Bitcoin and Crypto Thread

What creates inflation?

Law of demand.
inflation is not the same as increased prices.

If there's a bird flu and eggs go up in price, that's not inflation. That's supply and demand response.

You then mention the government printing money (or telling The Fed to). That is inflation. Like putting air into a balloon, money is being put into the economy. The number of dollars is inflated. More dollars means price goes up.
 
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inflation is not the same as increased prices.
This sentence is completely detached from reality. If a basket of goods increases in price there´s inflation. Tell that to the lady buying in the supermarket. Her grocery bill increases 30%. But you reach to her and say: "No ma´am that´s not inflation". She will look at you as you are a stupid.
Maybe we can create a different name for it. Inflaxion. Yeah not inflation. Inflaxion.

The official definition: "The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is a measure of the average change over time in the prices paid by urban consumers for a market basket of consumer goods and services."

If there's a bird flu and eggs go up in price, that's not inflation. That's supply and demand response.
That´s inflation. Operated by the supply side.

Law of demand is the most important economic law. And should be written in school boards.

You then mention the government printing money (or telling The Fed to). That is inflation. Like putting air into a balloon, money is being put into the economy. The number of dollars is inflated. More dollars means price goes up.

No that´s not true. That´s only taking account the demand. And not the supply/offer side. The price of a good and service is the direct result of the confrontation of demand and offer. If the government reduced the tax on goods to zero. There would probably be an automatic reduction in prices (in the long term it would mean indirectly more disposable income).

If you take away regulation the supply side can explode and outweighs the demand. The supply is nowadays kept artificially low. And the government strives to create monopoly and cartels who fix prices. To control who gets to supply the economy. In Ukraine it´s the same shit. They want to cut out Russia gas. Less supply. Less actors to control. In the end it´s about control. By enacting this retarded policies (bailouts) useless companies keep doing business because they have lobbied or bribed. And good companies are not possible because initial cost of regulation makes them impossible to operate until they reach a certain level of business volume threshold.

The price is set on a scale one side demand. The other side supply. It´s not only money printing obviously. Each side has a weight. Saying the scale only has demand is not true. Because reality says otherwise.

DEMAND +- SUPPLY = PRICE Equilibrium


Friedman did a disservice placing the power of fixing prices on central banking. Basically telling governments are useless. And should do nothing. It might one reason why we are in the shape we are.

If the government taxes your income 100%. You think it will not affect prices? If the government issues a regulation saying houses should only be built by dogs. Or only monekys. You think the housing prices of new houses would increase or reduce? Or if it issues a regulation saying only monkeys can bake bread. All regulation costs are passed on to the consumer.

More regulation less supply. Less supply if everything stays equal. Higher the price of a good and service.

Monetary policies should be neutral. It´s up to the governments to let economic agents fix their prices. Central banking as it is now it´s communism. Central planning of prices never works. Because economy and society is too dynamic for any central authority to determine what´s right or wrong in terms of production.

Governments should only create conditions for business to operate. Roads, etc. This is the catholic church economic doctrine. Or was at least with John Paul II. Governments are not to interfere with economy. But create conditions for businesses to thrive.

Bitcoin is worthless. But if people believe it has some worth it can go up in price. It´s a scam. Sanctioned now by governments. But scams can last a lot of time. And in the meanwhile you can make money out of it. When I was young some friend of mine owned Magic cards. I never understood the deal with them. I paid some money to a friend to make me a deck. But still couldn´t figure out what the nerds thought so valuable about those cards. But if you found the right cards nerds would pay you a lot. That´s bitcoin. I could invest in bitcoin. As I could invest in a pile of shit if enough idiots bought it. I will stick with houses.

What is sound is first breaking central banking. Central banks are subjects to law. And create regulation in banking which is sound. Resintating the law Clinton repealed. Glaxton steal. But most importantly repeal all regulation on cash. Cause cash and bills are the true bitcoin. The same on taxes. But the elite doesnt want that cause it loses control on who can or cannot operate.

From regulation comes bribes. From bribes selective criminal procedures. From there control.

Truth be told. New elites need to have some common grounds. Christianity. I would rather be poorer and not have transgender and fags than richer but having to endure gay flags.
 
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@magoo CPI?? Stop getting your definitions from government approved sources or just visit Mises.org
Or wtfhappenedin1971.com

Inflation is caused by money printing.
CPI is not a measure of inflation - it is a fake metric designed specifically to HIDE inflation.
 
