Are there women who prefer men who are virgins?

[Blade Runner]

The X factor is parents who have instilled the value of family in their daughters. Still some out there. Still are girls with a conservative family core belief system.

Yes, the "but" is that it's completely regional, and either cultural or also religious, and the "some" is likely an exceedingly small number. As we know, male/female is hard enough in general, you can't have 5 or 6 more things that make it unlikely to seem like a match might work. The smaller the pool gets the exponentially harder it gets to have marriages and families. Sad, but true.

 

[The Berean]

Well younger women in their 20's aren't gonna listen to you. Or me. Or really even guys in their age range.

Women are followers, thru and thru. They aren't independent minded, they weren't raised to be independent minded and they can easily be persuaded by propaganda/marketing/social influence. Frankly most can't even think 5-10 years down the road when guys were raised to think 30-50 years down the road. It's actually interesting that a 25 yr old women hasn't computed the longer term effect of being marriage-less at 30, but a 25 yr old guy will already be computing his 401K contributions and potential ROI 35+ years down the road.

Women don't chase careers because men told them to. They chase careers because feminists, marketing and social influence told them to. So that is the answer as to how and when they'll swing back to prioritizing family life.

The X factor is parents who have instilled the value of family in their daughters. Still some out there. Still are girls with a conservative family core belief system.

All good points. There are a small percentage of young women who do get it. I have a niece who married at age 20. She's only 27 years old today and has already given birth to three sons. And she and her husband want at least two more kids.

 

[Let God Arise]

With all the medical knowledge and information out there, women have almost no clue that they have like 1-2% of eggs left with a relatively inhospitable uterus? Amazing.

In the Information Age, ignorance is a deliberate choice.

 

[Let God Arise]

https://gorthodox.com/en/comment/how-to-marry-a-submissive-feminine-virgin-christian-girl

 

[Rax Moscow]

I suppose it's valid to critique when our society's values are wrong, but I struggle to find an answer other than "Who cares what they think" about it?

Not only in a general redpill sense of musing about the fleeting thoughts of women being futile, but, also because they are just wrong if they want a male fornicator as a partner.

The next step after reading a woman's mind is trying to determine the reasoning behind it. There isn't any.
Even if there were some "benefit" to bedding women, it's not like sex is a very complicated thing. It's like kissing. The first time you do it you will probably be a bit confused, but then it comes naturally pretty quickly and is pleasurable. I guess they are watching porn and want someone to perform acrobatic style stunts on their body?

I honestly couldn't care if women want slutty, or circumcised, or black, or rich men, etc. outside of it being a measure of a society's degeneracy that they do.

 

[Rax Moscow]

. With all the medical knowledge and information out there, women have almost no clue that they have like 1-2% of eggs left with a relatively inhospitable uterus? Amazing.

By age 40 there is already a 1 in 3 chance you are infertile.
If not, you have only one chance a month to try to conceive, and you only have a couple of years to do it, and then your chances drop to statistically nothing.

There's almost a 10% chance of infertility by age 30. Women are really designed to have kids at puberty (this is such a taboo that the study below doesn't even reveal the data before age 20).

Probably infertility is much higher today due to all the environmental toxins, vax, stress, obesity, etc. since this study was done.

 

[Samseau]

All of these topics have been discussed repeatedly, to death, very little practical action in here. I'm seriously debating if this thread belongs in the deep forum.

I will add that no woman actually cares if a man is a virgin or not. They cannot tell other than by "experience," which means she's not a virgin, which is a negative sign. Virgin women themselves cannot tell, and only get their queues from popular media. They have no idea about virginity other than that.

So any young guy concerned about being a virgin, the answer is not to think about it because it doesn't matter. It's 100% pysop.

 

[loremipsum]

All of these topics have been discussed repeatedly, to death, very little practical action in here. I'm seriously debating if this thread belongs in the deep forum.

I will add that no woman actually cares if a man is a virgin or not. They cannot tell other than by "experience," which means she's not a virgin, which is a negative sign. Virgin women themselves cannot tell, and only get their queues from popular media. They have no idea about virginity other than that.

