Isn't a fleet oiler supposed to meet up with random ships one after another in the middle of nowhere to exchange fluids? I feel this name is actually appropriate...
Anybody else think the military is quickly turning into a personal grift whereby "service" members are actually ripping off citizens in the most insane ways, with their only incentive to serve themselves? Example Here
Hear me out gents: Yes, our current disability system seems to have morphed into a total and complete grift, but I think there is something far more cynical going on beneath the surface here, of which this disgusting disability fraud is only a symptom. That issue is this: Our current military is viewed by most people in this country as a way to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellow citizens. It is tyranny of the same type that roman tax-collectors placed on their contemporaries in their times. It is evil, and unsustainable for a "free country". I'll explain below:
I live in a VHCOL city with a large military presence, and while I bust my tail to provide for my family, I've noticed some uncomfortable truths regarding the military presence here. The first and most striking has been that EVERYBODY, and I mean everybody, that I talk to is on full disability from their time in the military. It is absolutely out of control. My friend who is a full time body-builder, legitimately entering competitions, is on full time disability for his 6 years of service. My other acquaintance surfs and trains BJJ daily, yet also on full time disability from his 4.5 years of service. These are young men, late 20's, who will be collecting a full disability paycheck for the rest of their lives. That doesn't seem right. Yet they openly brag about how they now receive a 4K/month, tax free, check for the rest of their lives. And yes, this is becoming insanely common (see the article I linked earlier).
Not only do these men receive checks from the government, they often go and get 6-figure jobs. And the disability checks keep coming even if they do have these jobs. And to make matters worse, they are exempt from property taxes as "disabled veterans" in many states. It is disgusting.
While this type of behavior may seem to only point to our selfish and entitled culture, it has serious consequences. For example, let's say you live in a city where ~40% of the citizens are "disabled." On top of their corporate salary, they are making full disability, getting free healthcare via the VA (therefore keeping more money per month, that I'm paying for my healthcare), and ALSO not paying property taxes on their real estate holdings. That is so lopsided in their favor, that they can afford WAY more house than anybody else. And we wonder why housing prices have skyrocketed? It's partly because of the military turning into a grift. And make no mistake, these military people ALL do it. I've met 04's who have 5 houses, because they also get subsidized housing loans through the VA loan (no money down, lower interest rates, etc). It's completely unfair.
And don't even get me started on these people's gaming of the tax system. They claim residency in NV or FL or something to escape the state income tax, while living in and owning 3 houses in CA... How is this legitimate? We all pay for the upkeep of roads and have to put up with these gay vehicle restrictions, yet military members with their NV license tag can drive around lifted monster tucks without paying a dime of CA tax... They benefit from the infrastructure and administrative state we all pay for, while vesting into the real estate market, but don't pay taxes for any of it. All because they are "serving" us.
Now some of them will say "well I'm temporarily deployed here so..." but we all know that is nowhere close to the truth. Most of these people own several million dollars of real estate here, live here, have kids here, etc. Most of these people are just gaming the system. How is that respectable behavior from a citizen? Either we all play by the same rules, giving up the same rights to leviathan in order to create a safe and stable society, or none of us do.
Now here is the icing on the cake. Trump asked the west coast seal teams to go into Mexico and do some training with their law enforeceemtn to go after the cartel. But the CO of the teams said no, because he was worried that their families living in SD would be targeted. WTF???? Thats your job dude. To wage war against our enemies. You don't get to exist as a midivil knight, living the high life off the sweat of the taxpayer, and then say "Oh, time to do our job? and it might have actual consequences? Nahhh. Our real estate holding here in SD are too valuable." It's a total joke.
So what we have today is this: A caste society whereby the military elite have special powers and privileges, and take full advantage of it. It is, in every way, forced quartering of troops. In the most cynical and modern fashion. It's evil, and it must stop. Or we will no longer have a free society. We will have an increasingly wealthy military officer class, who own everything and lord it over their fellow Americans in the MOST cynical fashion (as they are currently doing), and everybody else.
And my favorite part is when they try to claim "well, they sent me into the meat grinder, and now my knee hurts, blah blah blah..." Who is "they"??? Last time I checked, it's a voluntary military. You chose to go into it. Nobody forced you into the military. You chose to, likely driven by ego or because you had nothing else to do, and now you want to claim that "they" ruining your life??? No, you ruined your own life, now deal with the consequences. And btw, thats what "service" really is. Is anybody driven by motivation to "serve" their country when the incentives are this skewed? And we wonder why the rank and file are filled with cynical yes-men who toe the woke party line in order to keep their pensions and gravy train flowing...
We're reverting to medieval caste society gents. Simple as that.
