Hitler versus Rothschild: the Logistics and Background of World War Two

Looks like Music was banned, he can still come back and comment from a new account. I have nothing more to say about these invented atrocities against the German minority in pre-war Poland. Anyway, he dumps his questionable info here indiscriminately, good and bad, so I'll counter with mine, the reader decides.

Let me give a neater quote from one of the sources above, which really summarizes everything curious people need to know about those false flag attacks, in one case two German perpetrators were caught by the Polish police in August of 1939, after detonating a bomb in front of a German National fraternity building.

The timing of events (highlighted in bold) as provided in this article from 2009, agrees with that from his comment:

Made-up incidents? Even mainstream historical accounts acknowledge the persecution of Germans in Polish-held territories.

There were issues with Poland going back over a year. The massacres didn't start getting bad until March 1939.



The German Intelligence Service had been creating combat and sabotage organizations in Poland since February 1939. Among the agents and saboteurs were Polish citizens of German nationality, also serving in the Polish Army, from Silesia, Greater Poland, Kuyavia, Pomerania and Eastern Lesser Poland. These groups carried out the most actions in August 1939 and in the first days of the war.

German sabotage organizations not only gathered intelligence information and information about the most important figures in Polish public life, whose names were placed on proscription lists, but also tried to provide the Third Reich authorities with pretexts to unleash a smear campaign against Poland. In order to deepen anti-German sentiment in Poland, the Third Reich intelligence services spread false and disturbing news. They also organized attacks on homes and farms belonging to Germans. The culmination of these activities was a series of bomb attacks on German property in the last decade of August 1939. The perpetrators were agents of the Security Service (Sicherheitsdienst, SD) of Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler, which had also been involved in preparing sabotage operations in Poland since at least the spring of 1939.

Among the facilities to be blown up or set on fire were, among others: headquarters of German organizations, publishing houses and printing houses owned by Germans, schools belonging to the German minority, German monuments, a pontoon bridge in the Free City of Gdańsk, as well as mills, sawmills, shops, bookstores and farms belonging to famous Volksdeutsche.

Historians have managed to establish, mainly thanks to the research of Karol Marian Pospieszalski, that only a few dozen attacks were included in the plans of the Reichsführer SS. Thanks to the publication of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs "Dokumente zur Vorgeschichte des Krieges" published in 1939, containing a compilation of official reports on border incidents, it is known that in the last days of August the German police informed the authorities in Berlin about Poles setting fire to German farms located in border towns. All these places were included in the plan of attacks of the Reichsführer SS, so it can be assumed that they were German provocations.

Determining the execution of several subsequent attacks turned out to be possible based on reports from the Polish press, which wrote about mysterious fires of German farms in the Poznań province and explosions of explosives in Zaolzie. On the night of 23-24 August in Cieszyn, bombs planted under the Schiller monument, in front of the monument to those killed in World War I, the Prochaska printing house and the Kutzer printing house, next to the Polonia hotel, exploded.

Information about some of the attacks can be found in preserved materials of the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Thanks to them, we know that on the night of August 25-26 in Poznań there was a bomb explosion in front of the JdP office and "an explosion of explosives in front of a German bookshop, whose owner distributed anti-Polish prints from Germany". On August 27, unknown perpetrators were supposed to have demolished the marina of the German rowing club in Grudziądz. The Polish authorities, not knowing about the Reichsführer SS's plan of attacks, considered these events as manifestations of anti-German speeches.

State Police documents from the Silesian Voivodeship confirm the execution of the attacks in Katowice. On the night of August 25-26, a few minutes after 1 a.m., bombs exploded in front of the Deutscher Volksbund headquarters on Młyńska Street and in the building of the German school on Stalowa Street. The perpetrators of the attacks, Eichhorn and Funk, were detained by the Polish police; during the investigation, they admitted that they were SD agents.

Three attacks in Silesia were prevented by the police. In Bielsko, the arrests of saboteurs prevented the blowing up of the offices of the German newspaper "Aufbruch", the headquarters of the JdP Main Board and the villa of Rudolf Wiesner. However, there was an explosion of explosives stored in five suitcases in the premises belonging to one of the attackers - Wiktor Köning from Biała near Bielsko (28 August at 2:00).



Article link in Polish.

