The Reaction To "Game" & Other Past Vile Behaviour - After Enlightenment - Thread

More theological innovations on the part of MusicFromThePiano. We already have him claiming that Europeans are the true Israelites - an idea that no one in any of the churches/denominations has come up with until the 19th century and now he's telling Christians not to evangelize in direct contradictions to Christ's own words and the mission of the church. Also he seems to be saying the Gospel is ineffective and apparently can't change or regenerate people.

I have argued strongly against his points in the past on such topics as flat earth which while I feel is absurd I never called for suppression or censorship of the topic and preferred instead to present counter arguments. I myself have not argued against him on topics such as WW2/Hitler and such since it's not an area I have a strong interest in but I also don't think having controversial non-mainstream stances on that topic should be off-limit on this forum either. Same with the arguments he's made here regarding race-mixing - they should be allowed if he is just presenting it at his own opinion and not some sort of church teaching. But when it comes to promoting these sort of ideas that touch on core parts of Christianity and also with saying that there's situations where the Gospel is going to be completely dead and inert - we're getting into dangerous territory.
 
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Is it Christian? Historically there were always voices opposed to forcing the faith on outsiders, just as there were voices for it.

That depends on how long-term one's thinking is. In retrospect we see now the suffering that these intentions caused, though they were touted as noble at the time. Quite literally "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" in worldwide simultaneous viewing. It defies all common sense to impose our faith upon the races outside of Europe and the Mediterranean, just as it defies the laws of nature to give Africans first-world healthcare so they can breed out of control and overrun everything with their violent civilization-destroying genes intact. I believe it was Heartiste who said that "pathological altruism" is the White man's Achilles heel.

The White missionaries may have been good souls, but they were ultimately cowards of the same variant we see in today's evangelicals. Rather than help their neighbor they leave them to be victims of secularism and immorality and go to Arab and African hellholes or Papua New Guinea to teach the gospel to sub 60 IQ headhunters and cannibals, then the moment they leave whatever accomplishments were made are innately overrun by the barbarism in these people's blood.

I would call it noble, but ultimately futile. The evidence of the present speaks for itself.

Now it's even more complicated because the offshoot that is Islam is engulfing much more, and given their penchant for "convert or die" they will not yield to a pacifist Christianity but overcome it. Only a few conclaves of non-Europeans have held out for a long time as completely intact with Christianity. So good for them, but it's not the universal truth for every other race and ethnicity.

Christianity overcame the pagans with tremendous violence, and silenced many sects of heretics with equally justifiable violence. This "appeasement" is ridicule of our own heritage. Zealousness is mandatory and though it is considered a heathen concept, "might is right" always determines who wins.

If it seems like Whites are abandoning Christianity in higher numbers and non-Whites are embracing it in higher numbers in tandem, and the world is still turning to ash, then clearly something is missing. How many non-White communities have "converted" then injected ob

Ultimately the more Christian thing to do would be to not interfere with nature period, which is a subset of God's own design. The African situation is proof that this is cataclysmically disastrous for everyone in the world (even the jew who doesn't realize it yet). The same could be said from a non-Christian stance regarding India, which also has a population boom but isn't remotely Christian. The fruits of Christian labor reached India, and the lack of wars which kept the male population level has thrown off all the natural balance there.

If people are going to nitpick this as another accusation of "purity spiraling" then they need to look at syncretism first in all of these supposedly non-White "Christians" that we count among our number. This is where indigenous or pre-Christian religious elements become infused into Christian practice and has happened in many places where Christianity spread, especially in regions where conversion was less about deep theological adoption and more about surface-level acceptance. All the people here who tout that any convert is good are missing a huge reality in the large populations of existing "converts":