Hear me out gents: Yes, our current disability system seems to have morphed into a total and complete grift, but I think there is something far more cynical going on beneath the surface here, of which this disgusting disability fraud is only a symptom. That issue is this: Our current military is viewed by most people in this country as a way to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellow citizens. It is tyranny of the same type that roman tax-collectors placed on their contemporaries in their times. It is evil, and unsustainable for a "free country". I'll explain below:
I live in a VHCOL city with a large military presence, and while I bust my tail to provide for my family, I've noticed some uncomfortable truths regarding the military presence here. The first and most striking has been that EVERYBODY, and I mean everybody, that I talk to is on full disability from their time in the military. It is absolutely out of control. My friend who is a full time body-builder, legitimately entering competitions, is on full time disability for his 6 years of service. My other acquaintance surfs and trains BJJ daily, yet also on full time disability from his 4.5 years of service. These are young men, late 20's, who will be collecting a full disability paycheck for the rest of their lives. That doesn't seem right. Yet they openly brag about how they now receive a 4K/month, tax free, check for the rest of their lives. And yes, this is becoming insanely common (see the article I linked earlier).
Not only do these men receive checks from the government, they often go and get 6-figure jobs. And the disability checks keep coming even if they do have these jobs. And to make matters worse, they are exempt from property taxes as "disabled veterans" in many states. It is disgusting.
While this type of behavior may seem to only point to our selfish and entitled culture, it has serious consequences. For example, let's say you live in a city where ~40% of the citizens are "disabled." On top of their corporate salary, they are making full disability, getting free healthcare via the VA (therefore keeping more money per month, that I'm paying for my healthcare), and ALSO not paying property taxes on their real estate holdings. That is so lopsided in their favor, that they can afford WAY more house than anybody else. And we wonder why housing prices have skyrocketed? It's partly because of the military turning into a grift. And make no mistake, these military people ALL do it. I've met 04's who have 5 houses, because they also get subsidized housing loans through the VA loan (no money down, lower interest rates, etc). It's completely unfair.
And don't even get me started on these people's gaming of the tax system. They claim residency in NV or FL or something to escape the state income tax, while living in and owning 3 houses in CA... How is this legitimate? We all pay for the upkeep of roads and have to put up with these gay vehicle restrictions, yet military members with their NV license tag can drive around lifted monster tucks without paying a dime of CA tax... They benefit from the infrastructure and administrative state we all pay for, while vesting into the real estate market, but don't pay taxes for any of it. All because they are "serving" us.
Now some of them will say "well I'm temporarily deployed here so..." but we all know that is nowhere close to the truth. Most of these people own several million dollars of real estate here, live here, have kids here, etc. Most of these people are just gaming the system. How is that respectable behavior from a citizen? Either we all play by the same rules, giving up the same rights to leviathan in order to create a safe and stable society, or none of us do.
Now here is the icing on the cake. Trump asked the west coast seal teams to go into Mexico and do some training with their law enforeceemtn to go after the cartel. But the CO of the teams said no, because he was worried that their families living in SD would be targeted. WTF???? Thats your job dude. To wage war against our enemies. You don't get to exist as a midivil knight, living the high life off the sweat of the taxpayer, and then say "Oh, time to do our job? and it might have actual consequences? Nahhh. Our real estate holding here in SD are too valuable." It's a total joke.
So what we have today is this: A caste society whereby the military elite have special powers and privileges, and take full advantage of it. It is, in every way, forced quartering of troops. In the most cynical and modern fashion. It's evil, and it must stop. Or we will no longer have a free society. We will have an increasingly wealthy military officer class, who own everything and lord it over their fellow Americans in the MOST cynical fashion (as they are currently doing), and everybody else.
And my favorite part is when they try to claim "well, they sent me into the meat grinder, and now my knee hurts, blah blah blah..." Who is "they"??? Last time I checked, it's a voluntary military. You chose to go into it. Nobody forced you into the military. You chose to, likely driven by ego or because you had nothing else to do, and now you want to claim that "they" ruining your life??? No, you ruined your own life, now deal with the consequences. And btw, thats what "service" really is. Is anybody driven by motivation to "serve" their country when the incentives are this skewed? And we wonder why the rank and file are filled with cynical yes-men who toe the woke party line in order to keep their pensions and gravy train flowing...
We're reverting to medieval caste society gents. Simple as that.
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Yeah it’s the same way with cops (most of whom are former military).
Yep military is a huge grift. The amount we spend on our “defense” budget is absolutely sickening. We would be much better served cutting it by half at least and returning that money to taxpayers, but that will never happen.
Your story sounds similar to mine. I have a buddy/coworker that works in a six figure physical trade. Also was military and claims the $4k disability monthly payment. Makes $14-15k a month combined and lives with his parents so has no expenses. Good for him I guess. He was non-combat logistics and admits to me it was a BS injury he’s just milking to get the free money. Really boils me because my wife and I both make good money ($200k combined) and can’t even afford a house here. Pay out the ass on taxes and get nothing in return…even have to send my kid to private school because of the faggot Marxist public school system here.
I too live in a VHCOL region of the country with a military base and see how negatively it affects things here. The landlord class that bought up all the property years ago love them though. They can charge $3-4k a month for a 70-year-old dilapidated apartment here and know they’ll get it via the taxpayers. It makes housing here unattainable for anyone that’s not a millionaire. I’ve also worked on the base before and have interacted with these people and as a result I have a very low opinion of them. Most of them are of very low morals and are only in it because the military has become a huge welfare program for people that in terms of IQ/skills would otherwise be working at Walmart or McDonald’s. If we ever had an actual war like Russia/Ukraine you can bet your ass most of these people would desert.
