This is like leftists blaming rising crime on toxic right wing masculinity. This dude is confused.
Iran-Israeli Conflict Thread
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This is like leftists blaming rising crime on toxic right wing masculinity. This dude is confused.
Having a stronger military and being able to win a war doesn’t mean necessarily that you will win.
Political will also matters. All Iran has to do is survive a war for long enough that Trump will get voted out and the next (Democrat) administration will cancel the war because it’s too unpopular.
USA lost the war against the then backwater Vietnam not because their military was weak but because they are a “democracy” and the political support was not there to keep the war going so they had to withdraw to appease voters.
The war against Iran already has less political support than any major war the USA has been involved in to date and we are only a few weeks into the conflict. Politically this war is a poison pill so if they don’t finish Iran quick they will eventually just give up and walk away because it’s too unpopular not because their military is too weak.
The Iranians as of today are a much tougher people than Americans and can withstand 10 times as much hardship before they buckle.
Normal Americans are already starting to feel the economic pressure and get uncomfortable with this whole fiasco and they aren't even in a war zone. Iranians are out casually walking around in the streets as bombs are exploding in the background and they don't even flinch.
Donny is clearly out of his element.
I would say a lot of the stuff about how Iran is operationally winning the war because they managed to ding a airplane or because they managed to land a missile hit somewhere would be wishful thinking about how Iranians are these Aryan warriors that will finally be the ones to give the Jews their comeuppance. However I do think the theory that Iran can "win" by bleeding out the US does have more legs. Joe Kent in his interview with Tucker made a point that a lot of the things that Israel either welcomes or at least tolerates (such as if Iran falls into some sort of uprising/civil war) aren't things that would be beneficial for the US and even if the US ends up running up the score card on casualties and damage vs Iran the war might end up looking a loss for the US. 10000 revolutionary guards can be killed and the Iranians can still say they won if the regime holds but if 100 marines gets killed in a missile strike in the case of a land invasion of the strait that would be considered a disaster.
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Is this a recent video or from a few weeks ago? I'm asking cause if this is recent and Bibi is dead, I would like to hear the explanation for how this video was created.
He's outdoors and while he's surrounded by people from MSM outlets (so not " unaccredited cameras" I guess) but you do see random passerbys in the back going about their days. Of you course say this is all AI and/or that everyone in the video is a Jew and therefore all in on it but then in that case it means the theory about Bibi is being dead is completely unfalsable and believers in this there are going to believe in it no matter what and can't be convinced no matter what they see. If that's the stance, even if Bibi shows up at the White House then people will just say it's another example of Trump (and I suppose any US media outlets that cover the visit) dancing to the tunes of the Jews and being in on it with the pretense of pretending Bibi is alive.
EDIT: He does mention the ballistic missiles attack on Garcia base and also how Iranian missiles seem to have longer ranges then previously assumed which is recent news.
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Is this a recent video or from a few weeks ago? I'm asking cause if this is recent and Bibi is dead, I would like to hear the explanation for how this video was created.
He's outdoors and while he's surrounded by people from MSM outlets (so not " unaccredited cameras" I guess) but you do see random passerbys in the back going about their days. Of you course say this is all AI and/or that everyone in the video is a Jew and therefore all in on it but then in that case it means the theory about Bibi is being dead is completely unfalsable and believers in this there are going to believe in it no matter what and can't be convinced no matter what they see. If that's the stance, even if Bibi shows up at the White House then people will just say it's another example of Trump (and I suppose any US media outlets that cover the visit) dancing to the tunes of the Jews and being in on it with the pretense of pretending Bibi is alive.
EDIT: He does mention the ballistic missiles attack on Garcia base and also how Iranian missiles seem to have longer ranges then previously assumed which is recent news.
As I said: jews do not deserve any benefit of the doubt. Does this convince me? Nope.