Haitian Vodou Catholicism: In Haiti Catholic saints are identified with Loa (Vodou spirits). For example St. Peter is equated with Papa Legba the gatekeeper spirit.
Santeria in Cuba & Puerto Rico: Yoruba deities (Orishas) are merged with Catholic saints (e.g. Changó with St. Barbara).
Obeah in Jamaica & Louisiana: form of African sorcery blended with Christian prayers and symbols.
Candomblé in Brazil: Similar to Santeria but mixed with Portuguese Catholicism creating an elaborate system of deities under a Christian guise.
Pentecostal & Evangelical Charismatic Churches: Many Black Pentecostal movements emphasize ecstatic worship (e.g. speaking in tongues, convulsions, "catching the spirit") which identically mirrors traditional African spirit possession rituals.
Brujeria in the Dominican Republic, Mexico, and Venezuela: Folk magic involving Catholic saints, rituals, and African or indigenous beliefs.
Santa Muerte Worship in Mexico: The "Holy Death" figure, completely unbiblical, is venerated by criminals and folk practitioners who are supposedly Catholic.
Curanderismo (folk healing) in Central America: A mix of shamanism and Catholic prayers blending herbal medicine with Christian invocations. Herbal medicine itself is biblical, but stoking hallucinations through smoking is not.
Jinn Beliefs in Arab Christianity: Some Arab Christians still fear and acknowledge Jinn (an islamic belief) occasionally seeking exorcisms from priests.
Saint Veneration with Pagan Roots: In Lebanon and Syria some Christian sects celebrate saints with offerings, incense burning, and ritual dances reminiscent of ancient Phoenician practices.
Tawiz (amulet) Christianity in Egypt and Ethiopia: Egyptian Copts and Ethiopian Christians sometimes wear charms with prayers for protection which was an Islamic practice adopted into local Christianity.
Hindu-Christian Syncretism in India: Some "Christian" sects integrate karma, reincarnation, and chakra beliefs into their theology.
Dead Ancestor Worship in Chinese Christianity: Many Chinese Christians still practice ancestral rites offering food and incense to their "spirits".
Shamanistic Christianity in Korea: Some Korean Christian sects adopt shamanistic practices like "prayer mountains" and loud wailing prayers (identical to Buddhist or Shamanic rituals).
Cargo Cult Christianity (Melanesia, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu): pagan millenarian movements that blend Christianity with the belief that Western goods ("cargo") are gifts from the gods or ancestors.
Ancestor Worship in Polynesian Christianity (Hawaii, Samoa, Tonga): Polynesian converts still pray to their ancestors for guidance, merging Christian saints with deified tribal ancestors.
Headhunting Christianity in Papua New Guinea & Borneo: Some headhunting tribes such as the Asmat and Dani converted but retained their warrior rituals under Christian symbolism. Killing an enemy from another tribe was once a rite of passage, now some Christian converts in these tribes frame it as "spiritual warfare" against non-believers or demons. They also still have non-Church sanctioned Shamanistic "Christian exorcisms" that involve invoking nature spirits.
Filipino Folk Catholicism: The Philippines is nominally Catholic, but in practice, it is a mix of pre-colonial animism, ancestor worship, and magic. "Anting-anting" amulets are worn for protection, often blessed by both Catholic priests and local shamans. The Black Nazarene procession in Manila is more of a pagan frenzy than Christian devotion.
Shamanistic Christianity in Mongolia & Siberia: Mongolian and Siberian Christians still consult shamans alongside priests, because Christianity is seen as just another form of spiritual power rather than a complete rejection of old ways. In Yakut and Evenki Christianity pre-Christian spirit beliefs (Tengri, the Sky God) still influence theology.
Chinese Christianity & Feng Shui: Some Chinese Christians integrate feng shui a Taoist concept into church architecture. Ancestral altars are kept in Christian homes where prayers to deceased relatives coexist with Bible verses.
Hindu-Christian Syncretism in India: The so-called "Indian Christians" in places like Kerala still hold Hindu-style death rituals, arranged marriages, and caste distinctions under old Vedia law (despite the original Vedics being long gone). Some practice yoga as a Christian "meditation technique," unaware of its Vedic and mystical roots. Vance probably does this with his jeetess.
Bedouin Christianity in the Levant: Nomadic Arab Christians in Jordan, Syria, and Iraq have retained tribal revenge customs ("blood feuds"), despite Christianity’s supposed teachings of forgiveness. Some still consult soothsayers and dream interpreters to make decisions.
Peyote Christianity (Native American Church): A syncretic movement that mixes Christianity with psychedelic peyote rituals where Jesus is reimagined as a Great Spirit figure and visions from hallucinogens are considered divine revelations

Do you see how much of a failure this "effort" turned out to be?



If someone is already of mixed ancestry such as a Brazilian Mulatto or a Japanese-Hawaiian it makes more sense from a biological and genetic standpoint to seek a partner with an identical (compatible) genetic background rather than engaging in further random admixture. This is not from the "prideful" perspective, or the purely cultural or social identity stance now, it’s more about long-term genetic stability, offspring health, and survival.

Mixing between genetically divergent populations increases autoimmune malfunctions where the body’s immune system attacks itself. This happens due to incompatibilities in Human Leukocyte Antigen (HLA) genes which regulate immune response.

Mixed-race individuals have higher rates of Type 1 Diabetes, Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, and Rheumatoid Arthritis due to mismatched immune markers. East Asians for example have distinct HLA markers that help resist certain conditions but can clash with European or African immune profiles increasing the numbers of inflammatory diseases in mixed offspring.

Contrary to the “hybrid vigor” myth, excessive admixture leads to fertility issues because reproductive systems are based within specific gene pools. I've explained a few of these in other threads.