So any young guy concerned about being a virgin, the answer is not to think about it because it doesn't matter. It's 100% pysop.

The old advice of PUA was to "just lose it bro, even to a hooker". Its a shame how many souls it must have affected, me included.

 

[Blade Runner]

https://gorthodox.com/en/comment/how-to-marry-a-submissive-feminine-virgin-christian-girl

That's only good at the end, because the end is the only relevant part = be willing to go to whatever length, place, country, etc.

He's been approached by all sorts of quality (mostly low I'm presuming, relatively speaking) asking for things to come on silver platters, I presume. That was the same response at the old forum. When you can barely find 18-24 year old women in church at all in your country, and men show up in these same churches at a 5-1 clip (or more), we all know the real answer.

I admit I don't go to Vespers often, or do things that are all the conducive to meeting tons of marriageable age women, but I also believe that's because I frankly don't know where to go and it seems quite obvious to me that there aren't that many women around. That's why I talk about overseas so much.

 

[Blade Runner]

The next step after reading a woman's mind is trying to determine the reasoning behind it. There isn't any.

Ha.

There's almost a 10% chance of infertility by age 30. Women are really designed to have kids at puberty (this is such a taboo that the study below doesn't even reveal the data before age 20).

Yes, we are now talking about more interesting things than the thread title, but this also must be mentioned, because the degree of delusion (rejection, denial) on what is attractive to men is also based on precisely this. I've told others that at age 28 (and many women have earlier first menses than age 14) you're 50% the way through any childbearing possibilities, but as you point out, the curve is asymptotal, so you're actually way closer to "game over" even by 30. This biological fact will show you that the window of value (in the mind's of all men), which is based on fertility (and of course is associated with looks, youth, beauty) is very early in a woman's life, and as a result of modern laws and egalitarianism, is sadly taboo. At this point, the best you are ever going to do is somehow show young women that at 18-20 it has to already be a serious consideration that you seek marriage. I don't see that happening until there are far fewer economic opportunities and/or a reset.

 

[Cornelius V.E.]

As just one data point:

Both my wife and her sister (both very attractive, early 20s and late teens, respectively) preferred (in the case of my wife) or prefer (in the case of my sister-in-law) to marry virgins (which I was when I was married). They are both extremely attractive practicing Orthodox women (and by practicing, I mean going above and beyond, involved in choirs, church activities, actively visiting monasteries, going on days other than Sundays, daily prayer life, etc). My wife had a really exceptional and ascetic spiritual father growing up who died in her late adolescence, and he was a big inspiration for her.

I think one major point is that men need to have outcome independence. Outcome independence communicates strength, which is extremely attractive. When I met my wife, I was seriously considering the monastic life, and I had reached a point spiritually where I was content to remain a virgin my entire life and had deep trust in God. I literally didn't care at all what anyone (even my wife) thought about me being a virgin, and I had had opportunities to lose my virginity previously that I had refused (many women found it amusing and tried to convince me out of it). I wasn't self-conscience about it and I wasn't seeking it like a slave (doing so communicates weakness).

Instead of worrying about whether women prefer virgins, just become the most attractive man possible and the perfect date. You will stand out, and you will become the prize. This is what women want. They don't want men who self-consciously worry about women's preferences and are so insecure that they will compromise their deeply held convictions in order to please others. There are millions of very attractive women around the world, but there are very, very few attractive men who actually have their life together in a way that can provide for a traditional family and who have the genuine inner strength to keep real outcome independence.

One other data point: over the course of my life, I've met some women like this in many different countries (including Western countries). I've also met girls like this who were protestant and Roman Catholic (not just Orthodox). They are out there, even in places like America and France. If you are a certain type of man and you find yourself in certain types of places, you will encounter these types of women.

 

[Blade Runner]

One other data point: over the course of my life, I've met some women like this in many different countries (including Western countries). I've also met girls like this who were protestant and Roman Catholic (not just Orthodox). They are out there, even in places like America and France. If you are a certain type of man and you find yourself in certain types of places, you will encounter these types of women.

Great post.

