Decline of Functioning Society

Normal well adjusted people don't have your outlook.

Did you ever wonder if it was you and your mindset that has caused your unfavorable mindset?

You've said that you have done very well for yourself one minute then the next that the economy is a disaster.

Again I think it's excuses and self sabotage.
You are wrong. A majority of young men agree with me. Now the economy has collapsed, many Gen X men (my age) now realize I was way ahead of my time and wish they could go back and do what I did. I'm amazed at how many people, of every background, enjoy talking about how bad the economy is and find a kinship in knowing they are not the only one struggling. While I am not personally struggling, I know the economy is a dumpster fire and there appears to be no one in either party or on Wall Street who has a serious plan to fix it.

I have done well for myself, because I started in 25+ years ago. Many boomers have done excellent. And the economy is a disaster right now with no fix in sight for it.

 
You are wrong. A majority of young men agree with me. Now the economy has collapsed, many Gen X men (my age) now realize I was way ahead of my time and wish they could go back and do what I did. I'm amazed at how many people, of every background, enjoy talking about how bad the economy is and find a kinship in knowing they are not the only one struggling. While I am not personally struggling, I know the economy is a dumpster fire and there appears to be no one in either party or on Wall Street who has a serious plan to fix it.
You mean like bringing in trillions of dollars in investments while deporting illegals?

What are you expecting this to occur literally over night?
I have done well for myself, because I started in 25+ years ago. Many boomers have done excellent. And the economy is a disaster right now with no fix in sight for it.


We are unlikely to ever see 3 percent home loans ever.
 
You mean like bringing in trillions of dollars in investments while deporting illegals?

What are you expecting this to occur literally over night?

We are unlikely to ever see 3 percent home loans ever.
Bringing in what? The economy is in full melt down mode, everyone on here knows it, it is okay to admit it. Can Trump turn it around? No one knows the answer to that.

Cool, home loans can stay at 6%, but not when their multiple of average income stays way beyond the extreme range. I bought my house with a mortgage rate of over 6%, but it was no big deal, because the economy was at least functioning back then.

There are major economic issues, there are major societal issues due to third world immigration. The little window dressing of turning ICE into a reality TV show or wasting billions to bomb a mountain all so Israel can kill Christian children, isn't going to turn the tide.

The good thing is, as long as things stay this bad and the people who really run this country refuse to fix it, the easier it is to get young people to realize this fake two party open border system needs to be replaced.
 
You are wrong. A majority of young men agree with me. Now the economy has collapsed, many Gen X men (my age) now realize I was way ahead of my time and wish they could go back and do what I did. I'm amazed at how many people, of every background, enjoy talking about how bad the economy is and find a kinship in knowing they are not the only one struggling. While I am not personally struggling, I know the economy is a dumpster fire and there appears to be no one in either party or on Wall Street who has a serious plan to fix it.

I have done well for myself, because I started in 25+ years ago. Many boomers have done excellent. And the economy is a disaster right now with no fix in sight for it.



Back in 2016-2019 the same people were whining about home prices who are whining about it now.

My burnout loser cousin who spent his entire teens and twenties making pizzas earning just enough money to buy weed got his first real job a few years ago doing mortgages, totally throw away job anyone could get his first real job ever at the age of 31. Got married, bought an upper middle class home and had a kid.

Your constant manipulation is wearing really thin dude.
 
Back in 2016-2019 the same people were whining about home prices who are whining about it now.

My burnout loser cousin who spent his entire teens and twenties making pizzas earning just enough money to buy weed got his first real job a few years ago doing mortgages, totally throw away job anyone could get his first real job ever at the age of 31. Got married, bought an upper middle class home and had a kid.

Your constant manipulation is wearing really thin dude.
Yes, 2016 was far from ideal, so was 2006, it has been a long time since it was idea due to third world immigration and bailing out Wall Street. They were correct to "whine" or in reality just stand up for themselves. But that chart is to show how much drastically worse it has gotten in less than 10 years.

I don't know why you are trying to do NAXLT, that isn't going to work on this very serious discussion and topic.
 
Yes, 2016 was far from ideal, so was 2006, it has been a long time since it was idea due to third world immigration and bailing out Wall Street. They were correct to "whine" or in reality just stand up for themselves. But that chart is to show how much drastically worse it has gotten in less than 10 years.

I don't know why you are trying to do NAXLT, that isn't going to work on this very serious discussion and topic.

