The Movie Thread

I found an older movie on Netflix the other night called Whiplash. Excellent flick about an ambitious, jazz drummer attending a top musical school in hopes of becoming a jazz great. This student has an instructor who pushes him to his limit, both physically and mentally, and as the audience, you're left wondering if he takes things too far.

The acting is sensational. As is the writing which gives you the idea that it's going to peter out after the second act, but then somehow gives you an amazing third act you weren't expecting. One of the things I liked most about this film was that it didn't lecture you on what is right and wrong which so many other movies do. Instead, it lets you decide for yourself.

It has an 8.5 rating on IMDB and it was nominated for Best Picture of that year. I'm surprised that I'm just now hearing about this film.

 
This scene gives me chills


Should clearly be remade with Tom Cruise as Shaka Zulu.

Also my post about the Omen trilogy I made in the other thread, very JQ-laden. Feel invited to contend with it.
I recently rewatched the Omen trilogy and only then realized that the movie was produced and written by Jews. Which really makes you wonder, you know, about Rabbinical Messianic prophecies and all. I guess the idea of the changeling is probably more prominent in Jewish culture than it is in the European, because of the ethnic dynamics.
Both in Omen III as well as Rosemary's Baby, which was written and produced by Jews as well, the psychology of the Antichrist's cults is totally reminiscent of how Jews would feel about Christianity. They aren't exactly edifying films, but well enough made and I think, very insightful.
Roman Polanski, who made Rosemary's Baby, is very much the incarnation of the vicious Jew stereotype, but he is actually so good as a film maker that you get a deep insight into his ideas about power (Macchiavellian) and religion (revolution) looking at his oeuvre.
The Coens, who I think are a lot more likable than Polanski, are likewise revealers of the Jewish psyche, although I think they view their origin a lot more critical than Polanski. With the Coens, it always looks as if they would love to shed Judaism and become Scots-Irish founding stock Americans. Whenever they refer to Jewish culture, they do it while implicitly or explicitly naming the hypocrisies and contradictions.
Polanski on the other hand thrives in being eternally persecuted by shadowy figures, as if he was victimized by his own evil impulses. In a way, all of his movies relate to that broader topic of persecution, disguise and compulsion.

Horror is a genre dealing with vague threats that capture the audience's imagination, so it's inherently attractive to Jews, who have the most paranoid obsession with vague threats.

Sorry for the big detour, but I think as the Western world became judaized, we all became subject to the fear of vague threats, culturally or demonic, that emanate from a godless lifestyle

I would amend that by saying that I actually think Polanski is the go-to guy for popular Jewish thought of the 20th century, because he encompasses all aspects in a way, the historical, the political philosophical, and the spiritual. I also happen to enjoy all of them very much. Directors from a heavily Jewish background are very interesting, because they don't seem to understand gentiles very much, so their movies often become these extremely dissociated, eerie experiences. People think characters seeming out of place is a stylistic means, but I think it has much more to do with the fact that Jews don't fully understand how European Christians think and feel. They often get the vibe or interesting little details in, but usually everything seems sort of disjointed and awkward. Works great for horror movies though.

The exception proving the rule would be Spielberg, who I would actually almost categorize as a Christian filmmaker, but most of his good movies are written by Christians, so that's how the square is circled.

The Coens are a special case, because, as I said, I think the Coens are very conscious in their criticism of Judaism, most visibly in A Serious Man, but in shines through in Barton Fink and Fargo as well. It seems to me, they realized at some point that there is something noble in the Christian drive for catharsis and disentanglement, whereas Jewish storytelling is built on convolute confusions uncertainty and dishonesty. Coen movie structure is usually extremely Jewish and somewhat existentialist, but you can see that they write their gentile characters with a lot of love, while the overtly Jewish characters often seem very pathetic and hostile and whiny.
 
The exception proving the rule would be Spielberg, who I would actually almost categorize as a Christian filmmaker, but most of his good movies are written by Christians, so that's how the square is circled.

Does this also apply to Maximum Overdrive including songs by AC/DC (from the album Who Made Who) ?
 
The exception proving the rule would be Spielberg, who I would actually almost categorize as a Christian filmmaker, but most of his good movies are written by Christians, so that's how the square is circled.
You make some very interesting points, but I don't really get this. In retrospect I view Spielberg as very Jewish in his thinking.


The first thing that came to mind was that ET and Close Encounters, 2 films I found greatly enjoyable, sold (or maybe sewed is more appropriate) the idea that aliens were benign beings. In ET the alien was vulnerable, childlike and cute, forced to hide away from evil authority figures. I wonder if Spielberg had Ann Frank in mind? In Close Encounters aliens are portrayed as benevolent overlords to be viewed with awe.