In the future I'll address how a few years before the war started, Hitler had attempted several times to enlist Poland into his military expedition against the USSR. Which blows the argument of attacking Poland in retaliation for these made-up atrocities, out of the water. The goal had always been to wage war on the Soviets. The Germans were promising us a bounty in the form of captured territories in the east, while painting optimistic visions of success, saying the inclusion of each one Polish army division, would tie up the Red Army, ensuring the survival of five German ones, and increase their operational effectiveness.

All of those offers were rejected for varying reasons, originally by Pilsudski himself, as our status wouldn't have been that of equals, but of a 'protectorate'. Realizing there was no use trying anymore, the Germans needed to manufacture a good pretext to attack us, and hence these "massacres" had to be invented, in addition to old territorial grievances, so that the Wehrmacht could go through the Polish territory.

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Reposting one more relevant thing, since we're on a new page. The Bromberg Massacre, Music brought up in one of his replies is described towards the end, and some confusion clarified:



In 1939, many sabotage actions took place in Poland, inspired by the German secret services.

On April 28, 1939, the Third Reich terminated the Polish-German non-aggression pact. The natural effect of this situation was to aggravate relations between Poles and the German minority living in the Republic. There were both anti-Polish and anti-German demonstrations. Additionally, German secret services conducted activities aimed at spreading unrest and provoking provocations. They were to present the German troops' attack on Poland as a campaign of retaliation against a series of aggressions on the Polish side, which would justify it in the eyes of international public opinion. In Germany, a secret cell was established to coordinate the activities of the German minority in Poland, called the so-called Committee of Six. Already in the spring of 1939, Polish counterintelligence arrested several dozen people on charges of espionage for Germany.

In the summer, there were a number of attacks on Polish border posts, railway stations and industrial facilities in the border zone. Saboteurs from Germany placed bombs in facilities belonging to the German minority, including German schools. Terrorist attacks also occurred deep in Polish territory. At the end of August, a member of the German national minority from Bielsko placed two suitcases loaded with explosives in the railway station in Tarnów. Twenty people died in the explosion, and one third of the station building was destroyed. The number of victims could have been higher, as a transport of Polish soldiers left the station a few minutes before the explosion, and the train from Kraków was late in arriving.

On the eve of the outbreak of World War II, the Third Reich's security services carried out a series of provocations as part of Operation Himmler. The most famous of these was the Gliwice provocation. Before the war, Gliwice belonged to Germany territorially. On August 31, 1939, a seven-person group of Germans posing as Poles broke into the building of the local radio station. One of the attackers began reading a previously prepared message, but after a few words the radio fell silent for unknown reasons. The provocation turned out to be an embarrassment for the organizers. However, this did not hinder German propaganda. Two hours after the "attack", all transmitters of the Deutschlandsender radio station broadcast extensive information about "Polish provocations".

Part of the German sabotage operations aimed to seize strategically important objects. An example of such an operation is the so-called Jabłonków incident. In the vicinity of the town of Mosty near Jabłonków there was a three-hundred-meter railway tunnel, which was one of the most important communication passages through the main ridge of the Carpathians. Its capture by the Germans could have ensured a quick transfer of troops to Polish territory. To avoid this, the Poles mined the tunnel. According to the original German plans, the aggression against Poland was to begin in the morning of August 26, 1939. The attack was called off at the last minute by Adolf Hitler, who was afraid of the consequences of the Polish-British alliance. The order to change the date of the attack did not reach the group of saboteurs, who set off in the evening to take over the object. The Polish personnel of the tunnel did not allow themselves to be surprised and held their positions.

A dozen or so minutes before the German invasion began, a sabotage group tried to seize the bridges in Tczew, where the railway line from the Reich to East Prussia ran. The Germans intercepted two Polish steam locomotives on the border and sent a train with an assault group as a planned transit train. The operation ended in failure thanks to Polish railway workers who directed the approaching train onto a dead end. Polish sappers blew up the bridges and the Germans had no convenient connection with Prussia until the construction of a new bridge was completed in 1940.

Since the first aggression of the Third Reich against Poland, some members of the German minority organized numerous sabotage actions against Polish soldiers. Parachutists also carried out such actions. Telephone lines were cut en masse, railway tracks were sabotaged, and disinformation was spread. The saboteurs often appeared in Polish uniforms. Units of the sabotage Freikorps Ebbinghaus attempted to occupy some Silesian cities. The German so-called fifth gathered intelligence information, including on the location of the Polish highest authorities.

