WHY WUZ TEH BANT (Contest my ban lounge)

So Music was banned for blasphemy for a few weeks and then the ban was extended for plagiarism? Wouldn’t it make more sense to send Music a PM regarding the plagiarism to read when the ban was over as opposed to a weird retroactive punishment which wasn’t clear?

An interesting point. A few questions follow that may help to clarify the situation with MFTP and to inform other members about posting and communication guidelines at CIK.

@Samseau for your consideration:

1. Was MFTP given a second temp ban while already serving a current temp ban? If so, this will seem unfair from the perspective of a few members, depending on how they view the severity of the second infringement.

> Either way, what is the CIK mod policy or rationale on this retroactive multi-ban process?

It may be worthwhile to make this policy clear to all members, perhaps with an update to the forum rules page. The number of CIK members are inherently limited (unless someone volunteers to action a sustained multi-media marketing campaign). So, addressing this issue may be more important compared to responding to individual issues within another, larger community.

2. This situation raises another question as referenced by RL:

Also for the moderation part, anyone can send any of the current ones a message and explain an issue they might have. Remember they're also still human.

Does the CIK forum setup allow a temp banned member to PM or otherwise contact CIK admin/mods (e.g., to directly appeal a temp ban)?

> If not, this feature may be worth considering if it is feasible.

> If so, this could eliminate or reduce the desire to create a secondary account and to communicate a plea through another member. In any case...

> Is a temp banned member able to continue an existing conversation but not to create a new one? These threads suggest that this is true, however they are quite old:
https://xenforo.com/community/threa...rom-replying-to-existing-conversations.55187/ &
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/block-personal-conversation.24106/



Broader Thoughts

I would encourage any temp banned member to consider (a) taking maximum ownership of their actions and (b) clarifying their wider intentions, even if they disagree with the mod on the issue of the temp ban.

It's perfectly understandable that members, including myself, would want to rebuke a temp ban if we believed it was unjust. It's still important to balance this with taking responsibility and thinking about the bigger picture. This does not mean that we should just shut up and take it; rather, it means that it's possible to voice our opinion and disagree in a calm manner, while simultaneously self-reflecting and keeping our larger purpose in view.

My Experience. I got temp banned on RVF 2.0 a couple of times. Most recently, it was for posting a satirical GIF and a few words of mockery in response to an arrogant post by an obvious sock puppet account. The puppet account gloated with incredible condescension at my temp ban, but then got perma banned. My insight was vindicated yet my temp ban remained. I thought my temp ban was both excessive and misplaced. I felt a strong need to "have my say" and show everyone "who was right". After my ban lapsed, I took a breath and decided that (a) it wasn't worth it, and (b) I am OK to keep posting without mocking others via GIFs as a reasonable compromise if it meant maintaining my account and connection to the community.

Takeaway. If a member engages in X posting behaviour (e.g., plagiarism) and they get temp banned for it, then they may benefit from considering that they should only continue to engage in X behaviour if that truly is the hill they're willing to get banned on. Justifying why X behaviour is actually OK to repeat doing, or trying to twist the meaning of X behaviour, is probably not going to help in keeping their account.

Conclusion. If a mod can see that a temp banned member is able to adjust his attitude and behaviour following a warning, it's probably going to increase the likelihood that the mod will review other unrelated future infractions with more charity. Conversely, if a temp ban -- let alone multiple temp bans -- seem to have little to no influence on a member's posting behaviour, this will probably indicate to the mod that a longer or a permanent solution is needed to eliminate the unwanted behaviour. I hope this helps.
 
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Conclusion. If a mod can see that a temp banned member is able to adjust his attitude and behaviour following a warning, it's probably going to increase the likelihood that the mod will review other unrelated future infractions with more charity. Conversely, if a temp ban -- let alone multiple temp bans -- seem to have little to no influence on a member's posting behaviour, this will probably indicate to the mod that a longer or a permanent solution is needed to eliminate the unwanted behaviour. I hope this helps.

I have a few thoughts regarding this when it comes to the MFTP situation.

When he was given the first temp ban that lasted for a week, one of the first posts on the day he made when he was allowed to post again was to say that he was "silenced by cowards" (https://christisking.cc/threads/the-destruction-of-modern-women.59/page-97#post-88594) and other comments that was obviously attacking Samseau even if he didn't mention him by name. Keep in mind this was after he had received a bunch of warnings that didn't result in bans. My point is that he already been dealt with in a manner that was meant to be meant as correction and was given many chances to adjust his attitude. His reaction to this discipline was to further continue with the sort of behavior that go him into hot water in the first place.