Yes, this is the hardest part of it all. Especially as you age, when you are only gaining or maintaining value in many ways, and the social connections part only gets worse. That's why I talk about overseas so much, because there aren't taboos if you do come across any age woman. In the west, these meetings are all restricted, if you even liked the culture that produces them in the first place (most of us don't) ...

 

[Cornelius V.E.]

Great post.

Yes, this is the hardest part of it all. Especially as you age, when you are only gaining or maintaining value in many ways, and the social connections part only gets worse. That's why I talk about overseas so much, because there aren't taboos if you do come across any age woman. In the west, these meetings are all restricted, if you even liked the culture that produces them in the first place (most of us don't) ...

Indeed. There's a reason I married a Romanian haha.

That being said, I know at least one really amazing and beautiful Orthodox woman in her early 30s (she's barely aged most likely from purity) who would be quite a catch for any man in his early to mid-40s (so unless you're older than that, I can say from personal experience at least that there's still hope). She is also a virgin and would prefer to marry a virgin (although I doubt it would be a deal-breaker for her if she met the right man and he was repentant). Most likely she will join the monastic life, but she hasn't fully decided yet.

The main message is that they are out there. You must pray and trust in God to help you find one (it only takes one), and also be grateful to follow God's will if marriage is not in your destiny. If you are in your early to mid-30s, then in basically any Orthodox country it's more than possible to find a traditional woman in her early to mid 20s who would be open to marrying you. Again though, these women are definitely not the majority in these countries. Authentic Christian practice, I think, has always been a minority phenomenon.

The key still is outcome independence. Leave your worries and deliberations with God and go to do the work you know that you need to do today to grow closer to Him. Outcome independence is extremely manly. And Christ, the perfect godman, who was the most masculine man to ever walk this earth, demonstrated outcome independence in his day-to-day relations like none other.

 

[Papist]

I have been quite surprised when I came across girls who I thought were "good girls" who obviously prefer men who are not virgins. This includes sheltered Muslims. It seems they like men to be experienced and they are the ones who tie them down.

It has been my experience that virgin girls still prefer men who "have experience". I guess their thinking is that they want 1) a man who knows what he's doing and she'll feel safer 2) a man who will make the first experience a memorable one and not awkward and embarrassing for her 3) she has heard all the stories from her friends and wants the first time to be a great story to share with same friends.

Sorry for being blunt, but I think VERY few girls want a virgin man. Likely only very young women who are ready to immediately settle down and start having a family with children. There are girls like this at my church and they are on the fence about whether to join a monastery or maybe start a family. That's how slim the options are, IMO.

In my experience, women want a high-status man and that means he is desirable to other women. Of course, it makes absolute sense from a biological perspective - they want a man with good genes, who is physically fit and able to provide for, and defend, his family. I have read many times that women compete for the top 20% of men, in terms of physical attractiveness, e.g https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/w...n-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research

Now, ask yourself this: What heterosexual, testosterone-fuelled 'Chad' in his late teens will be able to continually resist the temptation of an attractive, flirtatious woman?

I think most women would find a male virgin of a certain age to be either odd or undesirable. I remember, in my pre-Christian days, feeling I was a bit of a loser for losing my virginity at 17. How many of my friends' claims to have lost it at an earlier age were actually true, I've no idea. But I recall feeling that turning 18 and still being a virgin would mean that I wouldn't be a real man!

A desperate, involuntary-celibate man is very likely to be a turn-off for a woman simply because she will feel that he's low status and undesirable to other women.

 

[loremipsum]

In my experience, women want a high-status man and that means he is desirable to other women. Of course, it makes absolute sense from a biological perspective - they want a man with good genes, who is physically fit and able to provide for, and defend, his family. I have read many times that women compete for the top 20% of men, in terms of physical attractiveness, e.g https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/w...n-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research

Now, ask yourself this: What heterosexual, testosterone-fuelled 'Chad' in his late teens will be able to continually resist the temptation of an attractive, flirtatious woman?

I think most women would find a male virgin of a certain age to be either odd or undesirable. I remember, in my pre-Christian days, feeling I was a bit of a loser for losing my virginity at 17. How many of my friends' claims to have lost it at an earlier age were actually true, I've no idea. But I recall feeling that turning 18 and still being a virgin would mean that I wouldn't be a real man!