On September 3, retreating Polish troops were fired upon from several locations in Bydgoszcz [aka Bromberg]. A fight broke out, and the army began to catch saboteurs. Several hundred suspects were detained. In accordance with the martial law, people in civilian clothes who possessed weapons were shot. In the heat of the moment, innocent Germans were also murdered. After several hours, the situation seemed under control, but the attacks on Polish troops were repeated at night and the next day. This time, soldiers shot all suspects on the spot. On September 5, Wehrmacht troops entered the city. Several hundred Poles were shot in the first week of the occupation of Bydgoszcz. By the end of 1939, about five thousand residents of Bydgoszcz and the Bydgoszcz district had died in executions. The events of September 3 and 4, under the name "Bromberger Blutsonntag" (Bydgoszcz Bloody Sunday), were used by the propaganda of the Third Reich.

Thanks to the denunciations of some of the German minority living in the pre-war Polish Republic, many Poles were found on the so-called list of enemies of the Reich. This data was used in the elimination of Polish intelligentsia, members of local authorities, political activists, war veterans, declared patriots, representatives of the world of culture and science, conducted from the first day of the war.

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You are as bad in your judaising as a protestant. Actually, you glow too much to be even that. How much do they pay you for gate-keeping this forum?

Hitler bad but muh Trump good.

You're paranoid. You can praise uncle Adolf to the high heavens here, or curse him, do him all the justice you think he deserves.

Normally, an infiltrator will attempt to use Nazi themes and ideas, so the mods are on alert, knowing there are dedicated forums for the Reich fans without 'gatekeepers'. People look for better cult figures to unite around on CiK. Many barbers have more common sense than Hitler did.

This is a Christian place, Hitler legalized abortion in occupied Poland in 1943, up until then he still believed he would win, and needed economic slaves. He ordered Himmler, and the governor general Hans Frank, to promote it among women and girls, expediting the annihilation of the most innocent.

Where I grew up, one Jew who converted to Catholicism, which devastated his family, was shot along with his Polish wife and children.

Trump is a normal man with emotions. He orders air strikes and people get killed, not different than other presidents, not in Hitler's league.
 
do him all the justice you think he deserves
People like you or Samsu don't understand that being Christian obligates us to do justice to anything and anyone. If we skew our judgement because of our emotions or agendas like Samsu does here then we don't have the truth, we don't actually differ from anyone else, the trust is lost and such a person can lie about other things. This is the real problem here, I see people that are using lies to put the discourse at their agenda which immediately flags them as untrustworthy in my eyes.

The last sentence is absurd off it's face. You condemn Hitler but are trying to sell a zionist maniac not understanding that it would also fit the other way round depending on the times:

'Hitler is a normal man with emotions. He orders air strikes and people get killed, not different than other presidents, not in Trump's league.'
 
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People like you or Samsu don't understand that being Christian obligates us to do justice to anything and anyone.

Hello, 98% of Christians do not support Hitler. For good reasons, and for dumb normie reasons, but no one supports the guy. He was a failure and you're delusion. The idea that you think being a good Christian equates to supporting Hitler is a fringe view and you should probably talk to your Priest about it.
 
Hello, 98% of Christians do not support Hitler. For good reasons, and for dumb normie reasons, but no one supports the guy. He was a failure and you're delusion. The idea that you think being a good Christian equates to supporting Hitler is a fringe view and you should probably talk to your Priest about it.
The most cognitively dissonant thing (for you) is that I don't 'support' the guy, nor NSDAP, nor do I secretly heil in the shadows. In fact I don't feel one way or the other, it's not my people and not my country. I post these podcasts to show what an honest discourse looks like. Here it is not. Being a supporter and giving credit when it's due based on honest historical judgement are two different things that require subtlety to separate which you won't apply here. Why? As I said, you're willing to lie to try and sell us some judaic agenda to keep the forum on the reservation. It's obvious now for everyone to see. You pushed too far and exposed yourself. Falling into extremes, throwing everything into one basket and total condemnation when things never work like that is an intellectual insincerity to all and glaring exposure of ulterior motive. You do the same thing when it comes to Trump, just in reverse. What it serves is to keep the overton window in the pro-zionist position. Shame. Shame. Stop before you tikkun olam this forum. I'm not going to carry on with this topic because you brought it down to a level that's equal to today's university system - a leftist hellscape where no truth is acceptable if it doesn't tow the line, here with a Christian twist. It's grotesque. There is no point in it too because every time when someone will outweigh you with argumentation and expose you as the gate-keeper you're just going to abuse your privileges and throw them off 'campus'. So much for this forum.
 