Now that he actually has received serious discipline he is coming through with a much more meek spirit. However even if he writes about being "willing to return with repentance" in his entire post I don't see really any confession of wrongdoing. He admitted to creating a sock puppet account but even then he still blames the forum administration for somehow compelling him to do so and said what he did was merely a "reaction" to it. Even during his show of repentance and of being penitent he still ultimately lays the blame for what happened on the moderation and portrays himself to be the victim . That is not repentance but rather an attempt to paint himself as some sort of hapless martyr that didn't deserve the censure he brought up himself which I reiterate - was something that happened over a long period of time and was gentle for most of the period until the discipline started to be ramped up once it was clear he was not showing any sign of reversing course as can be seen in the screenshot Samseau had posted with his long list of infractions.

Other people have pointed out that he completely refuses to cop to plagiarism while trying to justify it by pointing out it's not explicitly part of the rules (can I start posting links to my MLM or internet marketing scam product because there's no explicit rules against that?) and I'll add one more thing: in his apologia where he discusses plagiarism he is completely defecting and creating a red-herring by making it seem like people were accusing him of plagiarism because he quoted the Bible. This is completely laughable that anyone thinks anyone think citing from the Bible is what people had in mind when they think of plagiarism. He talks about how he is merely doing the same thing theologians did in their writing except he forgot to mention that these men were meticulous about indicating when they were quoting Scripture and also citing the saints and philosophers that they were taking their ideas from. Thomas Aquinas constantly would write "The Philosopher says -" when he would refer to something Aristotle had wrote for example.

It_Is_My_Time also has been banned twice but his outcome has been completely different from Music's. When IIMT was banned he waited out his ban and then returned without drama. The people who disagree with him (Samesau being one of them) still disagree with him but he has been able to post freely without any sort of issue. I offer this as an example of how I believe the discipline being applied in this forum does allow for offenders to eventually come back and that if someone gets himself into the depth of trouble Music has, then he only has his own actions to blame for it.
 
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I am in receipt of a large document from MusicForThePiano
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I would have been more shocked if it was under 100 words.

There is a quote from Albert Einstein :

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he cannot even send and receive PMs from other members as was possible on RVF.

Banned members on RVF could not send or receive PMs either after their banning....so no difference there.

we have lost quite a few already

No one member has been "lost" except annoying trolls and repeat rule breakers.
The rest left of their own accord.


As for MFTP himself, he really seems incapable of apologizing, accepting defeats gracefully, or showing humility.
These are fundamental Christian virtues which would inspire forgiveness from others.
People who cant even follow such basic principals or even attempt some basic self introspection (mea culpa) do not belong on a Christian forum.
MFTP's never ending arrogance, pride, defiance, and inability to shut up, are downright nauseating.


There is nothing Christian in his attitude or behavior that would warrant leniency.
In fact in my opinion this latest veiled attempt at spamming the forum is ground for INCREASING his ban time to a full 2 YEARS.


Also, I honesty think there should be a time limit to how long a ban can be disputed or discussed here.
MFTP was banned over 3 weeks ago.
We've all had our say....it's time to move on without him.
 
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Personally, I don't really care. Your writing is good, you're obviously smart, and a rose by any other name still smells as sweet. However, not copping to the seamless blending of your writing and someone else's (including "editing" their writing to blend better with yours) in an attempt to seem smarter than you actually are is "weird."
I enjoy reading his material but also think that is weird if that's what he did however no-one has yet pointed out very clearly that he has done that. It still remains allegations without proof.

Everyone ticks differently, and has their quirks. I don't really fancy myself as a writer and am more into joining forces with those who are likeminded than debating those who are of a very different persuasion. Either way I personally can't imagine doing that myself, putting energy into seamless blending of one's writing with someone else's and editing their writing to blend better with yours. It is a strange thing to want to do, but a lot of people on this forum are strange in different ways.
Looks like Music finally got da ban hammer ....the 5 paragraph posts make sense IF* it's clear this was a result of plagiarism... But I missed where that was discovered

Can someone give me the TLDR bullet point Summary?
Nobody seems to be able to give any proper plagiarism analysis, where it was discovered. It still appears that @Samseau was judge, jury and executioner in this case.