A desperate, involuntary-celibate man is very likely to be a turn-off for a woman simply because she will feel that he's low status and undesirable to other women.

Theres some truth to this as well.

But consider someone looking like Ryan Gosling, and being a virgin. No woman would care about the virgin thing, if anything they want to be the first one . It's the same old looks vs height vs experience vs money vs status etc. At some point you have to accept not every woman is going to like you, and

I will add that no woman actually cares if a man is a virgin or not. They cannot tell other than by "experience," which means she's not a virgin, which is a negative sign. Virgin women themselves cannot tell, and only get their queues from popular media. They have no idea about virginity other than that.

is something that anxious virgin Christians should drill into their brains.

 

[Papist]

Theres some truth to this as well.

But consider someone looking like Ryan Gosling, and being a virgin. No woman would care about the virgin thing, if anything they want to be the first one . It's the same old looks vs height vs experience vs money vs status etc. At some point you have to accept not every woman is going to like you, and

is something that anxious virgin Christians should drill into their brains.

If most women encountered a thirty year old Ryan Gosling who was a virgin, they would probably think to themselves 'What's the catch?'

Of course, if he met a woman in church and explained that he had been 'saving himself' she may well see that as laudable. I'm not sure she would believe him, though! It would literally be an odd thing, i.e. a highly unusual situation.

I will add that I think women are put off by men that sleep with hundreds of women, too, as they probably think he's not at all discerning and lives by that vulgar phrase 'any hole's a goal' (apologies); it would also imply he's not had many long-term relationships which might speak to his personality or ability to commit.

 

[Blade Runner]

But I recall feeling that turning 18 and still being a virgin would mean that I wouldn't be a real man!

That's because the culture you grew up in had lost any sanctity or reference to principled or traditional living. I experienced the same thing growing up, because that very culture was basically just open season. As a result, the other points you make in the other posts are in the same vein. It's so rare to meet people of the "old world" that have qualities that are also "of this world" that it keeps people guessing as to what the catch is, or what's going on, is he full of shit, etc.

Even long term relationship nonsense is just a trap that the "dating" culture sucked people into, which then they talked about afterwards (as failed relationships by definition, ironically) but not as bad things but rather as "experience." Of course, experience for a man can be a good thing, and usually is, but for women obviously it's bad. And that's why this forum is red pill, because it understands the realities of the sexes and society in this way.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

It's a bit of a strange question. You should remain a virgin until marriage regardless. Don't think too much about what women think, because they really don't think all that much. They largely just go with what society tells them, and yes, society tells them that a man with "experience" is good. But you should want a woman who is above believing in such psyops.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

Women and male virgins... interesting. Good news for the men is sex is intuitive. Part of that whole monkey thing you know, unless you really mess it up…. Iykyk… women probably won’t notice or care if you don’t say. Even Chad lays mediocre pipe at times or is too fast for cash.

What’s more important is discernment of what happens next. If you know what’s good for you, you want a wife and will only want to be with her. You know, a woman who will walk the path with you. A lay can be achieved with some cash and a plane ticket to Amsterdam. I’m not endorsing sin btw, just trying to make a point. It’s not special.

What difference does it make if you paid in Amsterdam or you’re Leo and are throwing your celeb weight around? Either way, it’s a transaction. Even if you’re a virgin, if you’re looking for a wife avoid transactions like the plague. It’s better to be alone than be in a transactional relationship, no matter if it’s based on your ability to “deliver,” your money or whatever.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

A desperate, involuntary-celibate man is very likely to be a turn-off for a woman simply because she will feel that he's low status and undesirable to other women.

This part really captures how men and women are different and how our society has exploited that. Women can’t discern value unless it’s queued by others, which is why they’re so easy to manipulate. Meanwhile, a man doesn’t care what other people think of his partner as long as he thinks she is beautiful and he gets along well with her. The movie “Shallow Hal” put this best in perspective, as the main Character is dating what he believes is a beautiful woman and at the same time all his friends think she is ugly, but that doesn’t matter to him.