Another thing to note - this video is being posted from a Telegram channel known for being "based and redpilled" on what's REALLY going on in Iran and showing that Iran is actually winning the war on the ground. Are the Jews so powerful that they even managed even to blue pill these red pilled Telegram channels into thinking that Bibi is still alive? If so, can these channels be trusted to be post the truth about what's going on?
Iran can only "win" this war in the sense that they manage to survive with their current ruling regime still in place. But that's sort of a hollow victory if your entire country has been laid to waste in the process, and most of your military capability expended or destroyed. It's like if you get into a bar fight and wind up on the ground with a concussion, both eyes swollen shut, all your teeth knocked out, multiple broken ribs, and you declare victory because, "I'm still alive, he didn't kill me!"
That being said, the U.S. can't really "win" the war in that sense, either. This is why the whole misadventure was harebrained in the first place (and why no other U.S. administration has been stupid and/or reckless enough to pull the trigger on a war with Iran). The U.S. has no realistic victory condition. This is the nature of an asymmetric conflict. The Americans can inflict massive damage on Iran, but the Iranians can simply absorb it and keep chugging along. Nothing short of a full-scale invasion by a massive occupying force or total nuclear obliteration can truly ever defeat Iran, and obviously both of these options are highly problematic for a number of reasons.
Iran can keep the war going (and by war I mean "lobbing missiles at Israel and the GCC states while keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed") indefinitely. It's very easy for them to do that, and very difficult for the U.S. to stop them. Asymmetry. Wargames played this exact scenario out for decades, which is why it's truly incredible that we find ourselves in this scenario. This was entirely predictable.
The fact that this outcome was so predictable (and literally was predicted by all seasoned military and intelligence analysts) and yet Trump and Netanyahu chose to proceed makes me believe that the whole thing was entirely intentional. This sort of economic chaos and destruction was not an unforeseen consequence of war with Iran, but was actually one of the primary goals of it. And that goal only makes sense if you are Israel and pursuing the Greater Israel project. It seems increasingly likely to me that this war was engineered by Netanyahu, Kusher, Witcoff and Lindsay Graham, all of whom worked together to manipulate Trump and mislead him about Irans's capabilities and intentions. All four men have enough personal experience with Trump to know how to play him like a fiddle. They knew exactly what he would need to hear to get him to go along with a major attack on Iran, and they made sure that he heard it from all of them. And here we are.
That being said, the U.S. can't really "win" the war in that sense, either. This is why the whole misadventure was harebrained in the first place (and why no other U.S. administration has been stupid and/or reckless enough to pull the trigger on a war with Iran). The U.S. has no realistic victory condition. This is the nature of an asymmetric conflict. The Americans can inflict massive damage on Iran, but the Iranians can simply absorb it and keep chugging along. Nothing short of a full-scale invasion by a massive occupying force or total nuclear obliteration can truly ever defeat Iran, and obviously both of these options are highly problematic for a number of reasons.
Iran can keep the war going (and by war I mean "lobbing missiles at Israel and the GCC states while keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed") indefinitely. It's very easy for them to do that, and very difficult for the U.S. to stop them. Asymmetry. Wargames played this exact scenario out for decades, which is why it's truly incredible that we find ourselves in this scenario. This was entirely predictable.
The fact that this outcome was so predictable (and literally was predicted by all seasoned military and intelligence analysts) and yet Trump and Netanyahu chose to proceed makes me believe that the whole thing was entirely intentional. This sort of economic chaos and destruction was not an unforeseen consequence of war with Iran, but was actually one of the primary goals of it. And that goal only makes sense if you are Israel and pursuing the Greater Israel project. It seems increasingly likely to me that this war was engineered by Netanyahu, Kusher, Witcoff and Lindsay Graham, all of whom worked together to manipulate Trump and mislead him about Irans's capabilities and intentions. All four men have enough personal experience with Trump to know how to play him like a fiddle. They knew exactly what he would need to hear to get him to go along with a major attack on Iran, and they made sure that he heard it from all of them. And here we are.
