US Border Crisis

[FrancisK]

Ok let’s say you do that. You run as a moderate and then after decide to implement martial law, have the military patrol the cities, round up every illegal in the country and put them in detention centers for a quick deportation. Sounds like the most effective plan, in theory.

The question is how to do it practically on the ground. First, the media is not on our side. We don’t have the ability to silence them like Putin or whoever else. That means there will be videos and pics dropped nonstop. It will turn into a global propaganda war about the brutality of the US government.

Second, certain local and state governments will simply not comply. What happens then? Do you use the military to take over their local
PDs and force them to go after illegals?

Third, members of your own party will defect and call for it stop. Even guys like Rand Paul, who are as conservative as they come, have publicly stated that using the military is a terrible idea.

Fourth, you will give the liberals so much ammunition and play right into their narrative.

Here’s a parallel…

From 1965 to 2010 or so did anyone really think the Dems would turn into a trans story hour radical DEI party? If you ask most people they didn’t. They seemed reasonable in the Clinton years.

But what were they doing in the meantime? Were they on TV stating they wanted to chop off kids genitalia and replace the white population? No, what they were doing was gaining institutional power so they could implement their agenda. They slowly boiled the frog and nobody noticed. Once the takeover of institutions was complete, then they came out with the real radical stuff.

Same concept. The real agenda is project 2025. Look at what they say about immigration. They want to deport the illegals, but they need to do it without having it backfire. They also need to remake the federal government and retake the institutions. They slowly boil frog, and make the changes they want.

I wish I could give every positive reaction possible to this post. I'm tired of hearing about unrealistic solutions and actions that will never actually happen, this line of thinking is how you succeed and fix the problems.

 

[The Penitent Man]

Ok let’s say you do that. You run as a moderate and then after decide to implement martial law, have the military patrol the cities, round up every illegal in the country and put them in detention centers for a quick deportation. Sounds like the most effective plan, in theory.

The question is how to do it practically on the ground. First, the media is not on our side. We don’t have the ability to silence them like Putin or whoever else. That means there will be videos and pics dropped nonstop. It will turn into a global propaganda war about the brutality of the US government.

Second, certain local and state governments will simply not comply. What happens then? Do you use the military to take over their local
PDs and force them to go after illegals?

Third, members of your own party will defect and call for it stop. Even guys like Rand Paul, who are as conservative as they come, have publicly stated that using the military is a terrible idea.

Fourth, you will give the liberals so much ammunition and play right into their narrative.

Here’s a parallel…

From 1965 to 2010 or so did anyone really think the Dems would turn into a trans story hour radical DEI party? If you ask most people they didn’t. They seemed reasonable in the Clinton years.

But what were they doing in the meantime? Were they on TV stating they wanted to chop off kids genitalia and replace the white population? No, what they were doing was gaining institutional power so they could implement their agenda. They slowly boiled the frog and nobody noticed. Once the takeover of institutions was complete, then they came out with the real radical stuff.

Same concept. The real agenda is project 2025. Look at what they say about immigration. They want to deport the illegals, but they need to do it without having it backfire. They also need to remake the federal government and retake the institutions. They slowly boil frog, and make the changes they want.

Yawn. So your big plan is to take a thousand years to go and march back through all the institutions that the left already marched through and right over in the last century? Bet they’ll never see that coming.

You have an issue with perspective and urgency. You are the frog, and they are the pot, not the other way around. They’ve been boiling you for a while now and you’re just about cooked through. If you sit in there and wait you are not going to be able to boil the pot, the pot is going to boil you. To save yourself you need to jump out, but that means you’re going to have to take a leap. Then you can turn off the heat, and remove the pot from the griddle.

I would agree with everything you said if we were in the USA twenty to thirty years ago. But things have decayed a lot since then, and the problem is time. The problem is time because of demographics, with which we are all familiar.

Even if you sealed the border today, you’d still have tens of millions of Mexicans alone still here, not counting however many other flavors of foreigner, all reproducing at an exponentially faster rate than the native population. You’ll live to see yourself become a minority. Good luck with your institutions then.

I haven’t seen anyone propose some absurd teenage fantasy like declaring martial law and running around like Bane in that Batman movie. I like to exaggerate and kid but come on. I’m promoting things that are certainly possible but that people simply don’t have the stomach for, and therein lies the real problem.

In this here USA we have: methodically killed roving bands of violent savages and marched their progeny onto little reservations; built big concentration camps and forced whole races of people to live in them to protect the native population; protected borders with violence including going to war to assert and enforce territorial claims; liberally applied capital punishment for various crimes against person and property by both legal and extralegal means; forcibly removed Mexicans living within US borders by the million using military style methods; and [many other noble things].

So you will say, that’s simply not grounded in reality in this political climate and this day and age. I respectfully disagree, and believe that men of determination and intelligence could engineer ways to go about the problem systematically while building increasing momentum. It wouldn’t all come at once, but that’s also with the understanding that we also don’t have decades to spare.

And yes, the media is priority one. It seems we agree on that.

 

[The Penitent Man]

I wish I could give every positive reaction possible to this post. I'm tired of hearing about unrealistic solutions and actions that will never actually happen, this line of thinking is how you succeed and fix the problems.