Rh incompatibility: If an Rh-negative mother (common in Europeans) has a child with an Rh-positive father (common in Africans, Asians, etc.), her immune system attacks the baby’s red blood cells leading to miscarriages or fatal hemolytic disease.

Women carrying fetuses from highly distinct gene pools have a greater rate of miscarriage and pregnancy loss due to genetic conflicts. For example, African females birth canal is too small for most Caucasian children, so many African women impregnated by European men undergo caesarians (which is unnatural).

There are increased rates of congenital birth defects also in many of these offspring. A lack of genetic cohesion results in more maladaptive traits, higher rates of cleft palates, heart defects, and skeletal abnormalities.

Most of my critics attack the "identity" issue, but we've already talked about this and it's painfully obvious to anyone who looks at these people. Mixed-race individuals have statistically higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. This isn’t just about “societal rejection” but biological identity fragmentation.

Many mixed individuals struggle with biochemical imbalances due to inherited traits that were intended by God for different environments (e.g., metabolism differences between East Asians and Africans). Genetic mismatching affects neurotransmitter regulation increasing vulnerability to schizophrenia and mood disorders. Hence why the jews, a heavily mixed people, carry the NDST3 gene within 40% of their population. As we've seen with many, identity confusion leads to social alienation particularly when neither parent’s culture fully accepts them.

Blood donations and organ transplants require close genetic compatibility. Mixed-race individuals struggle to find donors because their genetic profiles are rarer in the population. Bone marrow transplants which depend on HLA matches are nearly impossible to find for people from highly mixed backgrounds. This puts them at higher risk of death from leukemia and blood cancers. You can look at the statistics for yourself, this is one of the few areas where they don't hide it because they make so much money off of poisoning people with cancer "treatments".

Each racial group has certain adaptive traits for survival relative to their own lands.
-Africans have stronger UV resistance but are more prone to sickle cell disease.
-Europeans have greater cold climate tolerance and higher rates of lactase persistence.
-Asians have lower alcohol metabolism but a higher capacity for starch digestion.

Randomly mixing these adaptations creates maladaptive hybrids.

Mixed children inherit neither resistance nor full adaptation leading to higher disease vulnerability (example a half-African, half-European child lacks both UV protection and cold tolerance). Genetic dilution can erase specialized traits that took thousands of years to adapt to making future generations less suited for survival in any environment.

Try to understand where I'm coming from. People are mixing wantonly and slapping whatever "feel-good" excuse over it that they can without considering all of the compositional differences that were clearly designed by God to be different. There clearly are people who are of one pure monolithic race and there are people who are not. There are pure Europeans, there are pure Asiatics, there are pure Indigenous, there are pure Africans, and there are a number of hybrid races who are not pure.

If every mixed-race individual understood these implications, there would be a lot less suffering in humanity. I don't blame people who are born mixed, it was not their fault their parents chose to be ignorant and selfish and brought that child into this life without understanding the long-term consequences. It's quite tragic. I had half-White friends growing up and they are good people, some have truly good souls, but I see their health issues, vices, and their identity issues as a handicap that no one should have to live with.

Your history is terrible, you should spend more time reading up and less time posting. For starters:

- Black nations (such as Ethiopia) that convert to Christ have been immeasurably better off than their peers.
- South America is vastly better off than than Islamic ME. Christian > Islam every time.
- Christ said to go forth and baptize all nations, that literally means every race.
-- This point isn't up for debate, since it is scripture. If you think there hasn't been much progress outside of White nations, then perhaps we need to go back and check our premises as to why. Jesus isn't wrong, we are the sinners here.

The main reason Christianity has been mainly a White religion is because of the Catholics, the 4th Crusade killed Constantinople which caused the entire Middle East to be doomed to Islam. Catholicism (not part of the true Church) is largely to blame for the historical failures of Christianity in the East. Catholicism, and the off-shoot, Protestantism, are both dying, and will be replaced with Orthodoxy in due time. That which is not built upon the rock of Christ shall not last and we see that very clearly with both of these denominations.

(It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the above paragraph. The point is there are perfectly viable explanations that don't involve race and explain why Christianity hasn't spread as much as it should have.)

The violence used to colonize some parts of the world was not in contradiction to the teachings of Christ, but forced conversions were. Anyhow, that's enough off-topic posting on this subject.

Stick to the title or get banned from the thread, keep contradicting scripture and you'll be handed blasphemy bans. It's fine to have questions, it's not okay to assert something false about scripture as true.
 
More theological innovations on the part of MusicFromThePiano. We already have claiming that Europeans are the true Israelites - an idea that no one in any of the churches/denominations has come up with until the 19th century and now he's telling Christians not to evangelize in direct contradictions to Christ's own words and the mission of the church. Also he seems to be saying the Gospel is ineffective and apparently can't change or regenerate people.

