The Sopranos Discussion/Appreciation Thread (Renewed)

[Thomas More]

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I noticed Columbus day on the calendar sometime last week, but I had forgotten all about it until I saw this meme.

I think Columbus day only matters if you get it off, and otherwise nobody pays much attention to it. That being said, it was a big accomplishment for him to discover the New World, even if he never realized it. He thought he had found the East Indies and believed this for the rest of his life. Even after returning to the New World multiple times and spending a lot of time there, he persisted in believing he'd reached East Asia.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

In the Sopranos, there's a strange word play between "horses" and "whores." For example, Tony's horse is compared to the stripper that Ralph killed.

I knew that this was in the Sopranos but it wasn't until I rewatched Godfather 2 last night that I realized they lifted it from The Godfather.

In the first film, the Corleone Family gets the Hollywood director by killing his horse and placing it's head in his bed:


In the second film, the scene where they "Epstein" the Senator is a direct parallel to the horse head scene from the first film. Makes you wonder if the "horse head" is allegorical:

 

[eradicator]

I’ve watched the series many times now, and this is always bothered me: how did Vito know that Jacky Junior was hiding in the Bootons projects?

I get that Jacky must’ve slipped up somehow and left a trail of breadcrumbs inadvertently. But I feel like I must’ve missed something because I have no idea how they found him.

The nearest I can figure is that Omar little didn’t like the way Jackie had no patience for playing chess so he gave him up as a freebie

There’s a number of unwritten cues like Melfie sending meadow and Carmela to shrinks that could advise them escape mob life

But there’s maybe something subtle here about Jackie jr that I’m missing

@GodfatherPartTwo

 

[Get2choppaaa]

In the Sopranos, there's a strange word play between "horses" and "whores." For example, Tony's horse is compared to the stripper that Ralph killed.

I knew that this was in the Sopranos but it wasn't until I rewatched Godfather 2 last night that I realized they lifted it from The Godfather.

In the first film, the Corleone Family gets the Hollywood director by killing his horse and placing it's head in his bed:


In the second film, the scene where they "Epstein" the Senator is a direct parallel to the horse head scene from the first film. Makes you wonder if the "horse head" is allegorical:

By chance did you read the Mario Puzo book?

The first and second film are lifted from that book.

When I was about 13 I was obsessed with the Godfather and got the book from my dad as a birthday present. It's been a while but there's more to it if I recall correctly on both the senator and the horse head than the movie covers.

My wife and I recently watched all the Sopranos. She had never seen them. At first she thought the show was disgusting and Tony was an ahole.

By the end of it she was so pissed with the ending and refused to accept it as Tony getting wacked and believed the less popular (though open for some interpretation) belief that life just goes on for Tony. It was pretty comical.

Anyway the show had an indelible mark on pop culture and was one of the last ones produced by major Hollywood to call out the Jews AND have a father figure as a positive influence.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

By chance did you read the Mario Puzo book?

The first and second film are lifted from that book.

When I was about 13 I was obsessed with the Godfather and got the book from my dad as a birthday present. It's been a while but there's more to it if I recall correctly on both the senator and the horse head than the movie covers.

My wife and I recently watched all the Sopranos. She had never seen them. At first she thought the show was disgusting and Tony was an ahole.

By the end of it she was so pissed with the ending and refused to accept it as Tony getting wacked and believed the less popular (though open for some interpretation) belief that life just goes on for Tony. It was pretty comical.

Anyway the show had an indelible mark on pop culture and was one of the last ones produced by major Hollywood to call out the Jews AND have a father figure as a positive influence.

Yes. The book is excellent. Five stars. Even the extra storylines that fans of the movie didn't like are good. It's also genuinely funny at parts. The first film and Vito's origin story in the second are covered in the book. Michael's story in the second and Part 3 were original, and thus more personal to Coppola. For that, I still have to give the edge to the film. I like the grittiness that 2 has, it sheds some of the romanticism from 1, going for pure Tragedy.

I gave my pastor a present for Christmas once. It was in a white box. As he and his wife were cutting it open, he asked me "There's not going to be a horse's head in here is there?"

One of the details I liked in the book was that Kay (R.I.P Diane Keaton) was the daughter of a Baptist preacher, only to convert to Catholicism after marrying Michael.

The book is helpful for understanding the film. The medium, the text, allows you to see things in the film that you would have to go out on a limb on when you only have the image and no dialogue to back it up. For example, the book explicitly compares Sicily to the Garden of Eden. The film captures some of that by comparing Michael, through his attraction to Apollonia, to the Devil.

I've only known one woman who ever told me Godfather (2) was her favorite movie. Most of them don't like it, or Sopranos. It's not made for them. Some of them like it. I like to watch it through their eyes.

Almost nothing or nobody was sacred in The Sopranos. The Jewish therapist who warned Carmella to leave was one of the "prophets." The scientist in the hospital. My favorite was the Evangelical pastor who visits Tony in the hospital. Been a few years since I've seen it or Boardwalk Empire. I'm going to have to give them a rewatch this year methinks.

 

[GodfatherPartTwo]

I’ve watched the series many times now, and this is always bothered me: how did Vito know that Jacky Junior was hiding in the Bootons projects?

Even Sil knows where he's at in the start of the episode. If Sil knew, Ralph definitely knew. Since Ralph knows, Vito knows since he's part of Ralph's crew.

The nearest I can figure is that Omar little didn’t like the way Jackie had no patience for playing chess so he gave him up as a freebie

You may be on to something there. He knows that Jackie is wanted and in hiding. I would've assumed it was the cops since they use the cops to spy for them. But they also have a direct line to the blacks since they frequently task them with carrying out their hits.

 

[eradicator]

Even Sil knows where he's at in the start of the episode. If Sil knew, Ralph definitely knew. Since Ralph knows, Vito knows since he's part of Ralph's crew.


You may be on to something there. He knows that Jackie is wanted and in hiding. I would've assumed it was the cops since they use the cops to spy for them. But they also have a direct line to the blacks since they frequently task them with carrying out their hits.

When they were looking for Matthew Bevilacqua, someone says to Tony “someone will give them up to gain points with us“ or something to that effect. So it may be, we should assume that someone, either police or someone who would have access to that sort of knowledge, gave up Jacky Junior