In Vitro Fertilization

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Judge orders 2-year-old IVF baby to be given to biological parents despite being raised by birth mom - LifeSite

With the rising popularity of IVF, egg donation, sperm donation, and surrogacy, Americans have been fed the marketing line that biology isn’t what makes a family. Yet in cases like Sophia’s, it becomes obvious that biology certainly matters when the adults say it matters.
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IVF is man attempting to be God, who opens and closes the womb. It results in murder just like standard abortion, as multiple fertilized eggs are discarded after the parents “select” the one they want and dispose of the rest. It also leads to this bizarre and nightmarish scenario where the biological mother may not even carry her own baby, and then you have the competing interests of the birth mother and biological parent with a child torn in the middle. It should be banned.
 
Many career women have functional uteri but their ovaries shrunk, aka no eggs (premature menopause, possibly due to stress-related factors). The solution some of them take is to buy a healthy egg cell (oocyte) from young female donors which is then fertilized with the sperm of their partners. Obviously these women are not biologically related to their offspring, but at least they console themselves how they carried "their" babies in their tummies.
Pretty sad, but this mode of industry is blooming across Europe.
 
In some of the Orthodox prophesies of the last days they said children would be born in unnatural ways and they wouldnt be capable of being holy, they called them something like devil children, I wonder if this is it?

The worst is when there are sperm donors because these kids will never know who their real father is and if a high % of society is having babies this way they might actually land up marrying their brothers and sisters without knowing.
 
GoodShepherd said:
In some of the Orthodox prophesies of the last days they said children would be born in unnatural ways and they wouldnt be capable of being holy, they called them something like devil children, I wonder if this is it?

The worst is when there are sperm donors because these kids will never know who their real father is and if a high % of society is having babies this way they might actually land up marrying their brothers and sisters without knowing.
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When I lived in a majority black city I came up with a theory that incest was likely more prevalent among blacks given some of the things I saw, and for the very reason you cited above. With a high out of wedlock birth rate, men impregnating multiple women, then going to prison and getting released years later without ever seeing their children or even knowing that they had them, and knocking up new women in the same area after release, I’d bet there are a lot of black men and women in those cities that have created children together and never knew they were brother and sister through a common father.
 
Watch the video embedded into the article. The future of "trust the science" culminates into complete processing of humans into how we want them. Even the process of carrying a child and the birthing of it is becoming looked down upon.
The future is naturalists vs scientism and COVID just exposed these two camps hardcore.
Also, this couple lives in San Fransisco in a massive home. The man isn't even on film, likely a big executive not wanting to be doxxed. Both women give off creepy vibes.


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Should Parents Discard Embryos at High Risk for Becoming Fat?

Orchid allows parents to screen their embryos' odds for breast cancer, irritable bowel syndrome, and obesity. How dystopian.
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SeekingTruth said:
Watch the video embedded into the article. The future of "trust the science" culminates into complete processing of humans into how we want them. Even the process of carrying a child and the birthing of it is becoming looked down upon.
The future is naturalists vs scientism and COVID just exposed these two camps hardcore.
Also, this couple lives in San Fransisco in a massive home. The man isn't even on film, likely a big executive not wanting to be doxxed. Both women give off creepy vibes.


www.dailysignal.com

Should Parents Discard Embryos at High Risk for Becoming Fat?

Orchid allows parents to screen their embryos' odds for breast cancer, irritable bowel syndrome, and obesity. How dystopian.
www.dailysignal.com www.dailysignal.com
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Aldous Huxley was a harbinger. Despicable.
 
In a certain sense, how can one not root for a type of depop at this point? The normies in combination with welfare, "health care" and technology are frankly out of control. If we had a country separation where we could all go, with sanity and sound money, I honestly wouldn't care what these people tried to do, as it wouldn't even last long - that's how insolvent the system is without productive people, who would all go to the normal country.
 
Nowadays many couples (including Christian couples) struggle to conceive naturally, despite doing everything right. There is often no clear , medically identifiable cause to their struggle to conceive. Many of these couples are still in their 20s. For some of these couples , fertility treatment (such as IVF) can be (and often is) the only for many of these couples.
In the UK, the NHS (state healthcare system) technically can provide one IVF cycle for couples - whoa re aged between 24 and 37 - and don't have any children yet. of course, in the case of the declining NHS this cane easily means long months on a waiting list. Those who can afford it, go to private fertility clinics. (There are only a few in the UK), which a e very expensive.
As an anecdotal evidence -Last year, I accompanied a my cousin and her wife to a private IVF clinic. Spending about an hour in awaiting room of an IVF clinic was an eye-opener. I saw couples (male-female pairings) , who appeared to be in their late 20s/early 30s.
Most people using IVF are hetero-normative couples who struggle to conceive naturally.
If you know a young couple (in their late 20s or early 30s) who don't have children yet- try not to make assumptions about them. It may be that they have been desperately trying to conceive baby but have not been able to. IVF is often the only chance for such couples to conceive their child(ren).
 
