The Venezuela Thread

This was just naked imperialism, straight up international gangsterism by the biggest, baddest, and most ruthless gang on the planet: the United States Government. This is no different than the mafia shaking down a successful business, the owner refusing to pay, and then that owner suddenly having a "mysterious accident" or going missing. All this nonsense about Maduro being some sort of criminal or running a drug cartel is just that; this was blatantly just a power play. They did it simply because Venezuela has something they wanted, and they calculated that they could take it without much difficulty.

The long-term fallout of this operation is of course impossible to predict (i.e. a Venezuelan migrant crisis, a possible Venezuelan civil war or prolonged insurgency, similar regime change operations undertaken in other countries), but in the short term a success like this always looks like a win. I wouldn't have supported something like this based on principles of non-intervention, so all I can do is shake my head. But the reality is that this is simply what international power politics looks like, and has always looked like. There is no morality among great powers, nor are there principles. There are only interests and capabilities. One dog or another will always be the biggest and the meanest on the block, and he will do as he pleases to the others, until another dog takes his place. And if you are that big, mean dog, and you don't take advantage of your strength while you have it, you are doing yourself a disservice. It's very easy to disapprove of a lot of the things Trump has been doing lately, but he seems to at least recognize this basic fact of great power politics, for better or worse.
It’s a massive flex. Yeah, we kidnapped your leader and took your stuff. So what are you and your friends going to do about it? Thought so.
 
Yup. Politics and crime are the same thing. An ugly truth is that on some level, a government has to be "evil" for the good of it's people. The government lies to you so that you don't realize this, but it's the truth. What galls me about this instance is that I know this will do nothing to benefit the American people, but will instead be for the good of special and foreign interests. The system exists for itself.

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I’m still very skeptical that this will end well for the United States common people. I imagine the best case scenario would be a migration of migrants from Venezuela, returning to Venezuela to try to rebuild their country now the most recent dictator is gone.

As far as how this works out in terms of oil? We’ll see.

The oil in Venezuela is higher in sulfur, which makes it lower quality in general, but more suitable for diesel. Also, depending on who you ask, they have some of the largest reserves of oil in the world, maybe Saudi Arabia has more.
 
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An ugly truth is that on some level, a government has to be "evil" for the good of it's people.
We often (understandably) lament the fact that we are ruled over by sociopaths. This used to bother me a great deal when I was younger and more idealistic, until one day I realized that this was simply the nature of power. Sociopaths are attracted to power like moths to a flame, and thus will inevitably acquire it in any system of politics or government, no matter how well-intentioned or designed it may be. Even a hereditary monarchy will ultimately fall prey to this phenomenon, either through gradual subversion by powers coalescing around and behind the throne, or by the overthrow of a weak monarch by a more ruthless and cunning (read: sociopathic) rival.

Indeed, if you actually think about it for awhile, you inevitably conclude that sociopathy is a requirement for those in power. It actually seems to be beneficial, at least as regards international competition, because as I noted in my previous post, morality simply cannot be a factor in international relations. Any nation ruled by idealists would quickly find itself victimized, invaded, and asset-stripped. The feckless, harebrained leadership we see in Canada and the EU (and in most of the Democratic party in the US) exemplify the sort of ruin that happens to a country when its rulers are too idealistic for their own good.

Of course, this model presupposes that the sociopathic elite running a country are actually elites from and of that country. When you have foreign sociopaths running the place, you're in for a world of hurt. But that's when people start noticing.
 
This was just naked imperialism, straight up international gangsterism by the biggest, baddest, and most ruthless gang on the planet: the United States Government. This is no different than the mafia shaking down a successful business, the owner refusing to pay, and then that owner suddenly having a "mysterious accident" or going missing. All this nonsense about Maduro being some sort of criminal or running a drug cartel is just that; this was blatantly just a power play. They did it simply because Venezuela has something they wanted, and they calculated that they could take it without much difficulty.

