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Internet Turned to a Pile of Garbage (rant).
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Posting in the past tense isn't going to make this forum go away you weirdo.
Why are you so critical on this? Substantively I see Flat making some important points.
Not having meetups and actual non e-communities is a bigger issue than you are understanding, to be fair.
This is a great synthesis. I would say the irony is going to be that all users, engagers, and ultimately the most meaningful internet things will be decentralized, along with its payment layer (BTC). The last part is the most important, and all of these are dominated by a small group of visionaries that happens to be male and a particular type. It will be interesting to see the envy grow as this becomes more and more obvious.
Because I don't like his tone and bringing up Roosh's sister.
I tend to agree with this and think it falls in the category of the James 2 caution regarding telling people about God or what perhaps they should be doing with addressing certain things (in James reference, it was clothes and food). That segues to my point of a lot of the Orthodox putting a lot of emphasis on a term that just came to mind, which is "Monk mode vs Magic mode" that I've talked about for about a year on the forum. It's binary thinking and somewhat fatalistic: if the wife thing doesn't work out just go full monk. As Flat says here, once you get married, save for 2% (that's my high quality number for any topic across the board, the rest are just self absorbed, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way), you're basically just gone to the rest of the people and largely don't care or can't be bothered with any efforts or help to engage others or assist them. Like it or not, if you ignore the plight of younger men and even successful middle aged men, you're asking for it and soon you'll pay the price as a society.
I've paid proper respects to Roosh, who has done a lot and even more in rediscovering Orthodoxy, and been a light to many. He is not beyond reproach or criticism, though. One of the costs to his insight was that he was very quick to judgment on things, as was his initial virus scare, and I recall he even sactioned me for rightly pointing out that the shroom trip was not defensible. If we can't even mention honest things like this on the new forum, we're just idolizing a man who doesn't deserve that, and as per your own awareness, doesn't want that attention anyway.
For some, telling them to follow God and go full monk mode may be appropriate. My feeling is that this is not the calling for most and it creates further issues, in general. I could be wrong about that, but I don't see it play out in real life as being the best route. A counter might be, in the vein, that all of this is moot since women are the rate limiting step. But they don't change unless men take leadership (control) again, so we do have to have impact on that level, first.
I watched this video last night and I thought it was highly pertinent to this thread. Although this guy is talking in the early 90s and referencing some of the works of Jean Baudrillard (who I have not read) his talk was eerily on point for what has happened since the 90s. The idea of the hyperreal, where simulations of reality become more real and significant than reality itself. In the hyperreal there is a loss of distinction between reality and simulation (social media, anyone?). There is an erosion of meaning (fake news, anti-Trump propaganda, woke). Simulations that appeal to desires, such as constantly pushing the envelope in pornography, like OnlyFans, which is a service to simulate an intimate experience for hopeless men.
In his speech he also went over how Reagan was popular with people because he was popular. Meaning, that even those who disagreed with his positions were still drawn in by his popularity. It's this way today with Biden. He's not popular per se, but he's the anti-Trump candidate and people are in love with the fact that they can stick it to Trump by going for Biden. So much so that he doesn't even need to campaign. It was similar with Obama, how people loved the fact that they could vote for a black guy. Essentially, in this speech Rick and Baudrillard were predicting virtue signaling. This fad-society, except instead of being a communist one day then a troskyite then a buddhist, as Rick says in the speech, people are NPCs who are into the current thing, like Ukraine, Israel, or when people supported France briefly after terrorist attacks.
Later in the speech he talks about how the society of spectacle and how we seek and desire ecstatic experiences. Today we would refer to these as dopamine hits. But the feelings we continually pursue for our nervous systems are ecstatic and the sublime. He mentions how he doesn't mean the sublime like when a person sees a beautiful landscape, but the sublime in beating a difficult boss in a video game. The sublime of seeing hyperreal space battles in a movie, or simulated fun and humor that creates a much more ecstatic feeling than having a visit with family.
I think the feeling of the ecstatic has taken over society. People opt to stay indoors on their electronics. I know I much prefer watching a good movie or playing a video game over getting together with friends and family. More and more single people are staying single and not missing human companionship because it can't compete. It's like when I had a teacher say that history can't compete with the Xbox. I was also thinking about how people talk of or complain about Tinder. What people like about Tinder is the feeling they get in being able to potentially meet an attractive partner. Being validated is more than enough for a lot of women, who don't even need to meet a guy.
Anyway, I thought this talk explained a lot of what has happened and what we all experience today, such as the internet being this source of garbage.
Not true, Roosh's problem was that his person was public. The internet became garbage, and his person was still a part of it, so the only way to remove his person from the now trashy internet was to remove himself entirely.
For you and I, we have no such problem because we stayed anonymous. It was a wise move, however, had not Roosh gone public then this community would not have been created so we owe him a debt of gratitude. He took one for the team, even if he didn't understand it at the time.
When he first started down the PUA path, he was just looking to have a good time. He didn't care at all about what consequences may come, it seemed ridiculous that anyone would actually care. Now in hindsight we see that a lot of people do care, and will deliver some really nasty consequences, but at the time there was a sense of freedom with no worry.
Nice post and great point here. I don't think people are aware of the social and famous phenomenon, which is a group(think) and follow the crowd phenomenon that now dominates my mind having seen what we witnessed in 2020. I'm unsure about your Biden point, but it does make sense for the lost people that are partial to him.
Technically I don't agree with this, but there is a point you are making which is when you get erosion of normal human behavior and complementarity, and that does come with technology but more with wealth effect in my opinion, it does get that way and quite quickly. Another way of saying this might be that you aren't aware of what you are missing because the potential is there, but few show you what it can be like. Sadly, becoming poor is the only antidote, which will also bring repentance for some, but the others will be poor and trapped by the matrix, since all won't accept reality or better ways.