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The most cognitively dissonant thing (for you) is that I don't 'support' the guy, nor NSDAP, nor do I secretly heil in the shadows. In fact I don't feel one way or the other, it's not my people and not my country. I post these podcasts to show what an honest discourse looks like. Here it is not. Being a supporter and giving credit when it's due based on honest historical judgement are two different things that require subtlety to separate which you won't apply here. Why? As I said, you're willing to lie to try and sell us some judaic agenda to keep the forum on the reservation. It's obvious now for everyone to see. You pushed too far and exposed yourself. Falling into extremes, throwing everything into one basket and total condemnation when things never work like that is an intellectual insincerity to all and glaring exposure of ulterior motive. You do the same thing when it comes to Trump, just in reverse. What it serves is to keep the overton window in the pro-zionist position. Shame. Shame. Stop before you tikkun olam this forum. I'm not going to carry on with this topic because you brought it down to a level that's equal to today's university system - a leftist hellscape where no truth is acceptable if it doesn't tow the line, here with a Christian twist. It's grotesque. There is no point in it too because every time when someone will outweigh you with argumentation and expose you as the gate-keeper you're just going to abuse your privileges and throw them off 'campus'. So much for this forum.

Ah yes, anyone who disagrees with you must be part of the judiac agenda. Still not going to speak to your Priest I see, do you even go to Church? I will pray for you.
 
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Ah yes, anyone who disagrees with you must be part of the judiac agenda. Still not going to speak to your Priest I see, do you even go to Church? I will pray for you.
According to your logic EMJ should also confess for writing Barren Metal and being intellectually honest, or dr. Johnson, or all those guys like Thomas777. No, you are the problem, you are the dishonest one who should go to a priest to discuss your judaising.
 
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Another conclusion that can be taken from this is that a mod engaging in regular discourse breeds another set of problems for the forum. It's like a member of one team being the referee too. It doesn't take a genius to figure where will that lead and in fact it already has.
 
Another conclusion that can be taken from this is that a mod engaging in regular discourse breeds another set of problems for the forum. It's like a member of one team being the referee too. It doesn't take a genius to figure where will that lead and in fact it already has.

It doesn't take a genius to see that you are incapable of having a rational discussion on this topic and you'd be banned regardless of whomever the mod is.

By the way, both my Priest and Bishop would say you're a lost soul as is anyone who admires Hitler.
 
Admires? You lost your marbles. Just because I go against you hard doesn't mean I have any sympathy for this man. I 'admire' him as much as I 'admire' Trump. They are both AntiChrist figures. But you have to use this deceitful wording to maintain your agenda because if you admit subtlety in the subject you will lose grip of the cover you forcefully stretched and pulled over our heads.

I've been exceptionally honest with you both in this topic and Trumps but you purposefully forget both my posts so I will remind them.
Listen Samsu, I get what you are doing here and I agree, no future battles will be won under these banners and I see how someone would not want this idea to propagate across the forum. What I'm concerned about is truth above anything else and the way you try to sway the discourse with skewing facts and producing alternative history is a disservice to the intellect of the men here who are more than able to come up with healthy conclusions themselves. Don't do it, it works against you and is not the proper method.
Looking at all of this from a big picture perspective I see two factions of jews (secular from EU and zionist from US) fighting over the carcass of the old Christian world for the helm of the new world order in the west. That's the true score. Does Trump actions mean the boot on our guys neck is let off some degree? Yes and I'll take it for what it's worth, especially if it brings the EU down. Just remember that none of the things that are happening are ultimately meant for our (Christians) benefit, if we get some crumbs it only means they fell from our overlords mouth. When they finally settle it out between themselves they will move on us for the final kill, be it EU, Trump or Israhell. With that in mind I proceed with caution knowing that the world hates me as it hated Christ and that He is the only one who cares for me.
I've done what you can't - corrected my opinion when I saw actions that are good. To me truth is the only thing that matters and I don't care who holds it.

By the way, my Priest would say you're anathema as is anyone who admires yarmulke wearing, Talmud praying, zionist goy.
 