So why are you posting some social media garbage, which is all that you post, saying 2016-2019 was the good ol days? Then what you want the world to go back to the 50's, why even waste your time pining for nonsense and wtf is NAXLT?

Everything you post and say is manipulation with poison, trying to catch a fly in your web.
 
Back in 2016-2019 the same people were whining about home prices who are whining about it now.

My burnout loser cousin who spent his entire teens and twenties making pizzas earning just enough money to buy weed got his first real job a few years ago doing mortgages, totally throw away job anyone could get his first real job ever at the age of 31. Got married, bought an upper middle class home and had a kid.

Your constant manipulation is wearing really thin dude.

Those are the basic facts, beyond personal anecdotes and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" discourse.



In 1990, Al Bundy could afford to buy a house and raise a family in Chicago on a single income as a shoe salesman.
 
Those are the basic facts, beyond personal anecdotes and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" discourse.



In 1990, Al Bundy could afford to buy a house and raise a family in Chicago on a single income as a shoe salesman.


It doesn't mean there aren't guys who made it work, nobody is saying things are better today but it doesn't mean there is no hope or you can't still get there. I understand the overall point but brother Al bundy making a living as a shoe salesman was purposeful extreme satire....
 
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Bringing in what? The economy is in full melt down mode, everyone on here knows it, it is okay to admit it. Can Trump turn it around? No one knows the answer to that.
I don't agree
Cool, home loans can stay at 6%, but not when their multiple of average income stays way beyond the extreme range. I bought my house with a mortgage rate of over 6%, but it was no big deal, because the economy was at least functioning back then.
I bought a home in 2022.

Changed Jobs 2x, been laid off and promoted all In the same 3 years.

Never missed a payment.

My experience hardly mirrors this doom bullshit you're pushing.
There are major economic issues, there are major societal issues due to third world immigration. The little window dressing of turning ICE into a reality TV show or wasting billions to bomb a mountain all so Israel can kill Christian children, isn't going to turn the tide.
So first it's Trump is not doing anything...to now this isn't enough.

Right...

Again you're ever shifting the goal post here.

These things take time to do, and the admin is in the process of fixing a 30+ year mess on immigration.


The good thing is, as long as things stay this bad and the people who really run this country refuse to fix it, the easier it is to get young people to realize this fake two party open border system needs to be replaced.
OR....those of us WITH CHILDREN might actually be invested in some relief and actually be thankful for relief vs constantly bitching about everything...

I mean I get it, you've got nothing else better to do than watch obscure Internet podcasts and Nick Fuentes... But there are tons of opportunities still out there.

I see them daily with the people I interact with. Every Sunday I see tons of young family making it and doing well... Owning homes, making a living, and building a future.

Of course things will be better when we have no more illegals and of course things will be better when we aren't involved with Israel lobby.

But pretending the sky is falling is nonsense.
 
Those are the basic facts, beyond personal anecdotes and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" discourse.



In 1990, Al Bundy could afford to buy a house and raise a family in Chicago on a single income as a shoe salesman.


Should also point that out that if you really want to use Al bundy as a reference. He was also constantly broke, didn't even have money for food it was a special day when he got to eat, his entire family shared a busted old car and everything in his house was falling apart.

Al bundy would think that a common "broke" person today was living like a king....living the way Al bundy lived they would consider a torturous punishment.

It's one thing to have concerns about today and trying to overcome them it's another thing to romanticize the past in an attempt to use as a crutch.
 
So why are you posting some social media garbage, which is all that you post, saying 2016-2019 was the good ol days? Then what you want the world to go back to the 50's, why even waste your time pining for nonsense and wtf is NAXLT?

Everything you post and say is manipulation with poison, trying to catch a fly in your web.
It isn't "social media garbage", the economy is falling off a cliff due to the satanic elites.

Are you defending the economy or are you just attacking me for no reason?
 
I don't agree

I bought a home in 2022.

Changed Jobs 2x, been laid off and promoted all In the same 3 years.

Never missed a payment.

My experience hardly mirrors this doom bullshit you're pushing.

So first it's Trump is not doing anything...to now this isn't enough.

Right...

Again you're ever shifting the goal post here.

These things take time to do, and the admin is in the process of fixing a 30+ year mess on immigration.



OR....those of us WITH CHILDREN might actually be invested in some relief and actually be thankful for relief vs constantly bitching about everything...

I mean I get it, you've got nothing else better to do than watch obscure Internet podcasts and Nick Fuentes... But there are tons of opportunities still out there.

