Internet Turned to a Pile of Garbage (rant).

Social media sites are censoring content even more than msm. You can see a clip on tv and if it goes to a social media app it might be censored.

Censorship and lack of anonymity damaged the internet. Cause everything you say or write is recorded forever. It’s just a wasteland of political correctness. As I write this a cop a fed a judge might be reading it.

If a speak with a group of friends nobody else is listening. This is not possible online. Online everything you say can be used against you.

YouTube still ok to listen to songs. And browsing old forums. But it was Facebook and it’s monitoring that made people afraid of posting content. Suddenly you started hearing news about people being arrested because of what they wrote on Facebook. As if the state had the right to monitor people speech.

Nowadays I check telegram channels. But it’s not the same.

Search engines are also censored. You get 1-2 pages per subject. Before 20-50.
 
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I hate most social media with a passion. Never had Instagram and deleted Facebook about 7-8 years ago. It's annoying how most people use it. A lot of them even admit that it's terrible but are too addicted to let it go.

I still use JewTube because there are great channels and videos on there, but their censoring and leadership/employees can screw off. JewTube and this forum are probably 80% of my internet usage.
 
OldSchoolCatholic said:
Not to mention the dating world for men would be infinitely better if social media stopped existing. Imagine female options going from hundreds to thousands per day to just the ones in her circle. The egos would drop almost overnight.
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I think dating apps are literally from the devil. Social media can be good for certain informative ways but is almost always abused by women seeking attention and by the government tracking and trying to speak for you.
 
The commercialization / profit of the internet killed it.
When it was something you just did because you were a student or a nerd, it was fun. I remember writing down website names and ftp sites from magazines into a notebook so that I could research them later. Don't care about much outside Daily Stormer and this and a couple of hobby sites now. Heck I barely use email its so full of spam.

They even want you to pay now to PIRATE THINGS! (Hey, don't torrent, sign up for a Premium Real Debrid Membership)

Amazon is one of the worst. I've started checking their prices recently and have yet to find an item they have at a lower price than my local store. Of course, they pushed the whole tax free angle and put many competitors out of business before suddenly reversing course and saying "Oh actually we want to tax everything on the internet now that our competition is gone, and we don't even need a new law passed, the court will just say you gotta pay an extra 10% on everything you buy now." And since then their prices are a good 20% to 50% higher than my local store but a lot of people got hooked on the convenience (covid-19 coincidence?) and still assume Amazon is cheaper, because they did used to be. Amazon is more expensive than local stores for real products, and so many of its products are no name junk that just doesn't work.

My Amazon delivery driver takes a photo of the package when he drops it off, I guess to confirm delivery and say it's not their fault if something is stolen at that point. In the last delivery, it's pouring down rain, and the guy takes the photo of the rain pouring down on the package, with my covered porch IN THE VERY BACKGROUND OF THE IMAGE. That's right, he was too lazy to walk up a couple of stairs, and just left the package in the rain, and then took a picture of my dry porch in the background of a soaking wet box.

But what is the point of e-commerce if it is more expensive and scammy than regular commerce? It provides no benefit. Oh and good luck finding ANY real reviews. Maybe some VERY old and established tech outfit like Anandtech might still do a legit review but almost everything you find is a paid advertisement. It's like the old Kratom articles on ROK except you cannot tell that these are ads. Unless you read a bunch of them and realize "hmm the language in this "Forbes" review is almost identical to the Buzzfeed review I just read."

Internet search is purposefully broken. Real info is censored / removed / deleted and regardless of what you search for, you are directed to where the advertiser wants you to go. You can prove this by typing in a fake phrase like "Ramadan Bacon Deliveries" and you will get thousands of "results" that don't have those words.

Youtube has really ratcheted up the ads lately. I've had hardware router level ad blocking for years, so I never see any ads except sometimes youtube since they are hard to block, but lately they have moved to 30 second required ads that you cannot even skip! And every ad is fake scammy products. It's gotten really bad--just search reddit and you will find tons of cursing angry redditors who are fed up with youtube (and these are the kinds of guys who normally defend internet advertising).

If I leave youtube on in the background, sometimes it starts playing a THIRTY MINUTE OR HOUR LONG AD.

If you are lucky, in a few niches like cars or computers, there might be an online forum where you can find a real answer, but almost everything else is dominated by fake AI or female written websites trying to trick you into downloading scammy software or give them money. The internet is so badly censored that I frequently have to use the human garbage cesspit of Reddit to get answers to questions because it is about the only site left that is just a forum of real people giving real answers instead of paid product placements.