In 2011 there was a famous plagiarism case which was Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg a former defense minister of Germany under Angela Merkel. He was an extremely charismatic and popular politician, some say likely to become chancellor. Then it started to come out that thirty years previously, in his PhD thesis, he had copied various parts of it. It snowballed and then he was out of politics. Some background in English here if you're curious :
There were several reports and they calculated that 21.5% of zu Gutenberg's thesis was plagiarised :
There was also a lot of debate about whether the plagiarism was deliberate or accidental.

This is the link of most relevance to this situation :
That bit underneath „Mehr als nur ein Quell der Inspiration“ the 17 slides.

It clearly shows side by side 17 examples of zu Guttenberg's text side by side with other texts from which they were plagiarised, the relevant passages coloured in blue.

Has proof of that kind been posted on the forum? If so please post a link I might have missed it.

If not, this remains an allegation without proof. Just suspicion.

Does anyone know what percentage of Music's text was plagiarised - It's a bit difference if it was say 3% vs 20%..

As I read this thread it does sound like there was a measure of arrogance and repeat offending. Could do with a bit of humbling perhaps. Still though, one of the major accusations remains as speculation without proof. @Samseau since you did the ban please post five or so examples of Music's text and the source where it was lifted from and seamlessly blended into his own writing. Other users throwing around the accusation without proof are welcome to help.

Quite a few people think the ban period was over the top :
Anyway, three months seems like a sufficient time out to me.
Give him a month or two, he might calm down.
but I do think a year ban is too long and he did have some insightful posts.
...although it sounds like the software does not allow that to be changed.

I'm over it myself at this point, however this remains a Soviet style purge without some proof to the contrary. Corrupt and in bad faith.
 
I enjoy reading his material but also think that is weird if that's what he did however no-one has yet pointed out very clearly that he has done that. It still remains allegations without proof.

Everyone ticks differently, and has their quirks. I don't really fancy myself as a writer and am more into joining forces with those who are likeminded than debating those who are of a very different persuasion. Either way I personally can't imagine doing that myself, putting energy into seamless blending of one's writing with someone else's and editing their writing to blend better with yours. It is a strange thing to want to do, but a lot of people on this forum are strange in different ways.

Nobody seems to be able to give any proper plagiarism analysis, where it was discovered. It still appears that @Samseau was judge, jury and executioner in this case.

In 2011 there was a famous plagiarism case which was Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg a former defense minister of Germany under Angela Merkel. He was an extremely charismatic and popular politician, some say likely to become chancellor. Then it started to come out that thirty years previously, in his PhD thesis, he had copied various parts of it. It snowballed and then he was out of politics. Some background in English here if you're curious :
There were several reports and they calculated that 21.5% of zu Gutenberg's thesis was plagiarised :
There was also a lot of debate about whether the plagiarism was deliberate or accidental.

This is the link of most relevance to this situation :
That bit underneath „Mehr als nur ein Quell der Inspiration“ the 17 slides.

It clearly shows side by side 17 examples of zu Guttenberg's text side by side with other texts from which they were plagiarised, the relevant passages coloured in blue.

Has proof of that kind been posted on the forum? If so please post a link I might have missed it.

If not, this remains an allegation without proof. Just suspicion.

Does anyone know what percentage of Music's text was plagiarised - It's a bit difference if it was say 3% vs 20%..

As I read this thread it does sound like there was a measure of arrogance and repeat offending. Could do with a bit of humbling perhaps. Still though, one of the major accusations remains as speculation without proof. @Samseau since you did the ban please post five or so examples of Music's text and the source where it was lifted from and seamlessly blended into his own writing. Other users throwing around the accusation without proof are welcome to help.

Quite a few people think the ban period was over the top :



...although it sounds like the software does not allow that to be changed.

I'm over it myself at this point, however this remains a Soviet style purge without some proof to the contrary. Corrupt and in bad faith.


Main in-depth documented incident that I am aware of. With the volume of that dude's texts it's reasonable to infer this was a habit of his. He goes on to claim he just "forgot" to cite or strawmans that people expect him to paraphase every text he shares, obvious damage control. Goes hand-in-hand with his tactic of endlessly dropping overwhelming walls of text and hours-long videos to give a false impression of authority and veracity. These are rhetorical tricks not employed by good faith truth seekers.
 