Given that, from a Christian perspective, aliens can only demons, and anecdotally this is borne out in stories of visitations being thwarted by calling on the name of Jesus. I think the demonic agenda here is in shaping a narrative for the acceptance of an antichrist figure. And, given some of the strong rumours about Spielberg, I think he has been used by demonic forces to that end.


Lastly, the Halloween scenes in ET pretty much sold, or helped sell, that particular US cultural trash to Britain, because prior to ET, there was no such thing as as trick or treat in England.


Spielberg is very clever, or maybe cunning would be a better fit, in his portrayal of white America, given what we now know about how far too many Jews view us. He uses the sentimental to disarm his audience, whilst slipping in un-Christian memes.
 
I wonder what would be considered Spielberg's least Jewish film..Jaws? Raiders of The Lost Ark? I think Spielberg made Jaws better by turning the Hooper character from a blonde Wasp stud(the way he is described in the novel) into a very Jewish Richard Dreyfuss. That played so well against Robert Shaw.

(I'm not a big Spielberg fan but Jaws is one of my favorite films, no less because of John Williams' incredible music.)
 
I wonder what would be considered Spielberg's least Jewish film..Jaws? Raiders of The Lost Ark? I think Spielberg made Jaws better by turning the Hooper character from a blonde Wasp stud(the way he is described in the novel) into a very Jewish Richard Dreyfuss. That played so well against Robert Shaw.

(I'm not a big Spielberg fan but Jaws is one of my favorite films, no less because of John Williams' incredible music.)

I might say Jurassic Park, which on the one hand promotes the scientific/evolutionary worldview, but on the other has fantastic themes about the danger of technology utilized without ethics or wisdom, and the main character has a charming arc moving from being borderline anti-natalist to learning how to be a father. I suppose you could say that was mostly due to Crichton's story.

Nice observations on the Coens @Raskolnikov I agree with your take and I rate them as filmmakers despite their often absurdist themes. Sometimes they are a bit too bleak (No Country) or their characters are a bit too unlikable (Llewyn Davis) for me but when their films have heart they're very good.

Kubrick is another interesting case study in Jewish filmmakers... it seems like he had a taste of the pedo-Hollywood scene in the 50s/60s, decided he didn't want anything to do with it, explored a kind of secular humanism/anti-authoritarian throughline in his films and then with EWS he made some kind of attempt to expose some of the evil going on behind the scenes. I was a lot more sympathetic to him when I was an atheist but now that I'm Christian I feel that he never really found a way to construct positive spirituality in his films (as opposed to critiquing negative spirituality).
 
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...The Coens are a special case, because, as I said, I think the Coens are very conscious in their criticism of Judaism, most visibly in A Serious Man, but in shines through in Barton Fink and Fargo as well. It seems to me, they realized at some point that there is something noble in the Christian drive for catharsis and disentanglement, whereas Jewish storytelling is built on convolute confusions uncertainty and dishonesty. Coen movie structure is usually extremely Jewish and somewhat existentialist, but you can see that they write their gentile characters with a lot of love, while the overtly Jewish characters often seem very pathetic and hostile and whiny.
From what I can tell, the Coens don't present any kind of agenda with their movies. Their white characters are very likable and they seem to have respect for our culture; case in point, their film, "The Ballad of Buster Scruggs" which is an homage to the American Western.

You also mentioned Barton Fink, one of my favorite Coen Bros films. They take a very Jewish main character and have a Jewish studio boss verbally assault him with Jewish slurs. And then they poke fun at the studio boss and his oversized ego. So it's clear the Coens have a sense of humor when it comes to ethnicity.
 
I wonder what would be considered Spielberg's least Jewish film..Jaws? Raiders of The Lost Ark? I think Spielberg made Jaws better by turning the Hooper character from a blonde Wasp stud(the way he is described in the novel) into a very Jewish Richard Dreyfuss. That played so well against Robert Shaw.

(I'm not a big Spielberg fan but Jaws is one of my favorite films, no less because of John Williams' incredible music.)
Jaws is very good. It is reminiscent of The Sea Wolf by Jack London. In the novel, Humphrey Van Weyden is an intellectual who hasn't done a day of manual labor in his life stuck on a ship full of crude sailors for months. You see the protagonist evolve from a nerdy academic to a strong, capable man who woos the only woman on board and earns the respect of the hypermasculine, ruthless sailor Wolf Larsen, one of the greatest villains of all time.

In Jaws, you also have the wealthy Jewish intellectual Cooper coming in eager to prove himself to the Anglo-Celtic Quint, who is portrayed as an example of raw marine masculinity. And you have Brody in there as a balancing act between the two, playing off each others' strengths and maintaining order like a good WASP. But of course this being a Spielberg movie, the clever Jew survives while the "alpha male" Quint dies from his own recklessness.
 