Really tired of the constant military/police bootlicking that occurs in this country. We need to be asking honest questions about where our money is going and how it benefits us.
Yeah police departments love the military. They’re of the same mold. If jews told them to arrest all white Christian nationalists they would happily do it in order to protect their big ass pensions. Police/military are not our friends. Conservatives need to realize this.
There is tons of folks who go to the military, can't hack it, then get disability even when they never deployed.
It's pretty aggravating and it's more prominent in the Army and Navy, and I saw a lot of it when I got out.
That said, if you serve overseas, you will get some form of injury and wear and tear and exposure to things.
The disability payments serve as an incentive to ensure people are willing to serve. It's part of your compensation package and entitlements.
The argument is that you're giving up time in a career And being exposed to things In your work environment that are hazardous and negatively impact your health.
Hell yeah the benefits of a VA loan and GI Bill are a huge boon. It's a calculation you make when you decide to join.
And it's clear you, and many making your argument, dont understand the mind of an altruistic 18 year old wanting to be a Patriot and serve their country. Understand it doesn't make sense to you.... But kinda seems like you're complaining because you think it's unfair when you have the same ability to sign up yourself...
Just don't want to run the risk of getting killed.
It's funny you call it a caste system.... All the founding fathers served and fought in some capacity... So how does that work?
We don't playa hate, we playa celebrate. While you be out picking cotton dem feds be printing dem free dollaz for everybody. Why hate on a white nigga stackin' his bread? Let dem folks butter his biscuit, niggas is hungry. You talking crazy.
Oh no! You got me!
Having a generally positive view about law enforcement and military makes me a jew... Yeah makes sense.
Ill be sure to tell the cop this morning at Church who was providing security that we are goyim after next week's liturgy.
Meanwhile we use our Military and police to remove illegals. How Jewish of them.
Knowing that the boomers are dying out, and reading the comments from young men, + seeing the anger start to boil over in Europe + the policies of our police during the BLM riots, I don't think there will be much more bootlicking of these apparatuses. "Conservatives" as a class are mostly dying out, what will remain after boomers will be some weirdo strivers, and women using social media to show themselves shooting guns, which is the ultimate cringe.
As for the military and police members, they have some very hard choices to make very soon, and I think deep down many of them realize it. Most probably plan to collect the paychecks while they still can and switch sides when it hits the fan, but this is a tough game of walking on a razor's edge. You couldn't pay me enough to be put into that position.
As I've said.... It's part of the entitlement/ compensation package.
If you view it in that lense it makes total sense.
Obviously someone who never deployed and never did anything other than flunk out of basic training shouldn't be getting the disability (sadly I've seen it happen)
But at the same time, there are guys who don't properly document and file things and have to go back and get things addressed via multiple claims with the VA.
Frankly the way the give out tax payer dollars, I just look at it like people with skin in the game are getting benefits from their own payment I to the system.
When I first got out I didn't really feel great about the disability because I still had all my limbs and all that. Fast forward to having to having multiple ER visits and chronic pain, and I have zero guilt about it at all. At 35, you're not supposed to be this physically screwed up.
But for every case like mine where there are legit things, there are people who abuse the shit out of the system and that's a huge problem.
Do not insult fellow forum members.
You’re either a fed or you’re a retarded boomer.
You realize there’s trades that are statistically more dangerous than police/military and don’t require selling your soul to ZOG? We also don’t ask for constant handouts for being some fake ass “patriot.” Get dem taxpayer dollars doh. Total nigger behavior.
Nah, though I do have a couple of buddies from the Marines who are cops or feds.... But me ... I'm an American patriot whose got skin in the game, a large family, and live in a border state.
I personally think military service should be a prerequisite for voting rights also... Which Im sure chaps your tushy....
Imagine a world where people disagree with you and yet are neither feds nor boomers.
I know it's shocking to break your Internet paradigm but there are genuinely good veterans and police in the world.
Man I sure have no regrets. Obviously I wish my friends who were killed were still here, but I'd have done it all over again even in spite of all the terrible things.
Met some of the best people in the world. Got to do things that Little Lord Fauntleroys like yourself wouldn't fathom... Got a master's degree out of it....made tons of connections.
Yeah it was a sweet deal that I earned.
You fought for Moloch and his jewish oligarchs. Congratulations. Enjoy your fed payout.
Haha man it's great watching people get so triggered.
I'm sure my priest who's also a vet shares your view. Sure makes sense why we pray for out troops in the liturgy too huh?
Or did they stop doing that in the Catholic Church when the last Pope had Amazonian demons effigies at the Vatican?
The only one triggered is you, because I exposed you as a fed kike-sucker. You disliking my posts is female behavior. Ultimately, you and your priest will have to answer to God for what you did while serving the jewish demons.