That's a very good point about the feminization of the net though. When you search for something like "what is the command to backup files in Windows" and you get 8 pages of long form paragraphs about "Backing up files is a good way to protect your documents from being accidentally deleted or erased. Some people like to back up important files or folders, while others their whole hard drives. KrazyKids BackupPlus Advance Drive Copier Platinum is a free software program you can download that can help you copy files" that is JUST like asking your girlfriend a simple question where her rambling answer just confuses you.

Podcasts are now being ruined. There is a new method where the company hosting the podcast (NOT Apple Podcasts, NOT the podcast creator, NOT the app [all of those can insert their own ads additionally]) will insert customized ads into the mp3 file of the original audio and then you download a new audio file full of interspersed ads. They are embedded at the time of download into the mp3 so I don't know how you could block them. Often they will just start playing in the middle of a sentence, because the author has no control over the timing. The one I'm getting now is an annoying T Mobile ad which repeats TWICE in a row each time it plays, and does this about 4 times per podcast.

OnlyFans? The mere fact that we even allow a company like that to exist in our society is all the proof I need for me to willingly surrender to any foreign power, should they ever decide to invade America. Anyone allowing young girls to legally and publicly prostitute themselves like this needs to be redacted violently.

Also, OT but the slutty girl at the gym thing has REALLY gotten out of control. I've never seen such provocative clothing at the gym before. It's shocking and difficult to ignore. I haven't seen many of my ex girlfriends in such states of undress.

But then there's you guys. I love you guys. I really do.
 
The internet was never great, and forums/chats were a poor substitute for the real thing unless you were part of a good, tailored community.

It’s always been hard to find good information. This idea that you can go online and have some archaeologist tell you where some piece of pottery comes from is just false marketing. You may experience that after A LOT of effort. People claim this happens on Reddit, but it doesn’t. Turns out 99 percent of people, myself included, barely know anything. The so-called experts don’t really waste their time answering questions and citing their sources online. Most self proclaimed “experts” online are just people who will say something “the Greeks were gay, this is what my college text book said, let me grab you a quote, I can also give you some book recommendations”.

The “autists will create open-source incredible software and vidya” is also a pipe dream. It happens, but not at scale. It’s not the autists fault, obviously we have Linux, it’s just a gigantic time sink with too little volunteers, too many expenses, so naturally people just charge money for most things.

I agree the centralization has created a lot of problems, especially censorship and social media, but it also improved the internet in some ways. Without centralization you would be browsing forums and something like newgrounds.com anyway. The reason Amazon is popular is because it’s actually good. Since when do brick and mortar stores sell high quality products at rock bottom prices?

I’m not defending corporations but the internet has always underdelivered for us bored, simpleton peasants. I agree with Anglin, AI is a great thing.
 
Rax Moscow said:
The commercialization / profit of the internet killed it.
When it was something you just did because you were a student or a nerd, it was fun. I remember writing down website names and ftp sites from magazines into a notebook so that I could research them later. Don't care about much outside Daily Stormer and this and a couple of hobby sites now. Heck I barely use email its so full of spam.

They even want you to pay now to PIRATE THINGS! (Hey, don't torrent, sign up for a Premium Real Debrid Membership)

Amazon is one of the worst. I've started checking their prices recently and have yet to find an item they have at a lower price than my local store. Of course, they pushed the whole tax free angle and put many competitors out of business before suddenly reversing course and saying "Oh actually we want to tax everything on the internet now that our competition is gone, and we don't even need a new law passed, the court will just say you gotta pay an extra 10% on everything you buy now." And since then their prices are a good 20% to 50% higher than my local store but a lot of people got hooked on the convenience (covid-19 coincidence?) and still assume Amazon is cheaper, because they did used to be. Amazon is more expensive than local stores for real products, and so many of its products are no name junk that just doesn't work.

My Amazon delivery driver takes a photo of the package when he drops it off, I guess to confirm delivery and say it's not their fault if something is stolen at that point. In the last delivery, it's pouring down rain, and the guy takes the photo of the rain pouring down on the package, with my covered porch IN THE VERY BACKGROUND OF THE IMAGE. That's right, he was too lazy to walk up a couple of stairs, and just left the package in the rain, and then took a picture of my dry porch in the background of a soaking wet box.

