redundant, should be replaced. The coming years will see a race between decentralisation and those who wan't to harness new technology to control society. I see bad futures down both paths.

One issue is the value and need for tokens. You can say the same for stocks. The only value of stocks, really, is at IPO, where people fund the future economic activity of a company. After that they don't really offer anything to the economy. They distribute value from workers to speculators. The argument is that stocks are tied to economic activity. But you can't redeem the stock for the economic activity or anything the company owns. You can just sell to another speculator.

The system in crypto is various ways of projects selling tokens to early investors; and later selling more tokens into the market to raise funds. Since there is very little real economic activity in the space, it is difficult to argue that they are backed by anything. It's pretty much all speculation. A difference is these tokens are meant to be currencies for some sort of ecosystem or system. That is not the case with stocks that only have a buy and sell mechanism. Tokens are a way of actually transferring some kind of perceived value. But at the end of the day there isn't an actual need for these tokens. All projects could just accept an L1 cryptocurrency (and many do). Exactly how this will be resolved is unclear, as these tokens are the method of projects bootsrapping capital. Otherwise you're left with open source projects trying to make waves with only nerds and community funding.

If you are looking to escape the system, I don't see anything worth buying other than crypto. As outlined there are issues, but I think this is the space where money will predictably flow for the next decade. My plan is to move 10% into a real estate ballast in 2026, continue to play the game and use more to chip away at the gay empire we live in.

The other part of my perspective/strategy is just me coming to terms with the simple fact that I'm an ape and should not be trusted with trading.

😅 Apes do great in crypto if they get in and out at the same right time.
 
Great post. I could have quoted other parts but I'm sure more people will weigh in later with others. So, for now ...

Likewise, go back a few years and there were a lot of economically illiterate people talking about BTC as money, which no one says now as it's too obvious it's not.
I don't see where you are coming from here. Note that I don't call myself a maxi, but I'm closer to it (whatever it means) than not being one. I've just never understood why you need anything more than the base layer and then you can copy every other project on top. Those are the coins that can be improved, whereas BTC is the protocol that has already beaten every other PoW network as "money", so the race is over.
But at the end of the day there isn't an actual need for these tokens. All projects could just accept an L1 cryptocurrency (and many do).
I've also never understood this, and can use a recent example of something people think will be "useful". Chainlink is supposed to be a type of rails or better blockchain/ecosystem (you can tell me the minute details I'm sure) that can assist the digital transition, or more of one, to/of the CC companies business plan. But if they just charge a fee to use the network, what's the point of the token? Why would anyone want it or "trade" it? It's just a tech business plan for better use or transactions for Visa or MasterCard, or whomever. I don't see how any token fits into that, except for people just buying and selling "tokens" for now because no one understands exactly what's going to happen, and that's just what you do with "crypto" tokens (the true application of the greater fool theory or speculation, terms thrown around all the time but are actually accurate in this example).

Having said all that, why wouldn't BTC be the layer 1 and the original, sane and sober maxi position that BTC is the base layer and everything else goes on top? How the "top" feeders get monetized is irrelevant to me, as they will probably end up being businesses that extract fees or payments, as I said above - just different types of tech companies - again, confirming that BTC is the real innovation underlying it all, and the rest is tech development.
 
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