I have argued strongly against his points in the past on such topics as flat earth which while I feel is absurd I never called for suppression or censorship of the topic and preferred instead to present counter arguments. I myself have not argued against him on topics such as WW2/Hitler and such since it's not an area I have a strong interest in but I also don't think having controversial non-mainstream stances on that topic should be off-limit on this forum either. Same with the arguments he's made here regarding race-mixing - they should be allowed if he is just presenting it at his own opinion and not some sort of church teaching. But when it comes to promoting these sort of ideas that touch on core parts of Christianity and also with saying that there's situations where the Gospel is going to be completely dead and inert - we're getting into dangerous territory.
Agreed, his theological understanding is absurd and wholly harmful. The Gospel is for all people and this has been clearly prophecied:

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
-Matthew 24:14

He also conveniently does not mention that pagan practices and superstitions are widespread in White nations as well. You know how may Europeans and Americans I've seen throw a coin into a wishing well? How many get their tarot cards read? We have never been perfect Christians either.

Nonetheless, I find his scientific and medical arguments against race mixing valid on their own merit. Nothing in our faith says there cannot be racial differences, and that we cannot be discriminating in our choice of wife.
 
Contrary to the “hybrid vigor” myth, excessive admixture leads to fertility issues because reproductive systems are based within specific gene pools.
The proponents of hybrid vigor theory do present some interesting evidence for their viewpoint. I feel this is a topic that needs to be explored more although I am not knowledgeable enough for it. I think maybe you and some of the other guys who know more about this topic could open a thread on "the genetic, health and cultural consequences of race mixing"

African females birth canal is too small for most Caucasian children, so many African women impregnated by European men undergo caesarians (which is unnatural).
I would think birth canals are aligned with the size of the babies and black babies on average are just as big or bigger than white babies to my knowledge so why would the African women have smaller birth canals?

Each racial group has certain adaptive traits for survival relative to their own lands.
That is true but also irrelevant at this point because many races have already spread far beyond their ancestral homelands. Do you think the white English people that settled in Australia cope well with the high UV present in Australia compared to the darker skinned Aboriginals? That is part of the reason we have so much skin cancer in Australia. So should the white people in Australia continue to get skin cancer, sun burning, heat stroke etc or should they mix with darker people? Or should they go back to Europe? Its unclear what point you are trying to make.
 
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More theological innovations on the part of MusicFromThePiano. We already have him claiming that Europeans are the true Israelites - an idea that no one in any of the churches/denominations has come up with until the 19th century and now he's telling Christians not to evangelize in direct contradictions to Christ's own words and the mission of the church. Also he seems to be saying the Gospel is ineffective and apparently can't change or regenerate people.

I have argued strongly against his points in the past on such topics as flat earth which while I feel is absurd I never called for suppression or censorship of the topic and preferred instead to present counter arguments. I myself have not argued against him on topics such as WW2/Hitler and such since it's not an area I have a strong interest in but I also don't think having controversial non-mainstream stances on that topic should be off-limit on this forum either. Same with the arguments he's made here regarding race-mixing - they should be allowed if he is just presenting it at his own opinion and not some sort of church teaching. But when it comes to promoting these sort of ideas that touch on core parts of Christianity and also with

Your entire approach is built on emotional appeals rather than a substantive rebuttal of my points. Instead of refuting my arguments directly you resort to straw-manning my position and making baseless accusations of theological innovation.

On the Identity of Israel: Nowhere did I claim that all Europeans are the true Israelites. Rather I have pointed out that the lineage of Israel as recorded in Scripture follows strict generational purity from Adam to Christ: 77 unbroken generations, a divinely significant number. This cannot be said for Esau-Edom (modern jewry), who willingly intermarried with racially foreign peoples, forfeiting their birthright to Jacob. This is not a theological 'innovation'; this is a textual and historical fact and it is in Scripture.

The so-called 'Lost Tribes' of Israel were never truly lost, but rather migrated in a well-documented historical pattern. Following the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities many Israelites moved northward settling in the regions of the Black Sea, the Caucasus, and beyond. Classical historians such as Josephus and Diodorus Siculus refer to these exiles as the Scythians, Cimmerians, and Sakae, peoples who would later form the backbone of the European nations. The linguistic and cultural connections between the Hebrew, Gothic, and Celtic tribes, as well as their shared legal and moral traditions only reinforce this truth.

The genetic and archaeological records further distinguish these true Israelites from the Edomites who, by the time of Christ, had already undergone extensive intermarriage with Canaanites, Hittites, and other foreign groups, corrupting their original lineage. The Idumeans (Edomites) were forcibly converted under John Hyrcanus, and from that point forward, they took on the name of 'Judeans' while never being of the same covenant bloodline.