But what is the point of e-commerce if it is more expensive and scammy than regular commerce? It provides no benefit. Oh and good luck finding ANY real reviews. Maybe some VERY old and established tech outfit like Anandtech might still do a legit review but almost everything you find is a paid advertisement. It's like the old Kratom articles on ROK except you cannot tell that these are ads. Unless you read a bunch of them and realize "hmm the language in this "Forbes" review is almost identical to the Buzzfeed review I just read."

Internet search is purposefully broken. Real info is censored / removed / deleted and regardless of what you search for, you are directed to where the advertiser wants you to go. You can prove this by typing in a fake phrase like "Ramadan Bacon Deliveries" and you will get thousands of "results" that don't have those words.

Youtube has really ratcheted up the ads lately. I've had hardware router level ad blocking for years, so I never see any ads except sometimes youtube since they are hard to block, but lately they have moved to 30 second required ads that you cannot even skip! And every ad is fake scammy products. It's gotten really bad--just search reddit and you will find tons of cursing angry redditors who are fed up with youtube (and these are the kinds of guys who normally defend internet advertising).

If I leave youtube on in the background, sometimes it starts playing a THIRTY MINUTE OR HOUR LONG AD.

If you are lucky, in a few niches like cars or computers, there might be an online forum where you can find a real answer, but almost everything else is dominated by fake AI or female written websites trying to trick you into downloading scammy software or give them money. The internet is so badly censored that I frequently have to use the human garbage cesspit of Reddit to get answers to questions because it is about the only site left that is just a forum of real people giving real answers instead of paid product placements.

That's a very good point about the feminization of the net though. When you search for something like "what is the command to backup files in Windows" and you get 8 pages of long form paragraphs about "Backing up files is a good way to protect your documents from being accidentally deleted or erased. Some people like to back up important files or folders, while others their whole hard drives. KrazyKids BackupPlus Advance Drive Copier Platinum is a free software program you can download that can help you copy files" that is JUST like asking your girlfriend a simple question where her rambling answer just confuses you.

Podcasts are now being ruined. There is a new method where the company hosting the podcast (NOT Apple Podcasts, NOT the podcast creator, NOT the app [all of those can insert their own ads additionally]) will insert customized ads into the mp3 file of the original audio and then you download a new audio file full of interspersed ads. They are embedded at the time of download into the mp3 so I don't know how you could block them. Often they will just start playing in the middle of a sentence, because the author has no control over the timing. The one I'm getting now is an annoying T Mobile ad which repeats TWICE in a row each time it plays, and does this about 4 times per podcast.

OnlyFans? The mere fact that we even allow a company like that to exist in our society is all the proof I need for me to willingly surrender to any foreign power, should they ever decide to invade America. Anyone allowing young girls to legally and publicly prostitute themselves like this needs to be redacted violently.

Also, OT but the slutty girl at the gym thing has REALLY gotten out of control. I've never seen such provocative clothing at the gym before. It's shocking and difficult to ignore. I haven't seen many of my ex girlfriends in such states of undress.

But then there's you guys. I love you guys. I really do.
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Awesome post. That's it.

I relate fully.

And you gave me a good laugh 😂
"Ramadan Bacon Deliveries"
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You just sum it up, I realize I also passionately hate the internet. What has it become?

Podcasts you're right, the gym, crazy, yesterday I was at the gym with some girls squatting in these tight pants, wtf is that? You would hope a father or brother comes in and smacks her in the face and says, wtf are you doing here? and takes her home and gives her home arrest.

Internet search is purposefully broken. Real info is censored / removed / deleted and regardless of what you search for, you are directed to where the advertiser wants you to go. You can prove this by typing in a fake phrase like "Ramadan Bacon Deliveries" and you will get thousands of "results" that don't have those words.
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I would love the Google 2002 search engine back. But even back then, this pagerank algorithm promoted everything which was linked by the state or stanford. (authority based ranking) Though it wasn't so manipulated.

Reading of many you here, I feel like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. The formerly cool water is slowly hurting me.

It's a feeling of nostalgia.

Pirating. And every pirate group has been commercialized. Torrents -> Netflix & Spotify

The extreme tracking on websites. Many news sites, load +30 external sites who download your data.

Not to forget the state is able to download your car movements (thanks tesla and electrification)

Whole of life has been legalized in these small boxes , controlled, actually its the dream of the ruler.

Private life has become accessible.

I feel I need to go further in using the internet/computers just as a tool, like a wrench, only intentional use.

There is a severe high price to using the web/computers/smartphones which only slowly appears. Short term feels good, long term destructive.
 
It is great to complain about how bad the internet is, but what would the actionable steps be to taking it back (if only for yourself)?

