In Vitro Fertilization

[Samseau]

The point is that it would be better overall as a policy if no one got it. The thinking that it is good because one random is decent and it helps him destroys sane social policy, whether we like it or not. It's also the same thinking women do, when they see Marth MaCallam on a news broadcast and let's say, she has 3 kids. I can do that too! lol

That's like saying no one should be allowed to use pain killers because some will abuse them.

 

[Blade Runner]

That's like saying no one should be allowed to use pain killers because some will abuse them.

Not at all like that, not one bit. Think about this a little more, your quick take is shameful here.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

When I lived in a majority black city I came up with a theory that incest was likely more prevalent among blacks given some of the things I saw, and for the very reason you cited above. With a high out of wedlock birth rate, men impregnating multiple women, then going to prison and getting released years later without ever seeing their children or even knowing that they had them, and knocking up new women in the same area after release, I’d bet there are a lot of black men and women in those cities that have created children together and never knew they were brother and sister through a common father.

Most confusing day in Harlem?

Spoiler

Father’s Day for blacks?

 

[The Penitent Man]

IVF is growing in the UK, with more lesbians and single clients using it - LifeSite

More than 3% of UK births in 2023 – 20,700 babies – were a result of IVF, up from 8,700 in 2000. Lesbians and single people are driving the increase, according to the BBC.

www.lifesitenews.com

More evils of IVF.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

Trump supporting IVF is evil.

 

[TheLearningWife]

IVF/surrogacy opened a huge can of worms.

More than 20 kids seized by CPS after discovering agency that allegedly tricked surrogates

California authorities investigating a child abuse case were stunned when they went to the home of he alleged crime and discovered more than a dozen other kids who are now in foster care.

lawandcrime.com

Surrogate was horrified to learn the couple she bore a baby for had 21 children

Kayla Elliott said she thought she was helping a family who couldn't conceive after failed fertility treatments.

www.nbcnews.com

“I was a bit hysterical,” she said. “You just don’t expect that you’re going to go through a pregnancy and a delivery and then hand the baby over to their parents and then all of a sudden find out that there was abuse and neglect going on.”

Influencer who had 21 surrogate babies with murderer husband is back!

Kristina Ozturk, from Moscow, shot to fame in 2021 when she revealed she and her husband spent £138,000 on surrogates between March 2020 and July 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The couple hit headlines in 2021 when Kristina revealed they spent £138,000 (€168,000) on surrogates between March 2020 and July 2021 - with 20 of their babies being born within one year.

Kristina also claimed she and Galip planned on having 105 biological children - all conceived via surrogacy - before the businessman was arrested three years after a special forces op unearthed 'particularly large amounts' of drugs at his house.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

IVF/surrogacy opened a huge can of worms.

More than 20 kids seized by CPS after discovering agency that allegedly tricked surrogates

California authorities investigating a child abuse case were stunned when they went to the home of he alleged crime and discovered more than a dozen other kids who are now in foster care.

lawandcrime.com

Surrogate was horrified to learn the couple she bore a baby for had 21 children

Kayla Elliott said she thought she was helping a family who couldn't conceive after failed fertility treatments.

www.nbcnews.com

Influencer who had 21 surrogate babies with murderer husband is back!

Kristina Ozturk, from Moscow, shot to fame in 2021 when she revealed she and her husband spent £138,000 on surrogates between March 2020 and July 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

“Let’s make fornication acceptable”
Result: Fags become accepted.

“Let’s get the government involved in marriage”
Result: Fag mirages are legalized.

“Let’s make IVF legal for older women who delayed marriage because of college, careers, and fornication.”
Result: Fags can now obtain kids to molest.

 

[Thomas More]

Let’s not forget what a man does to “donate his seed.”

They offer the option up front to collect the sperm sample without masturbating. You can wear a condom and have sex with your wife, then collect the sample from the condom afterwards and send it in.

I agree that IVF is a blessing for Christian couples that can't conceive. I do think that making multiple embryos and discarding the unused ones is the same as abortion, and I oppose doing that. As long as you don't discard any viable embryos, I think it is fine.

I will say as well that I understand the risk of behavioral problems is higher with IVF babies, but this is an acceptable risk for a childless couple. There's always a risk of a child turning out poorly, and that's just part of life.

 

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

I will say as well that I understand the risk of behavioral problems is higher with IVF babies

I never heard of this.

 

[Thomas More]

I never heard of this.

I have heard this in the past, and did a search on it just now. It is something that has been looked at in medical studies, and the studies claim that the odds of behavioral problems are about the same.

However, who can trust studies nowadays? My assumption is that where there's smoke, there's fire, and there is probably some increased risk. However, I think this risk is not severe, and is probably only a little higher than naturally conceived children.

The risk of actual physical or mental defects and diseases from birth is very real. Even among children that seem physically and mentally normal, the number that turn out as black sheep no matter how well the parents try to raise them is pretty high.

Out of any group of kids, such as all the kids you went to school with, or all the members of your extended family, there are a small number that turn out with exceptional characters, a group whose characters are average to fair, and a group who are just terrible people. Sometimes it's the parents fault, but there are plenty of families with good parents that have a mix of good kids and black sheep.

I suppose the same is probably true with IVF kids.