The true inheritance of Israel’s promise both in blood and in spirit passed through Jacob-Israel’s descendants who carried their laws and traditions into Europe, forming the bedrock of Christendom. This is not speculation, nor is it an arbitrary racial claim it is a matter of covenantal reality, rooted in both Scripture and history. Even Arabs (of Ishmael) have more legitimacy to Biblical claims than a jew does, though not the same as the direct descendants of Israel.

On Evangelism & Syncretism: You completely misrepresent my stance. I have never argued against evangelization in principle. What I have pointed out is the reality that when Christianity is introduced to certain populations it is often corrupted by pre-existing pagan traditions rather than transforming them. This is observable in Afro-Caribbean Vodou-Catholicism, Latin American “Brujería Christianity,” and Pentecostal movements that are more African spiritism than Biblical faith. Christ’s Great Commission does not command the Church to simply tolerate hybridized, counterfeit versions of the Gospel. He commands the spreading of the true Gospel untainted.

On the Corruption of the Church: You act as though modern Christianity remains untouched by ideological subversion yet it is undeniable that the last century alone has seen extensive theological and institutional rewriting. The Gospel does not change but the Church has certainly been infiltrated by external forces that push for universalist globalist distortions of its original teachings. That is not innovation on my part that is historical fact.

On the Nature of Debate: You keep "digging" up the past like a woman does. Re-read the cosmology thread. I poke holes in Helios worship but I also ridicule flat-earthers for being simpletons. My conclusion was that there are more advanced models out there and some of them cannot be understood in a geometric reduction, but more of a metaphysical approach to our world. Profound abstraction is the White man's specialty as it is not "material". Also NASA lies nonstop and so does every other freemasonic "space agency".

You accuse me of being “dangerous” for challenging mainstream assumptions yet in the same breath you admit you tolerate controversial topics in other areas. If you were truly committed to intellectual discussion you would engage with my arguments on their own merit rather than appealing to vague accusations of “dangerous territory.” If what I am saying is wrong then prove it wrong without rhetorical sleight of hand.

Let's take this to the kangz thread since you keep bringing it up.

Agreed, his theological understanding is absurd and wholly harmful. The Gospel is for all people and this has been clearly prophecied:

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
-Matthew 24:14

Matthew 15:24: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6: “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”


The message of the Kingdom was directed first and foremost to Israel. The broader evangelization effort seen later was primarily led by Paul whose role was to gather the dispersed Israelites among the nations which many misunderstand as an outreach to unrelated Gentiles. Again I say we take this to the kangz thread.

He also conveniently does not mention that pagan practices and superstitions are widespread in White nations as well. You know how may Europeans and Americans I've seen throw a coin into a wishing well? How many get their tarot cards read? We have never been perfect Christians either.

I hear you, no nation or people have ever been perfect in their practice of Christianity. Human nature has always wrestled with superstition and error. The key difference however is that in European Christendom the Church actively worked to purify these remnants of paganism leading to a faith that ultimately transformed society completely. True Christianity superseded these "old ways," and even when superstition lingered it was seen as something to correct rather than embrace. Tarot is a mostly kabbalistic practice and thus has babylonian edomite (now jewish) origins. Many forms of divination have Canaanite origins.

In contrast the many non-European versions of Christianity have developed through deep syncretism where indigenous beliefs weren’t just left behind but instead merged into the faith itself fundamentally altering its character. Practices like Voodoo Catholicism, Santeria, Pentecostalism all retain their animistic or shamanistic roots. While Christianity calls all people to truth it also calls for the purification of belief and practice. The goal is not just conversion but sanctification living out the faith fully as Christ intended. That’s why we should always strive for authentic worship and trust in the sacraments and God's laws as the only true path to holiness and healing.

I won't reply on this subject here anymore, let's take this to the kangz thread if you guys really want to get into the nitty-gritty of Biblical lineages and covenants. Please quote me and copy+paste it into a response there, there is so much more we can discuss on the lie of "game" but few said it better than Roosh did.

Once more: good data, wrong application. Syncretism is a huge problem, but it's why you should evangelize all the more, not why you should stop evangelizing.

Perhaps there should be another thread on the merits and detriments of improper evangelization. All of the hybridized pseudo-Christian sects I mentioned will have to be undone unless the Church will tolerate 900 flavors of Xtianity all fragmented and easily controlled or rendered obsolete by jewish power structures. The task of gutting just one of the hundreds of these to purify it is monumental in and of itself. The modern surface-level missionary, whose heart may be lofty, is not prepared for this task. A lot more of us are going to die in this process of purifying these people. Will a lot more of us die in the process of rescuing our own fallen kin?
 