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It doesn't take a genius to see that you are incapable of having a rational discussion on this topic and you'd be banned regardless of whomever the mod is.

By the way, both my Priest and Bishop would say you're a lost soul as is anyone who admires Hitler.
Dude, this is a massive cope.
 
How much do they pay you (Samseau) for gate-keeping this forum?
This is a huge claim that requires you to lay out a multi-paragraph explanation with your reasoning and "proof." You can't just drop accusations like this and then continue on with your attempt(s) to discredit a highly repped mod as if nothing happened. I get it, you (and some others here) don't like Samseau, but you can't just go around saying he's a "paid gatekeeper" without proof. And if you cannot come up with proof or a convincing argument then you should be banned. You, ginsu, Shaquilleoatmeal, It_Is_My_Time, and Nevsky (somebody's sock puppet account) would already have been banned if I was moderator and you talked to me in such disrespectful tones and/or liked comments that talked to me in such ways.

I know we have some weird shenanigans going on here. This is one reason I wanted to have an extended meet up with members here in person as a vetting process (and to talk privately and more in depth about America's problems and potential solutions to these problems) because I believe we have some liars and "fakes" on here who are "clogging up" the forum and need to be exposed and banned (another reason for hosting a meet up was I was hoping to make atleast one real world friend here before I go off-grid and internet dark but that doesn't look like that's going to happen). There are some here who are not who they say they are and for them this is some kind of sick and twisted attention whoring troll game "joke." So if you say that Samseau (or anyone else) here is not operating in good faith lay out your case. I'm all ears.
 
You've got a problem with being an ungrateful faggot. Why don't you and your bros go start your own forum where you can be the mods and run things perfectly?

Don't let these guys get a rise out of you, this is no different than handling the flat earthers, the "space is fake" crowd, etc. Deniers of reality are dudes with either no jobs or serious emotional issues who need a pet cause to feel superior over, it's a pride thing to compensate for something else in their life.
 
Admires? You lost your marbles. Just because I go against you hard doesn't mean I have any sympathy for this man. I 'admire' him as much as I 'admire' Trump. They are both AntiChrist figures. But you have to use this deceitful wording to maintain your agenda because if you admit subtlety in the subject you will lose grip of the cover you forcefully stretched and pulled over our heads.

I've been exceptionally honest with you both in this topic and Trumps but you purposefully forget both my posts so I will remind them.


I've done what you can't - corrected my opinion when I saw actions that are good. To me truth is the only thing that matters and I don't care who holds it.

By the way, my Priest would say you're anathema as is anyone who admires yarmulke wearing, Talmud praying, zionist goy.

Your Priest said no such thing about the President of the United States, in fact at every Orthodox Divine Liturgy there is a prayer for the leader of the United States and all armed and civil forces. Your Priest would be declaring half of the USA to be anathema, you've obviously never even spoken to him about it.

Please, continue to expose yourself as someone who doesn't go to Church.

As for you not "admiring" Hitler, yet you post defense after defense of one of the most disastrous commanders of all time, and even grow angry at anyone who points why you're wrong and why Hitler was a trashcan commander. The fact you grow angry is a sign of deep spiritual issues as well, there's no reason to make Hitler a personal enough issue to grow angry over. Like I said, I've prayed for you and will continue to do so.
 
Your Priest said no such thing about the President of the United States, in fact at every Orthodox Divine Liturgy there is a prayer for the leader of the United States and all armed and civil forces. Your Priest would be declaring half of the USA to be anathema, you've obviously never even spoken to him about it.
What makes you think I attend in US? XD What a laughable cope. You won't succeed at trying to faith shame me. When you used your priest and bishop to get ahead you also told a lie. None would ever in good faith condemn anyone to be a lost soul - irredeemable.

As for you not "admiring" Hitler, yet you post defense after defense of one of the most disastrous commanders of all time, and even grow angry at anyone who points why you're wrong and why Hitler was a trashcan commander. The fact you grow angry is a sign of deep spiritual issues as well, there's no reason to make Hitler a personal enough issue to grow angry over. Like I said, I've prayed for you and will continue to do so.
The only thing I get angry with are lies. Nothing irritates me more than the stench of lies. Now I'm almost certain of what I suspected. It was obvious Roosh would get an assigned operative. I just didn't know who it was.
 
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