There is no limit to jewish insanity. They think they can steer events where they want to and if reality is against them then reality be damned.
The only alternatives to this 'hollow' victory are total defeat, in which you are ruled over by an Israeli proxy leadership and suffer endless persecution, humiliation and subversion, like with post-war Germany.
Or, if through persistence, you get Israel and the US to back down as the entire world turns on them over the economic cataclysm. At some point, there is going to be widespread global outrage and massive pressure to call it off.
If the US and Israel go down the path of destroying Iranian infrastructure, in return the Gulf states will be utterly wrecked by Iran. Israel too. The israelis are going to revolt over the destruction. Especially if the lights go out, and fresh water is no longer available.
Iran has already decided that the only choice is to fight to save the nation, and pretty much the entire population are behind that, even if they don't like the government. The US and Israel have totally misjudged the mood and will of the Iranians. Death is martyrdom, there is no talk of a hollow victory. The defeat of Israel and America will be viewed as a great triumph, no matter the cost.
Yes, their fascist government is probably too powerful for the USA to crack. It is impressive to see fascism on action.
I was totally against the Iran war but maybe I’m not as anti war as I thought
What I'm saying is that the U.S. and Israel are simply not going to allow Iran anything other than martyrdom or a hollow victory. Iran is not going to "win" this war and "defeat" America by any meaningful definition of those words. The stakes are too high at this point. The terms that Iran presented for ending the war are completely unacceptable to the United States. I was not joking when I said that the U.S. would literally use nukes on Iran well before they would consider acceding to those terms. The United States would sooner turn every population center in Iran into glass than agree to the peace conditions the IRGC offered. (And to be clear, I am not advocating for such an outcome, I'm just saying that this is the reality of the situation and how much is at stake).
Or perhaps they will turn them into falafel or... fertilizer?
Perhaps the IIMT theory about low IQ third world countries with average 85 IQ being turned into fertilizer by first country isn't as outlandish as I thought
What are the odds or Iran responding to a nuclear strike with their own nuclear response? Trump is playing with fire here, he is reacting more like an unhinged Israeli leader than a POTUS.
If they actually have working nukes that survived an American first strike? Almost a certainty. And they'd likely be headed straight for Tel Aviv, finally fulfilling the Jews' longstanding Holocaust fantasies.
Yes, and that's why it is happening, it's a larger strategy.
Yes, I was going to reply with what IIMT put forth, the general arguments of Simon Dixon, which is that the money flows control this, and his points are compelling. Originally he said this would be shorter and more of a mirage, so I'm not sure exactly if what he has in mind is going to take place, but I do think that he's right = Netanyahu is out by the end of the year and everyone is a winner (or got paid in one way or another) once the fighting stops. His main point is that gold would be going UP if this were going to last a long, long time. It going down suggests that it'll cease relatively soon. I'm not sure but I can see that as being a fairly high probability. Either way it looks like good news that he has said before, the main players are moving on from a base of operations in Israel. Soon they'll be moving on from Ukraine, even, given Europe's realities. I don't know what happens in Europe in the next 3 year but I'm going to guess major civil strife and basically civil wars. That might set off a chain reaction around the entire world in countries that "got invaded" since the society and financial realities/cost of living is going to get far, far worse in just 2 years.
If that happens get ready for the more obvious false prophet and man of lawlessness to be revealed. The reason I don't see it happening THIS SOON is because we aren't that close to a more obvious one world religion, as of yet.
We don't know what the US and Israel are going to do. Our definition of a 'hollow victory' may be a great triumph for the Iranians that see this as an existential battle against the devil incarnate.
Maybe they will use nukes. But, the entire world will turn on the US and Israel. They will be the international pariahs. BRICS will accelerate in expansion at warp speed.
There is also the possibility that Pakistan has sold off-the-shelf nukes to Iran. They offered them a while back, and Iran allegedly refused because of the fatwa against them. But, it is quite possible that at some point the Iranians reconsidered and took them up on it. It would be the all-time greatest FAFO.