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The main reason Christianity has been mainly a White religion is because of the Catholics, the 4th Crusade killed Constantinople which caused the entire Middle East to be doomed to Islam. Catholicism (not part of the true Church) is largely to blame for the historical failures of Christianity in the East. Catholicism, and the off-shoot, Protestantism, are both dying, and will be replaced with Orthodoxy in due time. That which is not built upon the rock of Christ shall not last and we see that very clearly with both of these denominations.

I don´t know about the 4th crusade. My opinion of crusaders is highly regarded. They were fierce fighters. DEUS VULT!

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Talking about shit which happened almost 2000 years ago can be a great academic exercise. But it will result in little substance. Since it will always be based in second or third hand accounts.

The bolded parts are 100% false. Catholicism is much more spread between different continents than Orthodox due to missionary activity. The biggest catholic church in the world is in Africa. The truth is catholicism is the spreadest form of christianity in the world.



Catholics will never be replaced. They might wither. But will always prevail.

Any study (even made by jews) will show catholics of every shape and color. I don´t know how will Orthodox become universal. Since they seem to be attached to national identities. But I don´t know enough about orthodox to make a valid criticism.

Catholicism is growing worldwide. But it´s dying in western countries. Because we are adopting judaism.

Orthodox increases in absolute numbers but decrease in share of overall christianity.

Blood purity didn´t work for nobles. They were riddled with diseases. One of them haemophilia. You will find really strange looking nobles. Not only the ones in you see in magazines. I don´t know if we can extrapolate. If another person is intelligent or beautiful. Not marrying her would be completely retarded. Btw my wife is blonde european. But I would easily marry another race. Black would be harder. Cause generally are not good looking. And my kids would suffer racism. But give me a Naomi Campbell and my racism would evaporate. Halle Berry is even better. Beyonce ufffff. You would pass on that? Only a fag. Halle Berry. I would keep Halle Berry. Uffff.

Fun fact in Spain Basques because they weren´t touched by jews and moors. Were considered the highest form of spanish blood. I have also basque blood. And catalan and many others. Like all europeans have.

The base of the pizza is european. Europe is margarita pizza. Than you could put other flavors there. A little bit of ham. Pepperoni. Pineapple for fuitcakes. Except shit which is jews. Jews are the equivalent of putting a turd on a pizza. Of course as a group. They work like a cult. Drones. Individually they are ok.
 
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Matthew 15:24: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6: “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”


The message of the Kingdom was directed first and foremost to Israel. The broader evangelization effort seen later was primarily led by Paul whose role was to gather the dispersed Israelites among the nations which many misunderstand as an outreach to unrelated Gentiles. Again I say we take this to the kangz thread.

Cherry picking scripture and ignoring the dozens of parts where Christ said he would bring in the non-Israelites is a poor attempt at contradicting scripture. You also leave out Paul's well known conversion in Acts 9:15, "But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;"

That you left out these obvious, well known verses shows you aren't posting in good faith, nor are you attempting to learn. You are just an ideologue who believes himself right no matter what. You obviously aren't listening or respecting the rules here, so I guess a larger timeout is needed to drill the point home. Either respect the rules against blasphemy here or you will continue to receive bans.
 
Fun fact in Spain Basques because they weren´t touched by jews and moors.
The Basques are mysterious people. The Basque language is one of the few remaining pre Indo-European languages in Europe and nobody knows really where the Basque people came from exactly.

Black would be harder. Cause generally are not good looking. And my kids would suffer racism. But give me a Naomi Campbell and my racism would evaporate.
A lot of the black French women especially if they are mixed race seem to be attractive at least the ones I have seen. Unlike black women in America who are absolutely awful. American black women are mostly super ugly and obese.
 
The Basques are mysterious people. The Basque language is one of the few remaining pre Indo-European languages in Europe and nobody knows really where the Basque people came from exactly.


A lot of the black French women especially if they are mixed race seem to be attractive at least the ones I have seen. Unlike black women in America who are absolutely awful. American black women are mostly super ugly and obese.
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Ufff. She looks much better with long hair. The bond short hair sucked. She didn´t hit the wall.

I like my wife tanned. Too pale is not sexy. Maybe I was brainwashed by jews.

Basque have great food. There´s a street called Calle Laurel. Incredible food. It´s the home of jesuits. You will feel the catholic feeling heavy there. I have family in a beach area there.

Basques are half french and half spanish. If you travel from French Basque to Spain Basque the architecture is always the same. My kids favorite beach is San Sebastian La Concha. They call it the island beach. Cause there´s an island in the middle. Hemingway used to swimn to that island. I also like to swimn to the island. They have platfforms so you can rest on the way. Really lovely place San Sebastian. Biarritz also good. But beach suck. Except for surf.