I can think of a few things to begin with:

1. Self Host your own website and data (don't use the databrokers - Google et al.)
2. Use free and open source alternatives - A lot of the time they are far better than the proprietary apps and software
3. Get off social media. If you are to post on the internet, use the classic blog or if you're inclined toward video, I still believe Youtube (and its alternatives) to be valuable. If you are to use social media, only post, do not scroll (easier said than done)
4. Understand that the internet is a supplement for real world interaction, but not a replacement - so get people offline as much as possible and create community not just on a screen.

Any other thoughts?
 
I still like Facebook. I mainly use it to talk to strangers about various hobbies and interests. Also, when I'm waiting for something to compile or deploy at work, I scroll through and find funny or interesting posts and videos I repost and later show to my wife. It's kind of a tradition, something fun we do, like how my mom and dad like to put together jigsaw puzzles while chit chatting with each other.

It is kind of interesting to see what people I knew long ago in various other stages of my life are up to, but I no longer go around "friending" people of anything like that. And the way all Faecbook arguments rapidly devolve into someone getting called an incel or the posting of a crappy meme of Wojack taking the other side and Yes Chad taking your side is pretty sad.
 
Come on Homer, neither of those answers were Peer Reviewed, and anyone who knows anything about bread knows The Science Has Changed since the earlier August 9 posting. It's really Not OK to be spreading this kind of fake news around.

Anyway, until there is consensus on this from the authorities it's really irresponsible to suggest baking your own bread. Any homemade bread I've ever had starts drying out and rotting within mere days, where my Wonder Bread loaves made with scientific methodology are good for a full month, so I'd much rather let Big Bread do the baking for me, as they clearly know best.

On a serious note,
paternos said:
I feel I need to go further in using the internet/computers just as a tool, like a wrench, only intentional use.

There is a severe high price to using the web/computers/smartphones which only slowly appears. Short term feels good, long term destructive.
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This is the answer.
I completely avoided smartphones until my Nokia phone got crushed and I needed a replacement quickly, and instead of waiting for a featurephone to be shipped from India or China, I used an iphone a friend gave me, and I've stuck with it. At first I didn't even have a data plan, but now they are ubiquitous and even my $15 Mint Mobile plan includes unlimited throttled data. It's moderately useful, I guess, but honestly, all the things it does are things I should be able to do without (the Siri timer function is handy but there's no reason that needs the internet).

But when you intentionally had to "go to the internet" such as finding a wifi hotspot, or turning mobile data on, or physically going to your computer, in order to complete a task, that made you much more productive, plus it provided a check on abuse and overuse. Honestly I should probably limit accessing this site to one day a week or something, as it's become a kind of sick addiction to check it every day when I'm in America, as if there's some sort of breaking information that I need to know. (It's sort of similar to chatting with friends I guess so maybe it's ok).

The people who have integrated google and twitter into their daily life are the ones who are going to be most unhappy / controlled / dependent / brainwashed. I know one guy who regularly "Asks Google!" through a voice feature on his phone random questions that will come up. Like we are talking about a movie, and he will say "Oh I think that actor's first movie was X. "Hey Google! What was Brad Pitt's first movie?" Like shut up, Google, I didn't invite you on our walk and no one asked you your opinion!
 
Rax Moscow said:
The commercialization / profit of the internet killed it.
When it was something you just did because you were a student or a nerd, it was fun. I remember writing down website names and ftp sites from magazines into a notebook so that I could research them later. Don't care about much outside Daily Stormer and this and a couple of hobby sites now. Heck I barely use email its so full of spam.
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I agree and as someone who's worked in the tech industry for well over two decades, it's been disappointing to see the devolution of quality, especially with regards to search. I first got online in 1995 when I was at college, back when x.25 networks like Telenet/Sprintnet were still around and being on the internet meant using Archie and Gopher. We checked our university email accounts with Pine on shell accounts and you had to use SLIP (or later PPP) for dialup access.

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Netscape Navigator was new, Linux was seen as a hobbyist toy (not like AIX/Solaris/etc.), Slackware was downloaded onto floppys, getting xfree86 to work on Linux meant having to figure out the horizontal/vertical sync/refresh rates of your monitor, the Enlightenment window manager was just a hacked version of FVWM, etc. The tools we have today are leaps and bounds better than what we had back then but when it comes to the quality of the content the puck has been moving in the wrong direction for years now.