The first thing that came to mind was that ET and Close Encounters, 2 films I found greatly enjoyable, sold (or maybe sewed is more appropriate) the idea that aliens were benign beings. In ET the alien was vulnerable, childlike and cute, forced to hide away from evil authority figures. I wonder if Spielberg had Ann Frank in mind? In Close Encounters aliens are portrayed as benevolent overlords to be viewed with awe.


Given that, from a Christian perspective, aliens can only demons, and anecdotally this is borne out in stories of visitations being thwarted by calling on the name of Jesus. I think the demonic agenda here is in shaping a narrative for the acceptance of an antichrist figure. And, given some of the strong rumours about Spielberg, I think he has been used by demonic forces to that end.
I agree in so far as these themes appear in our culture, and that might have to do with how and why Spielberg chose those particular scripts, but if you watch ET, the writing is very much Christian European. It seems a little bit like a John Hughes movie, the way the characters are written and the positive morality of it. The Alien thing is true, but I don't think ET fetishizes the Alien as the stranger too much. It reminds me more of the Christian narrative of the encounter with the stranger in need of help, like Lot and the two angels. Aliens were just a hip thing since the 1960s, and ET put a twist on it. I can imagine that Spielberg also liked the script for Jewy reasons, but it's not a Jewish story. Schindler's List is a Holoprop movie, but even that one was written by an Armenian Orthodox I think, which is why the script works well. There are real conflicts of conscience and there is a form of catharsis in self-sacrifice. It's not Jewish writing.
Spielberg himself seems like an extremely Jewy guy to me, but those aren't the movies he makes for the most part. His movies are mostly set in a moral universe, and that's something you are rarely going to find in actual Jewish storytelling (Jews don't have trouble believing that morality and reality are meaningfully connected, and more a matter of framing and discourse manipulation, hence the Talmud). I think a number of them were written by David Koepp, who is a Catholic, presumably of German extraction. He also wrote Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, which is another movie that leans very heavily into Christian storytelling and aesthetics.


Jews do horror and science fiction well, because they are good at taking apart situations and narratives in a dissociated analytical way (like Ari Aster's Hereditary), but they have difficulty writing believable characters or get moral conclusions right.

@Maddox The Coens write interesting characters, but usually they are just amalgamations of American tropes they picked up along the way, and they aren't very immersive. The scripts are usually flooded with convolute and semi-ironic philosophical questions and allusions to literary archetypes. No Country was originally written by Cormack McCarthy, who I think he the most Jewish Irishman to ever put ink to paper. I mean to say he writes like a Jew straight from the yeshiva, where everything is very bleak and pointless and moral transgressions are piled on top of each other without rhyme of reason, and everybody remains without catharsis. Sort of like Kafka.
True Grit I think is their most Christian Coen movie, but there are a lot of movies where they comment very positively on the simple lives of Midwestern people and ascribe moral value to that simplicity, which is a Christian trope. In fact, problems usually tend to arise when the characters start trying to be like Jews, like making a quick buck, giving in to sexual temptation, and so on.
 
I found an older movie on Netflix the other night called Whiplash. Excellent flick about an ambitious, jazz drummer attending a top musical school in hopes of becoming a jazz great. This student has an instructor who pushes him to his limit, both physically and mentally, and as the audience, you're left wondering if he takes things too far.

The acting is sensational. As is the writing which gives you the idea that it's going to peter out after the second act, but then somehow gives you an amazing third act you weren't expecting. One of the things I liked most about this film was that it didn't lecture you on what is right and wrong which so many other movies do. Instead, it lets you decide for yourself.

It has an 8.5 rating on IMDB and it was nominated for Best Picture of that year. I'm surprised that I'm just now hearing about this film.



Veey good film. And the ending is an all-timer.
 
I recently saw Old Dads, a Bill Burr film. I've never been a fan of his, I think most of his success is because of his punchy voice and good fake outrage. Can't say I've laughed much at his stand-up comedy. Even still, I could appreciate the jabs he made against the progressive left. I get the impression Bill is an old-school liberal with a particular focus on freedom of speech, because of his profession. The movie seems to indicate the pendulum shifting backward against the woke. While Bill had to make several of his jokes safe and outdated, like his bit on Kylie Jenner, he did mock the fake outrage against saying trans instead of tranny and made fun of white people desperate to showcase any small % of their ancestry as something other than white.

Bill seems to lament the loss of the America he grew up in as a Gen X. Rather than turn away from his liberalism he gnashes his teeth with feeble attempts to attack the ridiculous once it's safe to do so. What's funny is how he mocks Millennials in the movie for not caring, only pretending to care so they don't get in trouble, and yet I bet his movie couldn't have come out between 2016-2022, even with his mild criticisms of woke.

