A pleasant women with no interest in God is arguably better than a nutjob Christian woman. The former's issue can be easier to correct than the latter's.
A marriage performed in the Church will always have value. However, we are generally only supposed to marry faithful, practicing Orthodox or in certain cases other practicing Christians baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity. Anything else is asking for trouble.
I guess we need to describe what we mean by 'pleasant' as my definition mostly meant not radically feminist or masculine or promiscuous.
The sad reality is many men on this forum are obsessed with meeting a trad women but the most likely reality is they DID move to Serbia or Armenia or Romania or Russia is they would just meet that country's version of liberal/westernized woman who just appears RELATIVELY sane compared to American women HOWEVER that's mostly because she hasn't been exposed to the same forces of manipulation/brainwashing her entire life so is she really BETTER? Hard to say!
You're addressing the generic guy who is starved out and not generally optimistic in things because of the poor state of women, lack of youth, laziness, diet and questionable families over the years. Still, the foreign woman will have much better overall respect for at least a sane culture. The western woman isn't very aware of what that even is. The older women are somewhat sane but the ship has sailed and most are not just 35, they're closer to 40-45. They think a guy around their age is going to be interested in them, lol, NO
It's easier in a sense for a guy like Fr. Moses to have traversed this because he didn't have a strong conviction and belief system earlier, so in this decrepit society that weirdly helped find a mate, and THEN he found the truth. It's sorta like having kids earlier and just dealing with that reality as you move forward, but at least you have kids. High risk indeed, but better than staunch orthodox in some ways with few to no options since the orthodox parents of the USA and west still just sent their daughters to university, jobs, big cities, etc.
It doesnt seem like either of them were Christians before they got married by the looks of it and then they became Christians, this is a before and after and I can see the transformation in both, I think they have like 6 kids and shes pregnant woth the 7th now.
Can you point to a location where churches of full of young (16 - 25) single women? Every bit of anecdotal evidence I have heard from young men who attend church is that the ratio of single men to young single women is very out of wack in most churches. To the point where one attractive and single early 20s woman in a church is going to get swarmed by 20 dudes as soon as the service is finished.
Iv gone to churches here in America it seems pretty balanced out, Im married so wasnt really looking around but there are single people around and they all socialize after church at coffee and they young adults even go to restaurants together etc so it should be pretty easy to meet
Yeah but I am not talking about single mums or 40 year old roasties. I am talking about prime aged single women (without children). Most women in the church are either married, single mums or 30+ years old. Next time you go to church ask some of the single young men how it is for them to try and meet a woman at the church and see what they say.
I agree. The issue that makes your point more of a technicality is that most of the west is dead on arrival. That is, few are even good looking beyond the good behavior and other parts. So if you can't even get close to #1 (sexual attraction and youth), you're not going anywhere. We can't deny that we are men and that is just basic biology. Again, jobs, diplomas, too many words, etc don't give me a boner and I can't have sex with them, either.
A while back I posted on a video where one of the priests was talking about how he came to Orthodoxy and the title was a catchy one like "Why there is a surge in young men in the church" or some such thing. I knew this was going to happen but I listened and when I came to the part, after he described why young men are coming into Orthodoxy in large numbers, the priest flat out said that he didn't know why (young) women weren't coming into the church. He did say that he noticed that families were part of the new influx. It's odd to me that so many of these guys have little to no understanding of the basic biology and attributes of men and women. That part alone (families coming in) should easily show you that men thus are LEADING their wives into the Church. I find it sort of bizarre that a sharp man would be fairly clueless regarding women's indifference on most things in life but for X, Y or Z (base things and time preference). Is it because of their wives and goggles? Is he holding back because he still doesn't want to say something anti-egalitarian or politically incorrect?
Maybe he said it more to try and encourage women listening to come into the church rather than him literally not knowing why women are not joining the church.
Of coarse she can change but you are an Orthodox Christian according to your profile so I dont think your priest, a spiritual father or anyone in the church would recommend or bless you to persue that woman in her current state but if back in the day before you were both Christian and you landed up getting married then thats another story that would have been your wife still today thats a seperate issue.
Anything is possible, but from many discussions (this was with another man, a layman who I don't think was Orthodox either) my sense is that they truly don't know. His tone was also perplexed. I truly think they have fallen into egalitarianism and don't realize how debased women really are and/or ignore how chaotic the female (archetype) truly is. Do they think that it was just "random" that women had more kids, behaved well, weren't sluts, etc when they were previously under social control or restrictions, but once those were lifted all of a sudden they just randomly lashed and acted out? It's amazing ignorance to me, how obvious it is. It's also important purely from a population and birth rate point of view, so you'd think men who generally direct people to healthy lives and the production and rearing of children would care.