I remember when Google search first came out and being blown away by how much more useful it was than the offerings at the time (Alta Vista, Excite, Lycos, etc.). Now it's like we've come full circle and they've become the exact problem they originally set out to solve. In their early days you'd get results from esoteric sites that really did have useful information - sites that you otherwise would never have discovered without their search engine. Now, the opposite is true. Their results are generally useless and generic and quality content gets lost in the detritus of SEO optimized crap they serve up on the first page.
 
The internet, like everything else in society, is tailored for women because women are the consumers of society. Women love social media because it allows them to gossip about others while getting attention for boring, mundane things. The internet became censored because women don't like anything that would offend them or would undermine the general societal narrative.

For my own business, I had to create content to drive sales. When I first started, I would make content that would appeal to me: well-thought out, introspective, detailed, and of high quality. The problem is that it would take hours to create and would have little to no engagement. The ROI was about 0. When I started studying the major trends that generated revenue, I realized that it was all female focused: emotional, people-focused, reinforcing the dominate narratives, flashy, and stupid. Eventually, I just outsourced the work because it was so braindead.

Nothing is designed for Chuds like you and me. We're too small of a market, too skeptical, and we don't consoooom enough.
 
Renzy said:
I agree and as someone who's worked in the tech industry for well over two decades, it's been disappointing to see the devolution of quality, especially with regards to search. I first got online in 1995 when I was at college, back when x.25 networks like Telenet/Sprintnet were still around and being on the internet meant using Archie and Gopher. We checked our university email accounts with Pine on shell accounts and you had to use SLIP (or later PPP) for dialup access.

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Netscape Navigator was new, Linux was seen as a hobbyist toy (not like AIX/Solaris/etc.), Slackware was downloaded onto floppys, getting xfree86 to work on Linux meant having to figure out the horizontal/vertical sync/refresh rates of your monitor, the Enlightenment window manager was just a hacked version of FVWM, etc. The tools we have today are leaps and bounds better than what we had back then but when it comes to the quality of the content the puck has been moving in the wrong direction for years now.

I remember when Google search first came out and being blown away by how much more useful it was than the offerings at the time (Alta Vista, Excite, Lycos, etc.). Now it's like we've come full circle and they've become the exact problem they originally set out to solve. In their early days you'd get results from esoteric sites that really did have useful information - sites that you otherwise would never have discovered without their search engine. Now, the opposite is true. Their results are generally useless and generic and quality content gets lost in the detritus of SEO optimized crap they serve up on the first page.
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There must be a way to create a webcrawler that indexes sites based on how little google and the globohomo sites link to them - I would use that in a heartbeat.
 
So gents, it seems like the (very reasonable) conclusion of this thread is that Roosh made the right choice to delete his entire online presence (as much as is possible for him) and to completely disengage....

I've greatly appreciated everyone's comments here. It's given me a lot of perspective on my own online use and made me think more deeply about how to spend my time.
 
Cornelius V.E. said:
So gents, it seems like the (very reasonable) conclusion of this thread is that Roosh made the right choice to delete his entire online presence (as much as is possible for him) and to completely disengage....

I've greatly appreciated everyone's comments here. It's given me a lot of perspective on my own online use and made me think more deeply about how to spend my time.
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Like I stated before, social media (which this forum is) can be used for better or worse and Roosh decided his medium was being used for the worse as he had his history.

I don't think checking out is the way to go but of course be our guest as I have a feeling this forum will live on and where else is there to go to.
 
Roosh's forum was the last bastion of hope for a real mens club. During it's prime, from around 2015 to 2018, it was the best community online for many reasons. Although the main theme was pick-up (and I dont think thats a negative like most do here), there was a real brotherhood between members. You were expected to eventually meet up in real life, to help each others out and to continuously seek self-improvement in all areas. Combine that with a unified ideology in the fight against the feminism and the rest of the elite controlled system.

It was genuinely exciting times. Unfortunately, Roosh threw it all away after his sister's death ( seems to be the catalyst). In my opinion, converting and then turning the forum into a strict Christian forum was the beginning of the end. Picking and enforcing any religion would inevitably alienate a lot people. Most on the forums were far from atheist and very open to spiritual beliefs but the reality is, men meet in real life to do men stuff. Picking up women was an easy goal to get behind. Even older guys went out and took the role of mentors. A Christian family men has zero reasons to meet anyone or even step out of his house. To truly change social fabrics you need to capture the young guys between 18-30.

All we have left is atheistic snarky redditors, extreme narcissism on social media, steroid gym culture and many kids all day on discord. Its each man for himself. It's all very docile now, there is no more real community for men.
 
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