Then I learned he is married to a black woman. His depiction of white women was incredibly negative and one-sided in the movie. There is some hatred there against his own race methinks and he rebels against it. Perhaps he did care when people called him a ginger.

There wasn't anything redeeming in the movie. What I mean is the ending's payoff was lame, unimaginative. Things still look hopeless for secular man. Society cannot be fixed, you have to learn to hold your tongue. The progressive left is so insane they make Bill look like a MAGA Trump lover. His leftist values have been left behind, like what Elon experienced, and I wonder how big of a cohort there is who Bill appeals to.
 
Watched Terminator 1 again with my father. Insane how much that movie nailed lighting. Looks way better and suits the scenes better than something like Blade Runner 2049. That is also what I thought watching the original movie having watched 2049 first.

I'm probably not rewatching Blade Runner any time soon just because of that eye scene with Roy...
 
The most poignant scene in Blade Runner was when the robot kissed his creator then killed him. Ridley Scott has an interesting take on religion for being an athiest
I liked the scene, but it felt out of place for the character that did it. The character himself is badly written and forgettable as well so it doesn't really matter. I don't skip that scene when I watch 2049 because it isn't too gory.

E;R had the same take on his video, but I probably can't post it here due to scenes of Japanese uh.. stuff. Not enough to get age restricted, but it's still degenerate. Check it out if you aren't bothered by him using weird anime stuff as the transitions. He talks about the scene at 11:14.
E;R is one of the only channels that make me "regret" deleting my GoyTube account with a lot of subscriptions. Excellent red pilled movie/game analyses. Gets degenerate some times though, sadly.

To go back to BR, Roy was better in every single way. Even Roy's creator was pretty good.
 
Man, I just remembered the most awkward incident ever when watching a movie on the living room.

It was on a Saturday and my parents were there, and it was playing Ghost from the 1990s. Movie ends with a very serious ending, then the television channel cuts to the credits. The credits get shortened to ~10 seconds, and another movie starts a bit after that. "Welcome to 40s". The movie immediately opened up with a sex scene with loud noises and a woman talking about viagra as a joke.

I didn't know where to put my face while that was going on. Physically recoiled. I retreated to the bathroom after a bit.
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I recently saw Old Dads, a Bill Burr film. I've never been a fan of his, I think most of his success is because of his punchy voice and good fake outrage. Can't say I've laughed much at his stand-up comedy. Even still, I could appreciate the jabs he made against the progressive left. I get the impression Bill is an old-school liberal with a particular focus on freedom of speech, because of his profession. The movie seems to indicate the pendulum shifting backward against the woke. While Bill had to make several of his jokes safe and outdated, like his bit on Kylie Jenner, he did mock the fake outrage against saying trans instead of tranny and made fun of white people desperate to showcase any small % of their ancestry as something other than white.

Bill seems to lament the loss of the America he grew up in as a Gen X. Rather than turn away from his liberalism he gnashes his teeth with feeble attempts to attack the ridiculous once it's safe to do so. What's funny is how he mocks Millennials in the movie for not caring, only pretending to care so they don't get in trouble, and yet I bet his movie couldn't have come out between 2016-2022, even with his mild criticisms of woke.

Then I learned he is married to a black woman. His depiction of white women was incredibly negative and one-sided in the movie. There is some hatred there against his own race methinks and he rebels against it. Perhaps he did care when people called him a ginger.

There wasn't anything redeeming in the movie. What I mean is the ending's payoff was lame, unimaginative. Things still look hopeless for secular man. Society cannot be fixed, you have to learn to hold your tongue. The progressive left is so insane they make Bill look like a MAGA Trump lover. His leftist values have been left behind, like what Elon experienced, and I wonder how big of a cohort there is who Bill appeals to.

Saw this one myself last week. I'd pretty much parrot everything you've said. I however, really liked Burr the comedian. IMO, he's the best I've seen since George Carlin.

And even though he wrote this movie, he's much less funny in his role. While he has the opportunity to make fun of certain groups, his stand up humor doesn't translate well to film and there isn't much of that humor to go around. Seems like he pulled punches in scenes where he could've gone off on a rant. Add to that, he's not much of an actor.
 
Whoever decided to bastardize "VIVE L'EMPEREUR!" to "glory to the emperor..." "I guess..." in the new Napoleon should be exiled to Paris's worst migrant tent street and forced to eat fried onions for every meal.
The movie's ending was entirely just a worse version of Waterloo from 50 years ago, and I didn't even like that movie much as well! My disappointment at the vive l'empereur thing is immeasurable, unironically.
 
I guess it's no coincidence to have the "Joker" play as Napoleon. I haven't even considered watching it after that weird rapo movie Scott made before.
 
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