I'm not arguing this anymore. It is a strange thing to do, and it does now sound like he provoked some level of ban.

Please remember the MFTP tried to come back immediately posting here with one or more sock puppet accounts after a much shorter ban, and it was this specific arrogant and childish action which resulted in upgrading his ban to a full year.
 
I have a few thoughts regarding this when it comes to the MFTP situation.

When he was given the first temp ban that lasted for a week, one of the first posts on the day he made when he was allowed to post again was to say that he was "silenced by cowards" (https://christisking.cc/threads/the-destruction-of-modern-women.59/page-97#post-88594) and other comments that was obviously attacking Samseau even if he didn't mention him by name. Keep in mind this was after he had received a bunch of warnings that didn't result in bans. My point is that he already been dealt with in a manner that was meant to be meant as correction and was given many chances to adjust his attitude. His reaction to this discipline was to further continue with the sort of behavior that go him into hot water in the first place.

Now that he actually has received serious discipline he is coming through with a much more meek spirit. However even if he writes about being "willing to return with repentance" in his entire post I don't see really any confession of wrongdoing. He admitted to creating a sock puppet account but even then he still blames the forum administration for somehow compelling him to do so and said what he did was merely a "reaction" to it. Even during his show of repentance and of being penitent he still ultimately lays the blame for what happened on the moderation and portrays himself to be the victim . That is not repentance but rather an attempt to paint himself as some sort of hapless martyr that didn't deserve the censure he brought up himself which I reiterate - was something that happened over a long period of time and was gentle for most of the period until the discipline started to be ramped up once it was clear he was not showing any sign of reversing course as can be seen in the screenshot Samseau had posted with his long list of infractions.

Other people have pointed out that he completely refuses to cop to plagiarism while trying to justify it by pointing out it's not explicitly part of the rules (can I start posting links to my MLM or internet marketing scam product because there's no explicit rules against that?) and I'll add one more thing: in his apologia where he discusses plagiarism he is completely defecting and creating a red-herring by making it seem like people were accusing him of plagiarism because he quoted the Bible. This is completely laughable that anyone thinks anyone think citing from the Bible is what people had in mind when they think of plagiarism. He talks about how he is merely doing the same thing theologians did in their writing except he forgot to mention that these men were meticulous about indicating when they were quoting Scripture and also citing the saints and philosophers that they were taking their ideas from. Thomas Aquinas constantly would write "The Philosopher says -" when he would refer to something Aristotle had wrote for example.

It_Is_My_Time also has been banned twice but his outcome has been completely different from Music's. When IIMT was banned he waited out his ban and then returned without drama. The people who disagree with him (Samesau being one of them) still disagree with him but he has been able to post freely without any sort of issue. I offer this as an example of how I believe the discipline being applied in this forum does allow for offenders to eventually come back and that if someone gets himself into the depth of trouble Music has, then he only has his own actions to blame for it.
What about the part where the temp ban was extended mid temp ban? Is that gonna be addressed?

Also using the word “attack” is cringe. Words are not violence.
 
Goes hand-in-hand with his tactic of endlessly dropping overwhelming walls of text and hours-long videos to give a false impression of authority and veracity. These are rhetorical tricks not employed by good faith truth seekers.
He couldn't even help doing this during what maybe his final communication with this forum. He went on and on about how he is participating in a sacred 2000 tradition in the vein of people like St. Jerome (forgetting that church fathers and theologians always cited who they were quoting from) and randomly posted a screenshot of a list of various manuscripts that held passages from the Bible and how his critics are somehow intellectually wrongheaded because they never mention anything about Parpyus P75 - as if that had any relevance to the topic at hand.

This is why he was constantly getting accused of bombarding people with "walls of texts". People were objecting to the posts not for merely being long but rather because he had a very marked tendency to inflate his posts with endless text and links to hour long videos in order to give them seem more impressive and intellectually filling - even if the extra content was ultimately vacuous and didn't actually add to the strength of his arguments. A lot of his posts are stark examples of how people sometimes think increasing quantity can make up for a deficiency in quality.
 