I see them daily with the people I interact with. Every Sunday I see tons of young family making it and doing well... Owning homes, making a living, and building a future.

Of course things will be better when we have no more illegals and of course things will be better when we aren't involved with Israel lobby.

But pretending the sky is falling is nonsense.

Do you honestly think NAXLT is a viable talking point, or is going to work at all going forward?
 
Should also point that out that if you really want to use Al bundy as a reference. He was also constantly broke, didn't even have money for food it was a special day when he got to eat, his entire family shared a busted old car and everything in his house was falling apart.

Al bundy would think that a common "broke" person today was living like a king....living the way Al bundy lived they would consider a torturous punishment.

It's one thing to have concerns about today and trying to overcome them it's another thing to romanticize the past in an attempt to use as a crutch.


The modern version of Al Bundy would be both him and his wife working full time, and they would be living in a small rental apt in a run down neighborhood.

If their kids were in college, they would be running tens of thousands in student debt.

The median home price in 1988 Chicago was $110k, today $390k.
 
Do you honestly think NAXLT is a viable talking point, or is going to work at all going forward?

Are you saying that because you feel like things are so fucked that others can't and won't be successful?

This is weak bullshit spouted by those who want to deflect.

I see tons of bitching about how things are from you and others and yet very very very little of that has to do with direct things you can achieve and do to impact your own situation.

My point is that you are decrying all this sky is falling shit and yet plenty of people are making it just fine.

I'm not saying that there are not problems with the economy specifically as a result of 30 or 40 years of unmitigated mass invasion at the border.

I am saying that we are still living in the most economically viable place in the world for your average person.
 
Are you saying that because you feel like things are so fucked that others can't and won't be successful?

This is weak bullshit spouted by those who want to deflect.

I see tons of bitching about how things are from you and others and yet very very very little of that has to do with direct things you can achieve and do to impact your own situation.

My point is that you are decrying all this sky is falling shit and yet plenty of people are making it just fine.

I'm not saying that there are not problems with the economy specifically as a result of 30 or 40 years of unmitigated mass invasion at the border.

I am saying that we are still living in the most economically viable place in the world for your average person.
This isn't about individualism, well it is in a way, it is about crushing the brainwashing conservative politicians repeat that get their followers to believe in individualism.

This is about society as a whole. It is obviously collapsing. I can't even fathom being a member of this forum and not knowing this is the case. And if one of us makes it big, it doesn't change the trajectory of society and then eventually even that one person will be eaten alive by the giant crash.

How we go about fixing it is a different conversation. But to deny that society is collapsing, the very topic of this thread, and that it will impact everyone, is really a discussion I thought we were long past on this forum.
 
It doesn't mean there aren't guys who made it work, nobody is saying things are better today but it doesn't mean there is no hope or you can still get there. I understand the overall point but brother Al bundy making a living as a shoe salesman was purposeful extreme satire....
I don't think most of us realize how we are hardwired to live in doubt and despair. It's because thousands of years ago one bad decision could end your life very quickly and we were only one meal away from malnutrition and/or starvation. The interior of the human organism hasn't changed much over the last 5 thousand years, but our external circumstances have changed dramatically thus throwing many of us into a confused, and often contradictory psycho-emotional state of disequilibrium. Modern electricity, antibiotics, and having parents who protected us and provided for us 24/7 for the first 18 years of our lives has made our tolerance for suffering and uncertainty very low. And so is it any wonder that with so much extra time on our hands because we don't have to go fetch water or try to hunt and kill an animal for dinner tonight that many of us are over-consuming and over-analyzing both the domestic and global (((news))) cycles, and that this is making many of us depressed? Our brains can only handle so much localized information, we were not built to take in the world's problems and information and therefore many of us are experiencing a chronic sense of depression via sensory overload.

Due to their environment, namely good parenting, and having abundant resources (i.e. money), some humans grow up fully functioning and are naturally optimistic and happy. They were taught that "life is good," and that "the world is your oyster," and they therefore made it such. However, many more of us humans were neglected, and beaten, and told we were worthless, and we came from nothing. Or we lived in a house of uncertainty amongst married people that barely tolerated each other and were constantly on the verge of divorce. And so individual experience varies depending on a host of biological and environmental factors. Some people are naturally happy, but most people are dealing with some form of chronic unhappiness.