The long-term fallout of this operation is of course impossible to predict (i.e. a Venezuelan migrant crisis, a possible Venezuelan civil war or prolonged insurgency, similar regime change operations undertaken in other countries), but in the short term a success like this always looks like a win. I wouldn't have supported something like this based on principles of non-intervention, so all I can do is shake my head. But the reality is that this is simply what international power politics looks like, and has always looked like. There is no morality among great powers, nor are there principles. There are only interests and capabilities. One dog or another will always be the biggest and the meanest on the block, and he will do as he pleases to the others, until another dog takes his place. And if you are that big, mean dog, and you don't take advantage of your strength while you have it, you are doing yourself a disservice. It's very easy to disapprove of a lot of the things Trump has been doing lately, but he seems to at least recognize this basic fact of great power politics, for better or worse.

Asserting dominance over what essentially is our backyard. If we won't do it, someone else will. Plain and simple.
 
Of course, this model presupposes that the sociopathic elite running a country are actually elites from and of that country. When you have foreign sociopaths running the place, you're in for a world of hurt. But that's when people start noticing.
The mask is slipping big time. The Wizard of Oz will tell us in the very near future how this has lowered gas prices, lowered drug traffic, and all in all was a big win. Meanwhile, what people already see and hear on the daily will not change.
 
Asserting dominance over what essentially is our backyard. If we won't do it, someone else will. Plain and simple.
Bingo. This has been going on in one form or another since James Monroe in 1823. Specific administrations like Carter, Clinton, Biden, and Obama let it slide allowing other great powers into our backyard. It's been less than 24 hours since the attack and there have been no further attacks. This seems like even less of an intervention than Granada or Panama under Reagan.

As it says in Ecclesiastes 1:9, " What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140413142145/http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8839 (see question 21 and JFK's answer)
 
Asserting dominance over what essentially is our backyard. If we won't do it, someone else will. Plain and simple.
Goes much further than that because the US is not going to withdraw from any theater globally - and pivots framed as such are not worth much consideration. Ergo by moving on Venezuela and tipping over the first domino that will by extension lead to a list of other Latin American countries re-considering alignments and shenanigans, the US is clearing out any possible launchpad and deterrence mechanism it's main adversaries (Russia, China and before Iran) might have to equal out US escalatory moves in either the Indo-Pacific, Europe or the Middle East.

Furthermore Venezuela wasn't just 'existing' in the Western Hemisphere vacuum, it was actively aiding and abetting China's rise, an Russia+ Iran's survival. Ergo by taking out/over Venezuelan oil production, a future takeover of Iran and the recent move on Somaliland (Bab al Mandeb/ Suez Canal) the US is accelerating into an aggressive policy of securing energy production sites, shipping routes and naval choke points globally. An Iranian flip would additionally also mean that the US'd take over the Strait of Hormuz, that's a Chinese nightmare right there.

The Trillion Dollar Beast aka US military just showed the world what first world planning, execution, and technological prowess looks like. Can't say you weren't warned. Trump and team (special shout out to Rubio) will feel emboldened after this massive success, which already comes off the back of the triple A dismantling of Iran's nuclear program. Keep an eye out for more action on Iran, they are in the ropes and ripe for the picking despite what any lowbrow slopmerchants online will tell you. The US installing a US friendly government there would mean the 2 for 1 type of screwtighteninf of the Changs - who would by then kinda have to abandon 50 year old policy of at least nominal non-interference.
 
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The four million strong Bolivarian citizen militia didn't do much yesterday despite bi-weekly reports on its readiness, but nevertheless they are even readier today. In additional news Maduro launched an International Brigade kinda thing before he got snatched off the streets like a straydog and sent on a mandatory vacation. This was in October already and it's open to all nationalities, many Latino commies are open to joining the Simón Bolívar Internationalist Brigades to 'defend the revolution'.



 

As impressive as this was, I can think of an even more impressive mission. What if instead of doing snatch and grabs on communist beaners in another continent and taking them here, these men used their skills to escort communist beaners here to another continent. I can think of a few in Washington that could use the trip.
 
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