The China Thread

[TruckDriver9]

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@Cooper @Australia Sucks this isn't the coronavirus subforum. Stay on topic (e.g. China's covid policy), or take it to the appropriate thread.

 

[LaAguilaNegra]

US is too broke for even a showdown with China after failing to win over even India. Han Feizi will likely be proven correct as he called it in May.

Unfortunately that means bad news for Latin America and the Domestic front soon as those outdated weapons will need to find a use somewhere.





Politico: Pentagon plan prioritizes homeland over China threat

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/05/pentagon-national-defense-strategy-china-homeland-western-hemisphere-00546310

Han Feizi: Asia without America, Part 3, Liberal Taiwan in a Realist World.

Asia without America, part 3: liberal Taiwan in a realist world - Asia Times

Mornin' will come, and I'll do what's right Just give me till then to give up this fight And I will give up this fight – Bonnie Raitt This is the third

asiatimes.com

Here is a sneak preview of Taipei as the PLA coaxes Taiwan into the Celestrial Empire.

Thinking that the U.S. suddenly flipped all its positions and is willingly downsizing its global ambitions and support structures is pure high grade hopium, CCP fanboys so desperate they'll literally take any and all news scraps for short term feel good vibes.

Reminder that this copetake has been used on the Middle East and Europe as well, thirdworldists there too were convinced the US would just 'p-p-pack up and l-leave because reasons', you just keep on falling for the same cheap lines.

The opposite is clearly happening, US is going full throttle on Asia even moreso now that the European dossier has been handed over to the EU+UK yet with Washington as decider and overseer. This development has resulted in increased alliance building in South Asia and the Pacific, the militarization of the first and second island chain containment zones, the crackdown on Chinese shenanigans an influence ops in much of the South East Asia and Pacific islands and the rapid military build up of allied states like the Philippines and Japan. Even a seemingly unrelated move like last weeks' demand that the US be handed back Bagram Airbase is tied into that pivot to Asia.

 

[Cooper]

Thinking that the U.S. suddenly flipped all its positions and is willingly downsizing its global ambitions...

How about this simple global ambition for the US - to stop licking Bibi's boot, is that too much to ask, and does this basic request makes one a "thirdworldist".



Say what you want about the Chinese, but I don't know if there is any other major power in the world today that tells it like it is.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Thinking that the U.S. suddenly flipped all its positions and is willingly downsizing its global ambitions and support structures is pure high grade hopium, CCP fanboys so desperate they'll literally take any and all news scraps for short term feel good vibes.

Reminder that this copetake has been used on the Middle East and Europe as well, thirdworldists there too were convinced the US would just 'p-p-pack up and l-leave because reasons', you just keep on falling for the same cheap lines.

The opposite is clearly happening, US is going full throttle on Asia even moreso now that the European dossier has been handed over to the EU+UK yet with Washington as decider and overseer. This development has resulted in increased alliance building in South Asia and the Pacific, the militarization of the first and second island chain containment zones, the crackdown on Chinese shenanigans an influence ops in much of the South East Asia and Pacific islands and the rapid military build up of allied states like the Philippines and Japan. Even a seemingly unrelated move like last weeks' demand that the US be handed back Bagram Airbase is tied into that pivot to Asia.

As an American, these moves wreak of desperation. You should come over here and visit the USA sometime, I think you will be shocked at how dirty, disgusting, and bad things are over here right now. No young man wants to fight for this disgusting country. The economy is a disaster; young people can't find jobs and still they can't recruit enough to fill the ranks with giant bonuses and other perks. The elites are desperate, they are throwing everything they have at China/Russia/Iran and they can't even crack outside layer. They are all growing stronger every day, while the USA grows weaker.

Once the west is no longer a White majority, and we are very close to this, it will have no way at all of stopping China. The question is, what would stop China from taking our valuable land, especially when they can sell to their citizens that it is justice to do so after we supported genocide in Gaza. Well, no, this is easy to answer, nothing will stop them, the question is when will they do this? 20 years? 30 years? 5 years? Who knows.