@magoo CPI?? Stop getting your definitions from government approved sources or just visit Mises.org
Or wtfhappenedin1971.com

Inflation is caused by money printing.
CPI is not a measure of inflation - it is a fake metric designed specifically to HIDE inflation.
The scale has tipped on the demand side. Cause governments do nothing. Central banks work on the demand side. There´s no price equilibrium. And never will be until government enact policies to reduce inflation through private economic agents. Because government is useless about almost everything. And those policies can only mean one thing:

- Repeal regulations, lower taxes and let the supply side work.

Also disbanding all central banks. And only have thousands of normal banks. Puff systemic risk gone. Communist scum. No agent by itself can manipulate the market. This is capitalism. Who cares about banks. They are groceries of money. A store selling potatos or money is the same. I think banking in UK could be a drawer. A drawer would be a bank in the past. All this shit about banks, this and banks that. They are potato sellers. Through regulation theyve limited the number of banks allowed to operate. And there comes the cartels and the control. And no competition.

People should buy banks. There´s 2M$ banks in US for sale. Like Elon did with twitter. At one point I thought a lot about buying a portion of a bank. I still do.

 
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The scale has tipped on the demand side. Cause governments do nothing. Central banks work on the demand side. There´s no price equilibrium. And never will be until government enact policies to reduce inflation through private economic agents. Because government is useless about almost everything. And those policies can only mean one thing:

- Repeal regulations, lower taxes and let the supply side work.

Also disbanding all central banks. And only have thousands of normal banks. Puff systemic risk gone. Communist scum. No agent by itself can manipulate the market. This is capitalism. Who cares about banks. They are groceries of money. A store selling potatos or money is the same. I think banking in UK could be a drawer. A drawer would be a bank in the past. All this shit about banks, this and banks that. They are potato sellers. Through regulation theyve limited the number of banks allowed to operate. And there comes the cartels and the control. And no competition.

People should buy banks. There´s 2M$ banks in US for sale. Like Elon did with twitter. At one point I thought a lot about buying a portion of a bank. I still do.

Full reserve banking works. We can never have it until the existing system of fractional reserve collapses (the Fed refuses to allow custodia bank which is 100% reserves to have an account at the fed - they can only operate as a state bank in very limited ways)
If the Fed were to allow custodia bank to have a federal charter, it would collapse the current banking ponzi

As bitcoin continues its march through the financial system, the days of banking as we know it are numbered anyway. Less than a decade I think.

 
You don´t need 100% fractional. Even though it´s strange the Fed refusing to allow them. Central banks are a communist curse. Is there any reasoning for this central bank retardness?

There were 14125 US banks in 1935. In 2023 you have 4036. A 70% drop. This is brutal.

Specially since 1986 the number of banks decreased drastically. Actually Reagan was president.

The concentration of banks leads to cartels. And cartels to price fixing and damage to consumer. If banks were like restaurants nobody would care if one goes bankrupt. It would be the consumer fault. If the bank fails. But even if one failed. It would not even be a footnote on a newspaper. But this means less control. And deciding who gets a slice of the pie and who doesnt.

No agent should be big enough to manipulate the market.
 
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The reason the fed won’t allow it is that fractional reserve banks would need to adequately compensate depositors for the risk they are taking, if they are competing against a fully reserve bank. A savings account would need to pay 20%+ interest, depending on the riskiness of the loans made by the bank (assuming they used deposits to deal out loans, instead of creating new money - this would only happen once fiat is dead anyway.)
 
As bitcoin continues its march through the financial system,

How so?
I'm not sure if the question is "How is bitcoin marching through the financial system?" or
"How does bitcoin marching through the financial system end banking as we know it?"