We have had an unbelievable experiment on this exposure and how much more detrimental, I would argue, it is than pornography. It is far more diabolically because it's not as obvious to most people, therefore it is multitudes more damaging since little is counteracting it or to be quite frank, will until it's far too late (already is for 2+ generations).
I'm thinking of how kids used to play outside all the time, invade parks and playgrounds. Now, with air conditioning everywhere and endless amounts of Youtube videos, freemium games, and Netflix kids have to make a choice to play with other kids or go out. Parents still do a good job getting kids off screens, but it's a constant battle and I've seen tendrils of the brokenness of modern children come through in teacher reddit threads, where they mention how dead some kids seem when they don't have their technology with them.
I was also thinking of how people are atomized by social media, where one's friends are online or distant. I think of all of the people who reveled in the Covid lockdowns because they're introverts. I'm aware of a lot of this because I also spend a lot of time online. But the whole chronically-online personality of young men and women who can't get dates and have given up, even without adhering to any kind of MGTOW view, appears to be growing every year. They also learn that they prefer to be alone, I've read many comments like that. The way Gen Z prefers to communicate over text than a phone call, and many of them being socially underdeveloped.
While I agree wealth can entrap people into this atomization I don't know if being poor is a solution. The poor still have heavy access to the internet. One thing in that video I posted that was mentioned is that the apocalypse has already happened, but it wasn't robots or AI or nuclear bombs, but through rapid system complexity. Soon it will be hard to tell what is real and what isn't real because of AI, at least on the internet.
PS - The Biden phenomenon I mentioned was due to this idea of not liking a person, but liking, liking the person. That's confusing, I know, but it means someone who doesn't like Biden, but likes liking him, probably because it gets at Trump MAGA people.
Rick Roderick is great on breaking down Baudrillard and his The Self Under Siege series is very good.
A good precursor to Adam Curtis.
I'm a big fan of the understated Big Brain with a southern drawl.
You can find a lot of his videos online and torrents (he did a series for The Teaching Company).
Also if you like this kind of stuff Borzoi at TRS talks about it all the time.
You would probably enjoy a lot of the Hyperpodcastism talks.
While the internet is a pile of garbage it also gives us the ability to carry around nearly the entire cumulative knowledge of modern humanity in our pocket… and gives us the ability to connect with other people or entities the world over.
The problem isn’t the internet. The problem is how people choose to use the internet.
The problem isn’t the internet. The problem is how people choose to use the internet.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will check this podcast out. I'm currently reading Simulation and Simulacrum and have been penetrating further into Baudrillard and pontificating on the implications of his ideas. It's hard for my mind to be blown by stuff these days but I'd say I'm currently going through a thinking renaissance.
I just saw this, but have not tried it since I never use Google to begin with. I'm assuming other search engines have similar functions:
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The Internet has become a giant scam. I have noticed dozens of courses being sold that cost thousands of dollars. They all have the same high pressure slick marketing. It is becoming a science. I am beginning to hate technology and see it as a trap – offering you something that appears attractive while taking away your privacy and freedom. As has been mentioned, you are not anonymous and you are being recorded. Ted Kaczynski was so ahead of his time.
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As I use Yandex more it starts to seem like a partial cure for this "internet turning to garbage" issue. Just that that DuckDuckGo had become as useless as Google. Maybe, only maybe with less surveillance but certainly the same level of SEO garbage that Google finds.May have found a new favourite :
Yandex
Yandex is a technology company that builds intelligent products and services powered by machine learning. Our goal is to help consumers and businesses better navigate the online and offline world. Since 1997, we have delivered world-class, locally relevant search and information services...yandex.com
Only issue is it bothers you a bit with 'Turing' tests to see if you are a real person.
Censorship is carried out by the standard search engines including duckduckgo by returning pages of search results with nothing but
I don't think that the advantage of Yandex is obvious with just one search, but using it for a while it really seems to have an edge for finding all kinds of obscure, maybe even 90s JavaScript free style sites that we like. Also the choice of graphics and fonts is pleasantly different.
Even good to use for political reasons, that you're not feeding the satanic globohomo monster which no doubt DuckDuckGo is also connected to. What will "big tech" do if there is an exodus to these non-cabal owned enterprises... Rather pleased to hear about TicTok causing them some bother, not that I'm going to start an account there.
One more thing to add--the good people have simply given up the fight for filming video horizontally (the way our eyes and monitors and cameras and tv sets and movie screens are designed to see it).
We have just accepted the junky 2" wide video shot with super long horizontal height showing a bunch of ground and empty sky, and putting the weird blurry boxes on both sides of the incorrectly shot video now.
We have just accepted the junky 2" wide video shot with super long horizontal height showing a bunch of ground and empty sky, and putting the weird blurry boxes on both sides of the incorrectly shot video now.
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"There are no girls on the internet" era was a peak time. People didn't live out their lives online so everything you read just kind of existed in that space, then you shut off the computer and went out into the "real world."
Although Myspace paved the way for Facebook, I'm in the group who view social media as an option and not a requirement for day-to-day life. Even though I don't think people are as attached to Facebook, I still get looked at like I have a disability when people learn I don't have that or tiktok, Instagram, and so on.
Ironically, if it wasn't for the internet, I'd have no idea what Orthodoxy is.
Although Myspace paved the way for Facebook, I'm in the group who view social media as an option and not a requirement for day-to-day life. Even though I don't think people are as attached to Facebook, I still get looked at like I have a disability when people learn I don't have that or tiktok, Instagram, and so on.
Ironically, if it wasn't for the internet, I'd have no idea what Orthodoxy is.