Young people today feel the same thing young people felt in 1990. They feel despair. In 1990 most everyone I knew who was under 30 was living in fear of not being able to pay their rent, buy groceries, find a high paying job, World War 3, and never being able to afford to buy their own home.

So despair is not just a human condition thing, it is also an age/stage of development thing. Things may be worse today in America than they were in 1990, but they are better than they were in 1861. It's all perspective. "I think therefore I am." The first thing necessary in changing one's exterior circumstances is to change one's interior state of mind. If you think doom and gloom you will experience doom and gloom. If you think "the best is yet to come" then you will feel a sense of optimism regardless of what home prices are today as compared to 20 years ago. Young people are just naturally gloomy and pessimistic because they can't see the big picture of life (yet). And unfortunately, many people never grow out of this doom and gloom stage of adolescence. They never grow up and instead carry it over into their "adult" existence.
 
I don't think most of us realize how we are hardwired to live in doubt and despair. It's because thousands of years ago one bad decision could end your life very quickly and we were only one meal away from malnutrition and/or starvation. The interior of the human organism hasn't changed much over the last 5 thousand years, but our external circumstances have changed dramatically thus throwing many of us into a confused, and often contradictory psycho-emotional state of disequilibrium. Modern electricity, antibiotics, and having parents who protected us and provided for us 24/7 for the first 18 years of our lives has made our tolerance for suffering and uncertainty very low. And so is it any wonder that with so much extra time on our hands because we don't have to go fetch water or try to hunt and kill an animal for dinner tonight that many of us are over-consuming and over-analyzing both the domestic and global (((news))) cycles, and that this is making many of us depressed? Our brains can only handle so much localized information, we were not built to take in the world's problems and information and therefore many of us are experiencing a chronic sense of depression via sensory overload.

Due to their environment, namely good parenting, and having abundant resources (i.e. money), some humans grow up fully functioning and are naturally optimistic and happy. They were taught that "life is good," and that "the world is your oyster," and they therefore made it such. However, many more of us humans were neglected, and beaten, and told we were worthless, and we came from nothing. Or we lived in a house of uncertainty amongst married people that barely tolerated each other and were constantly on the verge of divorce. And so individual experience varies depending on a host of biological and environmental factors. Some people are naturally happy, but most people are dealing with some form of chronic unhappiness.

Young people today feel the same thing young people felt in 1990. They feel despair. In 1990 most everyone I knew who was under 30 was living in fear of not being able to pay their rent, buy groceries, find a high paying job, World War 3, and never being able to afford to buy their own home.

So despair is not just a human condition thing, it is also an age/stage of development thing. Things may be worse today in America than they were in 1990, but they are better than they were in 1861. It's all perspective. "I think therefore I am." The first thing necessary in changing one's exterior circumstances is to change one's interior state of mind. If you think doom and gloom you will experience doom and gloom. If you think "the best is yet to come" then you will feel a sense of optimism regardless of what home prices are today as compared to 20 years ago. Young people are just naturally gloomy and pessimistic because they can't see the big picture of life (yet). And unfortunately, many people never grow out of this doom and gloom stage of adolescence. They never grow up and instead carry it over into their "adult" existence.
No, I remember 1990 very well.

In 1990, maybe some lived in fear they couldn't afford those things. In 2025, young people literally cannot afford those things. There is a difference in a fearful outcome and that outcome already playing out.
 
You can have millions of dollars and a safe home in the burbs, well at least until they put up a new govt. funded living complex and fill it with Haitians, but it will all do you no good if the society you live in crumbles around you.

 
How is it that I'm supposed to address these topics to your satisfaction?

Has black rock prevented you from doing anything in your day to day life?
This is such a simpleton mindset. Similar to someone saying “how do grown men having consensual acts in the privacy of their own homes affect daily life?”

@Cooper explained in detail how it has raised the cost of houses for the average person. So lots of people wanting to start families but without houses can’t do so.

Learn to see the bigger picture.
 
This is such a simpleton mindset. Similar to someone saying “how do grown men having consensual acts in the privacy of their own homes affect daily life?”

@Cooper explained in detail how it has raised the cost of houses for the average person. So lots of people wanting to start families but without houses can’t do so.

Learn to see the bigger picture.
I can see the bigger picture and am very much not a simpleton.

Black Rock and inflation are issues that need to be solved.

I'm merely pointing out that fixation these things that results in you not taking action for you own future growth is mental masturbation.

Learn to embrace controlling what you can control and ignoring the shiny scape goat.
 
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