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French black women are mostly arab french mixed. And yes there´s stunners.
 
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Your entire approach is built on emotional appeals rather than a substantive rebuttal of my points. Instead of refuting my arguments directly you resort to straw-manning my position and making baseless accusations of theological innovation.

On the Identity of Israel: Nowhere did I claim that all Europeans are the true Israelites. Rather I have pointed out that the lineage of Israel as recorded in Scripture follows strict generational purity from Adam to Christ: 77 unbroken generations, a divinely significant number. This cannot be said for Esau-Edom (modern jewry), who willingly intermarried with racially foreign peoples, forfeiting their birthright to Jacob. This is not a theological 'innovation'; this is a textual and historical fact and it is in Scripture.

The so-called 'Lost Tribes' of Israel were never truly lost, but rather migrated in a well-documented historical pattern. Following the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities many Israelites moved northward settling in the regions of the Black Sea, the Caucasus, and beyond. Classical historians such as Josephus and Diodorus Siculus refer to these exiles as the Scythians, Cimmerians, and Sakae, peoples who would later form the backbone of the European nations. The linguistic and cultural connections between the Hebrew, Gothic, and Celtic tribes, as well as their shared legal and moral traditions only reinforce this truth.

The genetic and archaeological records further distinguish these true Israelites from the Edomites who, by the time of Christ, had already undergone extensive intermarriage with Canaanites, Hittites, and other foreign groups, corrupting their original lineage. The Idumeans (Edomites) were forcibly converted under John Hyrcanus, and from that point forward, they took on the name of 'Judeans' while never being of the same covenant bloodline.

The true inheritance of Israel’s promise both in blood and in spirit passed through Jacob-Israel’s descendants who carried their laws and traditions into Europe, forming the bedrock of Christendom. This is not speculation, nor is it an arbitrary racial claim it is a matter of covenantal reality, rooted in both Scripture and history. Even Arabs (of Ishmael) have more legitimacy to Biblical claims than a jew does, though not the same as the direct descendants of Israel.
This is absolutely speculation and innovation as I have pointed out, no one in the church including back in the more traditional era had ever come up with these ideas until about 2 centuries ago. It's very strange that a self-proclaimed "trad Catholic" that is supposed to defer to church tradition, councils, teachings, and authority seems to have taken on the mantle of authority to reveal the secretes that were apparently hidden away from all the saints and bishops until some random layman was able to discover them.

The lineage of Christ that you see recorded in the Gospels has always been interpreted to show that he was of the house of David. This has been the overwhelming consensus through all of Christianity on why the lineage is presented to the reader of the Gospels. It has nothing to do with any some sort of true Israelite vs Edomite theory. This is another example of you doing something that neutral observers have pointed out, you take a piece of data that by it self is not problematic but then will proceed to torture and contort in a fashion to support your own pre-determined conclusions.

As for the Israelis being corrupted by intermarriage: That is the case with the Samaritans who were Israelis that were mixed with the people that that they had been exiled among after the fall of the Northern kingdom of Israel. Yet Christ went to speak with the Samaritan woman at the well and offered her living water which then led the woman to convert her entire town of "corrupted lineage" Samaritans. Good thing Christ did not take the MusicForThePiano advice of avoiding Israelis that were not of "pure" lineage and had more confidence of the ability of his message to redeem people than MusicForThePiano does. I'm still shocked that a trad Catholic can have such a low view of the Gospel and think it can't overcome genetics or blood. Is the forum name Christ is King or DNA Is King?

And as others have pointed out when debating this topic, your theory relies on Europe being empty prior to the existence of the exile of the Israelis which clearly is not the case. I noticed you have continually avoided answering this very obvious objection to your theory of Israelis migrating to the Europe and becoming the various tribes such as Celts, Goths, etc. Did these people simply not exist prior to the exile?


On Evangelism & Syncretism: You completely misrepresent my stance. I have never argued against evangelization in principle. What I have pointed out is the reality that when Christianity is introduced to certain populations it is often corrupted by pre-existing pagan traditions rather than transforming them. This is observable in Afro-Caribbean Vodou-Catholicism, Latin American “Brujería Christianity,” and Pentecostal movements that are more African spiritism than Biblical faith. Christ’s Great Commission does not command the Church to simply tolerate hybridized, counterfeit versions of the Gospel. He commands the spreading of the true Gospel untainted.

As pointed out earlier by GodFatherPartTwo, this just means there needs to be MORE teaching and instruction - not dismissing evangelicalism as a complete waste of time like you were doing. You even wrote "Christ’s Great Commission does not command the Church to simply tolerate hybridized, counterfeit versions of the Gospel. He commands the spreading of the true Gospel untainted". I'm not sure how this can be done without missionary work and evangelization to the people who are currently holding to the counterfeit versions of the Gospel.