Moderately Lethal said:
Nowadays many couples (including Christian couples) struggle to conceive naturally, despite doing everything right. There is often no clear , medically identifiable cause to their struggle to conceive. Many of these couples are still in their 20s. For some of these couples , fertility treatment (such as IVF) can be (and often is) the only for many of these couples.
In the UK, the NHS (state healthcare system) technically can provide one IVF cycle for couples - whoa re aged between 24 and 37 - and don't have any children yet. of course, in the case of the declining NHS this cane easily means long months on a waiting list. Those who can afford it, go to private fertility clinics. (There are only a few in the UK), which a e very expensive.
As an anecdotal evidence -Last year, I accompanied a my cousin and her wife to a private IVF clinic. Spending about an hour in awaiting room of an IVF clinic was an eye-opener. I saw couples (male-female pairings) , who appeared to be in their late 20s/early 30s.
Most people using IVF are hetero-normative couples who struggle to conceive naturally.
If you know a young couple (in their late 20s or early 30s) who don't have children yet- try not to make assumptions about them. It may be that they have been desperately trying to conceive baby but have not been able to. IVF is often the only chance for such couples to conceive their child(ren).
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IVF is so far removed from the natural act that Christians believe in, I can't get to the point mentally to where I understand it's acceptance.
Also what the heck is "hetero-normative"? Why are you labeling something normal as "normal". Total clown world word usage.
I also hope "her wife" was a typo.
 
SeekingTruth said:
IVF is so far removed from the natural act that Christians believe in, I can't get to the point mentally to where I understand it's acceptance.
Also what the heck is "hetero-normative"? Why are you labeling something normal as "normal". Total clown world word usage.
I also hope "her wife" was a typo.
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While "hetero-normative" is very cringe, IVF when used for medical purposes seems blessed to me. Medical procedures have always been accepted by the Church. Using IVF for couples who aren't able to conceive naturally is a good thing.

Now, it's an entirely other question as to why infertility is increasing today - industrial toxins in our environs?
 
Samseau said:
While "hetero-normative" is very cringe, IVF when used for medical purposes seems blessed to me. Medical procedures have always been accepted by the Church. Using IVF for couples who aren't able to conceive naturally is a good thing.

Now, it's an entirely other question as to why infertility is increasing today - industrial toxins in our environs?
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I don't know much about it, I heard one woman call in during a radio show saying her children (embryos) are basically frozen in test tubes. One will be implanted while the others discarded.
 
Samseau said:
While "hetero-normative" is very cringe, IVF when used for medical purposes seems blessed to me. Medical procedures have always been accepted by the Church. Using IVF for couples who aren't able to conceive naturally is a good thing.

Now, it's an entirely other question as to why infertility is increasing today - industrial toxins in our environs?
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NSOE said:
I don't know much about it, I heard one woman call in during a radio show saying her children (embryos) are basically frozen in test tubes. One will be implanted while the others discarded.
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Let’s not forget what a man does to “donate his seed.”
 
Samseau said:
While "hetero-normative" is very cringe, IVF when used for medical purposes seems blessed to me. Medical procedures have always been accepted by the Church. Using IVF for couples who aren't able to conceive naturally is a good thing.

Now, it's an entirely other question as to why infertility is increasing today - industrial toxins in our environs?
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I have a family member that did it years ago and now has four kids. He had a congenital abnormality of his fertility tract so they had no choice. Not even Natural Family Planning (Catholic for doing everything you can outside of IVF) could fix that. I definitely don't judge him for his decision (although the Catholic Church currently does) as he has four beautiful kids and can't imagine his life without them. I believe, although I never asked, that he doesn't receive communion because of this.

Technology, science and modern medicine have given us a lot of wonderful things, and I use them so it would be hypocritical to bash IVF from this standpoint. Yet, this lady in the above article produced at least 15 embryos and they were just hand picking the best one based on some minute risk (not even a guarantee). What happens to the other unused embryos? Do they have souls? Do they suffer? What's actually going on here? Those are my major questions. IVF is going to be abused going forward without some major ethical stops put in place. Should we be hand selecting genetic traits? I don't see any pushback at all from the general public, which is a big contrast from human cloning concerns of the past. People were not ready for that but maybe IVF/genetic selection is the link to that acceptance. Anyway, slippery slope.

I would love to see what the sentiment is from the general public on that Twitter video but I don't own an account.
 
SeekingTruth said:
I have a family member that did it years ago and now has four kids.
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The point is that it would be better overall as a policy if no one got it. The thinking that it is good because one random is decent and it helps him destroys sane social policy, whether we like it or not. It's also the same thinking women do, when they see Marth MaCallam on a news broadcast and let's say, she has 3 kids. I can do that too! lol
 
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