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This is bizarre and splitting hairs. To me it sounds like an admission of guilt without taking any responsibility for deception. And this coupled with the "could you deliver this message to my ex-girlfriend because she won't talk to me" style of slipping this message into the forum just hurts MFTP's ban rebuttal even further and comes across as feminine and weak. I always liked MFTP and initially didn't think the ban was warranted but now I'm not so sure (especially with the attempted sock account).

It's a rare day when I whole heartedly agree with @PurpleUrkel but he really nailed it here.
This latest attempt to weasel back onto the forum with more word salads and spam (after his sock puppet accounts failed) is just desperate and cringe worthy beta male behavior.

Here is how I imagine MFTP acts when making a phone call:

 
What about the part where the temp ban was extended mid temp ban? Is that gonna be addressed?

Also using the word “attack” is cringe. Words are not violence.
Q: "There's never been any proof of X"
A: Previous post with proof of X is posted.

Q "This claim in his defense has never been addressed"
A" Claim has been addressed repeatedly.

Why does this pattern always happen? These topics have been gone over repeatedly. There's no 'gotcha' here.

For the question of why was his shorter ban extended; his ban was upgraded to a year because he made sock puppet accounts to get back on the forum during his initial short ban. This has been widely discussed.
 
It's a rare day when I whole heartedly agree with @PurpleUrkel but he really nailed it here.
This latest attempt to weasel back onto the forum with more word salads and spam (after his sock puppet accounts failed) is just desperate and cringe worthy beta male behavior.

Here is how I imagine MFTP acts when making a phone call:



Looks like maybe you guys think alike, I'm sure there are many other similarities you guys share that well overshadow any disagreements you have.
 
It's a rare day when I whole heartedly agree with @PurpleUrkel but he really nailed it here.
This latest attempt to weasel back onto the forum with more word salads and spam (after his sock puppet accounts failed) is just desperate and cringe worthy beta male behavior.

Here is how I imagine MFTP acts when making a phone call:



I think you meant gamma male behaviour.

Re MFTP, posting with sock puppet accounts is really more than enough to warrant the ban.
 
I have a few thoughts regarding this when it comes to the MFTP situation.

When he was given the first temp ban that lasted for a week, one of the first posts on the day he made when he was allowed to post again was to say that he was "silenced by cowards" (https://christisking.cc/threads/the-destruction-of-modern-women.59/page-97#post-88594) and other comments that was obviously attacking Samseau even if he didn't mention him by name. Keep in mind this was after he had received a bunch of warnings that didn't result in bans. My point is that he already been dealt with in a manner that was meant to be meant as correction and was given many chances to adjust his attitude. His reaction to this discipline was to further continue with the sort of behavior that go him into hot water in the first place.

Now that he actually has received serious discipline he is coming through with a much more meek spirit. However even if he writes about being "willing to return with repentance" in his entire post I don't see really any confession of wrongdoing. He admitted to creating a sock puppet account but even then he still blames the forum administration for somehow compelling him to do so and said what he did was merely a "reaction" to it. Even during his show of repentance and of being penitent he still ultimately lays the blame for what happened on the moderation and portrays himself to be the victim . That is not repentance but rather an attempt to paint himself as some sort of hapless martyr that didn't deserve the censure he brought up himself which I reiterate - was something that happened over a long period of time and was gentle for most of the period until the discipline started to be ramped up once it was clear he was not showing any sign of reversing course as can be seen in the screenshot Samseau had posted with his long list of infractions.

Other people have pointed out that he completely refuses to cop to plagiarism while trying to justify it by pointing out it's not explicitly part of the rules (can I start posting links to my MLM or internet marketing scam product because there's no explicit rules against that?) and I'll add one more thing: in his apologia where he discusses plagiarism he is completely defecting and creating a red-herring by making it seem like people were accusing him of plagiarism because he quoted the Bible. This is completely laughable that anyone thinks anyone think citing from the Bible is what people had in mind when they think of plagiarism. He talks about how he is merely doing the same thing theologians did in their writing except he forgot to mention that these men were meticulous about indicating when they were quoting Scripture and also citing the saints and philosophers that they were taking their ideas from. Thomas Aquinas constantly would write "The Philosopher says -" when he would refer to something Aristotle had wrote for example.