 

[Wutang]

still they can't recruit enough to fill the ranks with giant bonuses and other perks.

Wrong again - as typical

Army surpasses fiscal 2025 recruiting goal 4 months ahead of schedule

The U.S. Army surpasses its fiscal year 2025 recruiting goal of 61,000 recruits, thanks to leadership and innovative strategies, with four months to spare.

www.foxnews.com

National Guard beats 2025 recruiting goals

The recruiting successes mark the second consecutive year the Guard met its recruiting goals amid a U.S. military-wide boost in recruiting in 2025.

www.stripes.com

Your monthly reminder to not take IIMT analysis of anything whether it be dating or geopolitics or US politics or reality in general seriously

 

[Cooper]

Wrong again - as typical

Army surpasses fiscal 2025 recruiting goal 4 months ahead of schedule

The U.S. Army surpasses its fiscal year 2025 recruiting goal of 61,000 recruits, thanks to leadership and innovative strategies, with four months to spare.

www.foxnews.com

National Guard beats 2025 recruiting goals

The recruiting successes mark the second consecutive year the Guard met its recruiting goals amid a U.S. military-wide boost in recruiting in 2025.

www.stripes.com

Your monthly reminder to not take IIMT analysis of anything whether it be dating or geopolitics or US politics or reality in general seriously

He's wrong about recruiting numbers, and the notion that China is going to take over American land, but he's right on the main aspect of the ((swamp)) escalating forever wars for Israel with a running tab or $8 trillion while economic conditions continue to deteriorate at home.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Wrong again - as typical

Army surpasses fiscal 2025 recruiting goal 4 months ahead of schedule

The U.S. Army surpasses its fiscal year 2025 recruiting goal of 61,000 recruits, thanks to leadership and innovative strategies, with four months to spare.

www.foxnews.com

National Guard beats 2025 recruiting goals

The recruiting successes mark the second consecutive year the Guard met its recruiting goals amid a U.S. military-wide boost in recruiting in 2025.

www.stripes.com

Your monthly reminder to not take IIMT analysis of anything whether it be dating or geopolitics or US politics or reality in general seriously

Hey, a combination of the Trump bump, which will now fizzle as nothing is getting done + maybe the worst economy in USA history, it is by far when measuring against the Gold standard, yes including the Great Depression.

But we filled our quota for one year, after missing it for years and years on end prior and we are still short for peace time enrollment. Leading to equipment we can't even man and just sitting around.

Sure yea, this country is right back on track, LOL, good call.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

He's wrong about recruiting numbers, and the notion that China is going to take over American land, but he's right on the main aspect of the ((swamp)) escalating forever wars for Israel with a running tab or $8 trillion while economic conditions continue to deteriorate at home.

30 years down the line, if nothing changes, why would they not take this beautiful and valuable land? What would stop them?

 

[Wutang]

He's wrong about recruiting numbers, and the notion that China is going to take over American land, but he's right on the main aspect of the ((swamp)) escalating forever wars for Israel with a running tab or $8 trillion while economic conditions continue to deteriorate at home.

I think everyone here is on board with the notion that Israel is sucking the US dry which I why I don't point it out as a ridiculous notion. I will however point out when ridiculous theories such as China "taking the land and turning over everyone into fertilizer" gets repeated over and over again or when blatantly wrong information gets brought up such as the military not hitting it's goals. People are less inclined to believe the truth facts (Israel being a vampire on the US neck) if they are associated with ideas that are ridiculous and just untrue.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I think everyone here is on board with the notion that Israel is sucking the US dry which I why I don't point it out as a ridiculous notion. I will however point out when ridiculous theories such as China "taking the land and turning over everyone into fertilizer" gets repeated over and over again or when blatantly wrong information gets brought up such as the military not hitting it's goals. People are less inclined to believe the truth facts (Israel being a vampire on the US neck) if they are associated with ideas that are ridiculous and just untrue.

