The Sopranos Discussion/Appreciation Thread (Renewed)

In season 6 part two (2007) AJ is depressed over losing that hot latina girlfriend and Meadow is trying to console him and he says:

"Do you realize we're gonna bomb Iran? You watch... just before Bush leaves office... you know I'm right."

Awkward Jim Carrey GIF
 

Never seen anyone talk about how this scene literally shows a Madonna/Whore complex by placing the Virgin Mary next to a stripper pole. Janice explains it to Carmela earlier in the show, but Carmela hated the truth of it. For people like Tony, they cannot see their wives as objects of sexual desire. They can only see them as affection givers, like a good mother. The mistresses are seen as sex objects, but not respectable enough to marry.

Something else I find interesting, could just be a coincidence; stripper poles are said to originate with Asherah worship. They are called Asherah poles in the Bible. Asherah was a sex goddess called the "Queen of Heaven." Some Christians refer to Mary as the Queen of Heaven. Not sure if the show was making a connection there, but I wouldn't underestimate these writers.
 

On my latest rewatch, I picked up on the use of teeth as a symbol of lost innocence. I never understood why Tony's teeth fall out in The Test Dream, but I believe it represents his maturation into adulthood/criminality. Due to his circumstances, growing up = becoming a gangster for Tony. It's also why AJ pukes when Tony tells him that he's "gotta grow up" after his failed hit on Junior. Tony traded in his baby teeth (childhood innocence) for "tooth fairy money."



Would've been neat to have a flashback scene of Johnny Boy knocking one of Tony's teeth out. Tony's conscious anger towards his mom is displaced. His subconscious anger is towards his dad.


Tony notices he's wearing a tooth from the guy he curbstomped during his therapy session with AJ. He notices it right when AJ says that he was afraid of Tony.

Tony is both Victim and Victimizer. As a victim of his own father, Tony is happy that AJ does not go down the same path he did and loves him for it. As a victimizer, Tony is jealous that AJ is not forced by his father to go down the same life he did and hates him for it.
 
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Watched this series for the first time recently, very good stuff. However I don't think I'll ever be able to do a full rewatch, the later seasons are just too dark and Tony's evil is so nakedly on display that it's quite hard for me to handle.

Best characters: Johnny Sack, Ralphie, Tony ofc, Christopher, Junior
Worst characters: Vito, Tony B, Janice, AJ

I'm a big Buscemi fan but he didn't fit into the show well at all, lacked charisma in the role which wasn't written well either.
 

In the first episode, Tony describes himself as the sad clown: laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. It's an image of a good person. But Tony's self-diagnosis is exactly wrong. The final episodes make it clear that Tony is one who cries on the outside (to convince others he is sympathetic to them and to garner sympathy for himself) but laughs on the inside (because his evil nature enjoys getting it's way). I love this scene because Melfi sees through Tony's facade, and because it shows the nature of all evil people, that they ultimately blame God and not themselves for all the evil that is done in the world.


Tony can barely even pretend to mourn for Christopher so he goes to Vegas to get away from everyone else who is genuinely mourning. In Vegas, he is able to take the crying mask off and laughs about his good luck in gambling, which he consciously attributes to the death of Christopher and subconsciously attributes to the death of his father. The image of the devil on the slot machine is able to sober Tony up for a few brief moments. Also, kudos to the show writers for setting this scene in Ceasars Palace.

It's easy for people to watch a show like this and point their fingers at someone like Tony and tell themselves that they're not as evil as him, so that they can tell themselves they are good. That's the point of the restaurant scene in Scarface. But when we do that, we our doing the same thing that Tony does, we are putting on a fake mask of self-righteousness and avoiding accountability for the evil we do in our own lives.

Tony is at his most depressed when he has a true assessment of himself:

Tony's therapy scenes are like Christian confessionals but flipped in reverse. The point of confession is to recognize that you are evil and to take responsibility for it, and to receive grace as a result. Tony takes his therapy as an opportunity to self-justify, deflect responsibility, and in the end he will receive God's judgement.
 
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