On the Corruption of the Church: You act as though modern Christianity remains untouched by ideological subversion yet it is undeniable that the last century alone has seen extensive theological and institutional rewriting. The Gospel does not change but the Church has certainly been infiltrated by external forces that push for universalist globalist distortions of its original teachings. That is not innovation on my part that is historical fact.
The vast majority of missionary work was done prior to the era of modern theological liberalism. The reason Latin American is Catholic is because of missionary work by people like the Spaniards that you were saying were based for having Limpieza de sangre laws - or are they cucked now in your eyes since they spread the Gospel to non-Europeans? Is St. Francis Xavier a modernist subversionist for doing missionary work in Japan? If anything it's the modern post-Vatican 2 Catholics that are against evangelism and "forcing the faith on people" as you put it in your previous post.

On the Nature of Debate: You keep "digging" up the past like a woman does. Re-read the cosmology thread. I poke holes in Helios worship but I also ridicule flat-earthers for being simpletons. My conclusion was that there are more advanced models out there and some of them cannot be understood in a geometric reduction, but more of a metaphysical approach to our world. Profound abstraction is the White man's specialty as it is not "material". Also NASA lies nonstop and so does every other freemasonic "space agency".

You accuse me of being “dangerous” for challenging mainstream assumptions yet in the same breath you admit you tolerate controversial topics in other areas. If you were truly committed to intellectual discussion you would engage with my arguments on their own merit rather than appealing to vague accusations of “dangerous territory.” If what I am saying is wrong then prove it wrong without rhetorical sleight of hand.

I was actually trying to throw you a bone here by defending your right to debate on "controversial issues". As I pointed out earlier, even when I was your opponent in these areas I have never once tried to stop the discussion of these subjects. However, when it comes to these sort of theological debates there already has been moderator rulings on what is allowed on this forum.


Christ's forum isn't a place where people can spread ridiculous heresy about the Church. Saying the Church had race purity laws or blood purity laws is complete fabrication, and this is both pre or post-schism.

Music if you, or anyone else, continue to push these lies there will be bans and other consequences. It's fine to have opinions about race, which involve our individual consciences (and these can still be wrong), but, the Church is dogma and not up for debate. Spreading heresy about the Church is also a form of blasphemy (evil speaking of God), which is against the forum rules.


Anyone can have whatever view they want, but as soon as they start asserting it to be true and above all others is when it falls under the jurisdiction of the rules.

Confessions of faith are fine, even if one is an Atheist, for example. But to assert the Eucharist isn't part of Salvation despite it being in Scripture or Cannon law is breaking the rules.

There is a difference between stating,

"I do not believe in taking Eucharist," and "There is no need to take the Eucharist." The former is a personal confession, while the latter is an assertion of truth over others. The former is allowed on the forum, the latter is banworthy
Matthew 15:24: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6: “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”


The message of the Kingdom was directed first and foremost to Israel. The broader evangelization effort seen later was primarily led by Paul whose role was to gather the dispersed Israelites among the nations which many misunderstand as an outreach to unrelated Gentiles. Again I say we take this to the kangz thread.
ave to be undone unless the Church will tolerate 900 flavors of Xtianity all fragmented and easily controlled or rendered obsolete by jewish power structures. The task of gutting just one of the hundreds of these to purify it is monumental in and of itself. The modern surface-level missionary, whose heart may be lofty, is not prepared for this task. A lot more of us are going to die in this process of purifying these people. Will a lot more of us die in the process of rescuing our own fallen kin?
This all relies on your claim that the Europeans are the lost house of Israel which has already been shown to be absurd.

Also I noticed you didn't include the rest of the text around Matthew 15:24 in which it was a Canaanite woman that came to Jesus and was healed by Him and also who faith was praised by Him. Perhaps you didn't include that part because it would contradict your earlier assertion of the Israelis bloodline being corrupted by "intermarriage with Canaanites, Hittites, and other foreign groups"

In Matthew 10, Christ was issuing a specific commission for the Twelve at that time. It is not a general command for what evangelization should be. The commission that is given to all believers for the rest of time is found at the end of Matthew: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," If your theories have been correct Christ should have been saying "make disciples of these specific nations" or are you going to continue to exert that you have discovered secret teachings within these words that no one has noticed until the modern era?
 
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This is absolutely speculation and innovation as I have pointed out, no one in the church including back in the more traditional era had ever come up with these ideas until about 2 centuries ago.
I'm not familiar with this. Is this like Black Hebrew Israelites but with Whites instead of Blacks?
 
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