Do you honestly think, if the trajectory of both China and the west remain the same, that the west would be able to defend themselves against China?

 

[Cooper]

30 years down the line, if nothing changes, why would they not take this beautiful and valuable land? What would stop them?

Africa has 6-7 times the arable land the US has, and it is far more accessible to China than the US will ever be. And as mentioned earlier, half of China is empty, will be colonized once they irrigate it, and their population is going to lose 400-500 million people this century.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Africa has 6-7 times the arable land the US has, and it is far more accessible to China than the US will ever be. And as mentioned earlier, half of China is empty, will be colonized once they irrigate it, and their population is going to lose 400-500 million people this century.

Yes, China is already eating up Africa. When there is nothing to stop them from coming here, are you suggesting they just leave this land to third wolders because of benevolence, or because it is "too far", or they "already have enough with Africa"? Eventually they will take over the globe, just as Europeans did for hundreds of years, with no one to stop them, but they will not be so kindhearted to the non-Chinese, as the Europeans were to non-Europeans.

Good for them, they can learn from our mistakes. Maybe it is in 20 years, maybe it is in 50 years, but the fact is a bunch of third worlders cannot compete with the Chinese.

 

[Cooper]

Yes, China is already eating up Africa. When there is nothing to stop them from coming here, are you suggesting they just leave this land to third wolders because of benevolence, or because it is "too far", or they "already have enough with Africa"? Eventually they will take over the globe, just as Europeans did for hundreds of years, with no one to stop them, but they will not be so kindhearted to the non-Chinese, as the Europeans were to non-Europeans.

Good for them, they can learn from our mistakes. Maybe it is in 20 years, maybe it is in 50 years, but the fact is a bunch of third worlders cannot compete with the Chinese.

China's goal in Africa is to build them up and create a 1.5 billion people market for their cellphones, fridges and solar panels, as well as a place to get natural resources from and to outsource their lower-end manufacturing. This would also stabilize Africa and reduce emigration pressure on western Europe.

China's development model for Africa is very different from the current one, which consists of keeping the continent in chaos and fomenting wars in places like Congo or Sudan in order to maintain access to cheap resources.



China already dominates world trade, they have an annual trade surplus of over $1 trillion, which they have achieved with only ONE military base overseas, vs 800+ for the US, They have zero history or interest in Spanish or British-style colonial conquests.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

China's goal in Africa is to build them up and create a 1.5 billion people market for their cellphones, fridges and solar panels, as well as a place to get natural resources from and to outsource their lower-end manufacturing. This would also stabilize Africa and reduce emigration pressure on western Europe.

China's development model for Africa is very different from the current one, which consists of keeping the continent in chaos and fomenting wars in places like Congo or Sudan in order to maintain access to cheap resources.



China already dominates world trade, they have an annual trade surplus of over $1 trillion, which they have achieved with only ONE military base overseas, vs 800+ for the US, They have zero history or interest in Spanish or British-style colonial conquests.

I understand all this.

What I am saying is that in 30 years or 50 years, when the west is majority third world, and we can barely keep our lights on, and we start to resemble Africa of today, what would stop China. There is no other force out there that can contain them. At that point they could literally take on the world and win. Not that they would want to do this, they have their allies and their friends, whom they can work with and not need anything from. But the countries that caused them the most grief, and if you know anyone from China, they know very much where these countries are, why would they not at a minimum colonize them, and most likely do worse? Why would they not do this? No one can answer this, other than to bring it back to current times and say "well they can't afford to do that now", I know, that is why they don't do it now. But in an unknown amount of years, with the current trajectory of the west becoming a third world hellhole and China growing stronger, that point in time does eventually appear. Why would they not use it?

 

[TruckDriver9]

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

30 years down the line, if nothing changes, why would they not take this beautiful and valuable land? What would stop them?