I'll just address both: first: "how is the bitcoin trojan horse moving into traditional finance?"
Bitcoin is gradually being incorporated into traditional finance.
- ETFs
- MSTR being incorporated into the Nasdaq 100: millions of workers' passive retirement via index funds are now allocating, indirectly, to Bitcoin.
- MSTR (and other corporates) are selling bonds into the fixed income market, draining the liquidity from the negative yielding fixed income ocean, into the high performing bitcoin swimming pool.
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A country that has a large amount of the things I listed above is a rich and powerful country. A country that has a lot of Bitcoin has numbers on a screen. This is why the proposal of Bitcoin being a "strategic reserve asset" is an idea almost beyond farce. It's literally like a country buying up Pokemon cards.
You keep refusing to recognize what money is, and after 30 times of saying the same thing, you still have to face the facts that BTC is in fact money, just like the USD is money, however good or bad you want to label it. We at least do in fact say both are money, one is just particularly horrible and the other particularly great, or the discovery even, of money.
Fiat can and is 'printed' all day long through the issuance of debt.
Yes, these people don't understand that the opportunity cost of using money X is not using money Y, or whatever else they might. It's weird to keep having to tell them basics facts of life and reality.
Bitcoin is worthless.
It's not good faith to tell people something is worthless when MARKETS = REALITY already show that to be false. You people tell us all manner of things that are plainly against reality, the definition of delusional.
 
"How does bitcoin end the banking system as we know it?"

Currently, US Banks can't fail, because their debts are denominated in something that can be created out of nothing, infinitely. They can loan money for malinvestments in real estate speculation, green energy, plant based foods, harmful drugs...the list is endless. There is no opportunity cost. If they fail, its not even their money, it is make believe money that a select few can create out of nothing, and will, as long as the bank is "too big to fail."

What about a bitcoin bank? If the investment does not generate real returns in the real world, there is no bailout. Lending money for the sake of interest will probably not even exist - Lending bitcoin will work more like venture capital (but less focused on duping retail into investing to provide "exit liquidity".) The interest rate currently to lend my bitcoin would be quite high, because the risk is high. After careful consideration, I might require 20% or more interest, paid in bitcoin. That would mean that the business I'm investing in has to, in fiat terms, generate 100% to 200% ROI, fairly quickly (not 20 years in the future like Google, Meta, Amazon). Most lenders of bitcoin are going to consider who they are lending to very carefully, and want a controlling stake in the venture themselves, instead of taking extreme risk with no control.

This does not preclude a long-term business that won't pay off for years. But getting a low interest loan to finance such a venture, without also getting an equity stake in the company, will be impossible.

Billionaires living off of loans on their assets also will no longer exist. When the currency is no longer artificially depreciating, there is nothing to gain by taking out loans and endlessly rolling them over. There is no more wealth to be extracted from the lower class, once the lower class no longer values money that can be endlessly printed. When Bill Gates or Zuck take out a loan against their stock holdings, they are asking the bank to print new money for them, that they then spend immediately to buy islands or a million acres of farmland. The Cantillon effect gives their brand new money more purchasing power, until they buy the things they want and prices go up for everyone else with no assets to borrow against. This is why the rich keep getting richer. They then borrow even more money, against the assets they bought that have now increased in price. This is the continual wealth transfer from the W2 currency holding serfs, to the asset holding nobility. This is why Warren Buffet pays less in taxes than his secretary.
 
I'm not sure if the question is "How is bitcoin marching through the financial system?" or
"How does bitcoin marching through the financial system end banking as we know it?"

I'll just address both: first: "how is the bitcoin trojan horse moving into traditional finance?"
Bitcoin is gradually being incorporated into traditional finance.
- ETFs
- MSTR being incorporated into the Nasdaq 100: millions of workers' passive retirement via index funds are now allocating, indirectly, to Bitcoin.
- MSTR (and other corporates) are selling bonds into the fixed income market, draining the liquidity from the negative yielding fixed income ocean, into the high performing bitcoin swimming pool.
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I meant "How is bitcoin marching through the financial system?". The examples that you cited are completely insignificant. BTC is not marching through anything.

What are the short-term and medium-term goals for Bitcoin's financial "disruption"?
 
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You keep refusing to recognize what money is, and after 30 times of saying the same thing, you still have to face the facts that BTC is in fact money, just like the USD is money, however good or bad you want to label it. We at least do in fact say both are money, one is just particularly horrible and the other particularly great, or the discovery even, of money.
Money has no value in and of itself, whether that money is Bitcoin, seashells or USD. Money is only valuable insofar as it can be exchanged for real goods and services. That being the case, it should be obvious that powerful countries stockpiling Bitcoin is a fool's errand, since any that did so would simply encourage other countries to utilize alternate forms of currency rather than submit to the tyrannical Bitcoin standard. You guys sort of handwave this away by saying that, "People/countries won't have a choice, they'll have to use Bitcoin." But this is patently false. We are witnessing now countries moving away from the USD - what makes you think they could not just as easily move away from BTC?