It_Is_My_Time also has been banned twice but his outcome has been completely different from Music's. When IIMT was banned he waited out his ban and then returned without drama. The people who disagree with him (Samesau being one of them) still disagree with him but he has been able to post freely without any sort of issue. I offer this as an example of how I believe the discipline being applied in this forum does allow for offenders to eventually come back and that if someone gets himself into the depth of trouble Music has, then he only has his own actions to blame for it.

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Solid post. I agree.

I am not sure if I expressed myself clearly so I'll clarify a couple of things. I'm not suggesting that the overlapping multi-ban situation should change anything regarding the longer ban of MFTP. I raised it moreso as an opportunity for the mods to consider defining this and other ban/comms procedures.

Above all, I think he is LUCKY to have only received a one year ban and not a permanent ban. I'll illustrate why the one year ban may have seemed excessive at first glance, but is actually generous, with just one example (of the many to choose from, e.g., the constant insulting of other members with highly inflammatory language).

Second, let us define plagiarism clearly:

"The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."

I have not done this. This is an anonymous forum, not an academic journal or commercial platform. None of our names are on anything we write. I do not claim authorship for profit, prestige, or deceit....

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This is an incredible response.

First, it is a clear denial of reality as evidenced in depth here:

Second, for someone who has such high regard for his own skills of analysis and reasoning, this is an unbelievably weak argument. According to this logic, because we don't use our real names here it's not possible to engage in deceitful plagiarism? Why then do we have usernames and post through individual accounts? Why not just post under one anonymous blob? Unreal.

Third, it's an absolute denial of any responsibility. This is a sure sign that no self-reflection or learning has taken place even after having multiple opportunities, and thus, little will change after one more year.

Fourth, and perhaps most importantly, it reflects a worrying trend of deceptive, self-serving, and arrogant behaviour. Passing off others work as his own, creating a second account, twisting literature and words to suit his own agenda, etc. All these things erode trust. With these kind of personality types, it's likely that most expressions of "my bad" don't reflect a sincere apology; but rather, they represent feigned remorse which is designed to decieve others about their true attitudes and intentions.

For anyone who has reviewed (a) the 10+ ban incidents, (b) the supposed plea from MFTP via Stadtaffe, and (c) the comments from myself other members on the matter -- and still thinks MFTP was unjustly persecuted -- please feel free to explain by what metric or rationale can anyone trust that this person is likely to return and suddenly start posting in good faith.

I can't imagine being so charitable as a volunteer moderator on an online forum to allow this behaviour to continue any longer. Indeed, the role can be very testing and most members can't experience this stress directly. No doubt, @Samseau has much more patience than me 🫡

P.S. Thanks for the laugh:


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For anyone who has reviewed (a) the 10+ ban incidents, (b) the supposed plea from MFTP via Stadtaffe, and (c) the comments from myself other members on the matter -- and still thinks MFTP was unjustly persecuted
The example of plagiarism was back in April 2024. Why is music being banned now for that? If he wasn’t punished before perhaps he saw plagiarism under an anonymous username as acceptable for this forum.

Furthermore, if the temp ban was extended for no fair reason, then that’s a problem and is concerning.
 
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The example of plagiarism was back in April 2024. Why is music being banned now for that? If he wasn’t punished before perhaps he saw plagiarism under an anonymous username as acceptable for this forum.

Furthermore, if the temp ban was extended for no fair reason, then that’s a problem and is concerning.

These type of questions have been answered multiple times in this thread in the past 5 pages.
You're just trolling now.
 
These type of questions have been answered multiple times in this thread in the past 5 pages.
You're just trolling now.
No I’m not trolling. I am asking a question and no one has provided a direct answer to me as to why music’s ban was extended from a couple weeks to a month.

Serious, just address it right now:

Why was music’s 2 week ban extended to a month?
His original ban was for a month
No, the original ban was for a couple weeks and then was changed in the middle of the temp ban to a month.
My 2-week ban (for “blasphemy”) was set to end on April 21st. A few days before that expiration I noticed that
it had been extended by four more weeks in absentia to May 15th.
^No one wants to address this.

The only response is regarding the other extension.

Is @Steady Hands trolling? He’s asking the same question as me regarding the extension.
@Samseau for your consideration:

1. Was MFTP given a second temp ban while already serving a current temp ban? If so, this will seem unfair from the perspective of a few members, depending on how they view the severity of the second infringement.

> Either way, what is the CIK mod policy or rationale on this retroactive multi-ban process?
 
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