You ever heard of the Pacific ocean bro?
Have you seriously studied Chinese history at all?
They have been a trading people for thousands of years and almost all of their major history is within their borders. Far beyond being just merchants who suck a local economy dry, they are also able to observe trends; I.e. most empires that expand due to violent acquisition eventually collapse under their own weight.

I agree with you on some things, but it's hard to take you seriously when you throw this type of claim in there willy nilly.

 

[Cooper]

I understand all this.

What I am saying is that in 30 years or 50 years, when the west is majority third world, and we can barely keep our lights on, and we start to resemble Africa of today, what would stop China. There is no other force out there that can contain them. At that point they could literally take on the world and win. Not that they would want to do this, they have their allies and their friends, whom they can work with and not need anything from. But the countries that caused them the most grief, and if you know anyone from China, they know very much where these countries are, why would they not at a minimum colonize them, and most likely do worse? Why would they not do this? No one can answer this, other than to bring it back to current times and say "well they can't afford to do that now", I know, that is why they don't do it now. But in an unknown amount of years, with the current trajectory of the west becoming a third world hellhole and China growing stronger, that point in time does eventually appear. Why would they not use it?

Older people in China have grudges, but mainly against Japan, leftover from WW2. The fact that Japan has never really repented for their very harsh occupation and slaughters like Nanking makes this a festering sore for the Chinese.

Economically speaking they grew up under conditions of severe poverty and material deprivation, China was on par with Nigeria and below the Philippines back in the 1980s, not that long ago. The average urban Chinese back then ate meat once or twice a month. They've never know the kind of prosperity and modernity that they are currently experiencing, so the average Chinese feels very satiated and grateful to their government for where they are now, and are optimistic about their future being even brighter. To the average Chinese, the West is a distant thing.

Where you might be right though is that China could challenge the US in their half of the Pacific, places like Guam.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

You ever heard of the Pacific ocean bro?
Have you seriously studied Chinese history at all?
They have been a trading people for thousands of years and almost all of their major history is within their borders. Far beyond being just merchants who suck a local economy dry, they are also able to observe trends; I.e. most empires that expand due to violent acquisition eventually collapse under their own weight.

I agree with you on some things, but it's hard to take you seriously when you throw this type of claim in there willy nilly.

Yea, you think a silly ocean will be a barrier in 30 years, or even now? I remember hearing this in the past and I thought the person was just joking around, maybe you are as well.

It wouldn't even have to be violent, the way they are growing and the west is falling, they could just send drones and robots to do the job. Who would stop them? No one has yet to answer that. If the west is no longer White, who would jump in to save the west when China eventually knows they can do this with little expense.

Were they historically only trading people because that is all they can ever be or because that was all they have available due to their location and hundreds of years ago ocean travel was actually a limitation, unlike today, much less in the future? Are they magically the one group of people who will not conquer much weaker civilizations, or are they human beings as well, who will do what all humans do, and that is conquer territory for their own benefit?

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Older people in China have grudges, but mainly against Japan, leftover from WW2. The fact that Japan has never really repented for their very harsh occupation and slaughters like Nanking makes this a festering sore for the Chinese.

Economically speaking they grew up under conditions of severe poverty and material deprivation, China was on par with Nigeria and below the Philippines back in the 1980s, not that long ago. The average urban Chinese back then ate meat once or twice a month. They've never know the kind of prosperity and modernity that they are currently experiencing, so the average Chinese feels very satiated and grateful to their government for where they are now, and are optimistic about their future being even brighter. To the average Chinese, the West is a distant thing.

Where you might be right though is that China could challenge the US in their half of the Pacific, places like Guam.

Have you asked them what they think about Europeans, more specifically England, due to the Opioid wars? They know very well who subjugated their people for hundreds of years and they don't let the Europeans/The West slide on what they did to them as well.

 

[Northern Pilgrim]

Have you asked them what they think about Europeans, more specifically England, due to the Opioid wars? They know very well who subjugated their people for hundreds of years and they don't let the Europeans/The West slide on what they did to them as well.

Did you ever ask who them who bailed them out against the Japanese in WWII???