Also, you can't really equate the financial strategies of individuals and powerful countries. It's easy to come up with plenty of scenarios in which you or any other person could significantly advantage themselves by buying Bitcoin. It's much harder to make this same case for wealthy nation states like the U.S. There are totally different factors at play. Individual citizens and governments have totally different concerns and do not operate their finances in remotely the same manner. This is why the suggestion that the U.S. government buys Bitcoin to eventually sell it to pay down the debt is breathtakingly stupid. Anyone advocating for this is revealing that they literally have the economic understanding of a child (Sen. Lummis).
What about a bitcoin bank?
Do you honestly believe - even assuming that Bitcoin became the world reserve currency - that fractional reserve banking would die out? I would call that incredibly naive. Fractional reserve banking is simply far too powerful and tempting for those in a position to utilize it to resist doing so. Even on a global Bitcoin standard, you would have banks lending out other currencies backed fractionally by Bitcoin. Men will not become saints overnight, human nature does not change, and you can't put the genie back in the bottle as far as fractional reserve banking goes.
 
I meant "How is bitcoin marching through the financial system?". The examples that you cited are completely insignificant. BTC is not marching through anything.

What are the short-term and medium-term goals for Bitcoin's financial "disruption"?

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There’s no goal, Bitcoin is what it is: a superior asset into which value will flow from inferior assets. Gold, equities, bonds, and real estate value will be swallowed by the Bitcoin black hole. Millions of people who don’t like bitcoin, dont understand bitcoin, or never considered bitcoin, are passively, indirectly buying bitcoin with every deposit into IRAs and 401k’s now that MSTR is in the QQQ. This isn’t a fluke and it’s not a bubble. The Bitcoin ETFs are the most successful ETFs ever and eclipsed 20 years of gold ETF market cap in 10 months.

My mechanic (who I pay in BTC) just sold his rental property and put all the proceeds into Bitcoin.
 
You keep refusing to recognize what money is, and after 30 times of saying the same thing, you still have to face the facts that BTC is in fact money, just like the USD is money


I don't know how you say that considering there is a bit of a difference in that the USD has the most powerful country in the world backing it....
 
Do you honestly believe - even assuming that Bitcoin became the world reserve currency - that fractional reserve banking would die out? I would call that incredibly naive. Fractional reserve banking is simply far too powerful and tempting for those in a position to utilize it to resist doing so. Even on a global Bitcoin standard, you would have banks lending out other currencies backed fractionally by Bitcoin. Men will not become saints overnight, human nature does not change, and you can't put the genie back in the bottle as far as fractional reserve banking goes.
Government currencies won't need to exist. They only existed to abstract gold because gold was not very transportable, divisible, or verifiable. Bitcoin does not need to be abstracted since it is already highly transportable, divisible, and verifiable.

Less people are going to accept an abstraction for payment when it is just as easy to get the real thing.

Also, if currencies continue to exist, they will simply be speculative attacked into oblivion. Borrow the depreciating currency, buy bitcoin, pay the loan with the depreciated currency, rinse and repeat until the easy money is dead. The last "carry trade" if you will. This will probably happen during the adoption phase of bitcoin, since it is appreciating so rapidly. The more fiat is borrowed to buy bitcoin, the more it depreciates, and the more relative strength goes into bitcoin (at the expense of those who hold the currency and its derivatives, like bonds.)

MSTR is conducting a speculative attack. Imagine more corporations doing the same - selling fiat debt into the bond market and buying bitcoin. Government debt becomes much more expensive, because they have to compete with much higher yielding bitcoin backed debt. Bond market liquidity flows into bitcoin and bitcoin becomes stronger, more valuable money, with an even broader financial network.
 
Where are you guys storing your crypto currency? I'm seeing no consensus at all on this and it's a huge deal. Some men have been reporting that thieves are hacking the wallets and making off with coins. Hot or cold wallet doesn't seem to matter. Access is being gained during transfer is what I gather. Some guys are just leaving their crypto on an exchange.

What are you guys doing to secure your crypto? Exchange, hot wallet, cold wallet? Recommendations? I've used the search. It seems scammers may be actually supplying the wallets.
 
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