The Living Off of Cryptocurrency Thread (Parallel/Circular Economies outside the system)

Chance Vought I want to ask if you lend out your Bitcoin in the safest possible manner what is the interest rate you can earn, how long do you have to lock it up for and how safe is it really?
At the moment I would not lend Bitcoin. It's dumb to put it at risk to get a 2-5% return, on an asset that appreciates 100% per year. You simply don't need yield!!! It's a scam, don't do it.

You are thinking in Fiat terms...because Fiat is always losing value, it always has to be put at risk somewhere...no need to risk your Bitcoin, because it is not losing value.

If you want more value, buy more Bitcoin
 
I'm not sure. It depends on how the Amish parents know and report their new children to the federal government.
I'm not sure. It depends on how the Amish parents know and report their new children to the federal government.
There was a former amish girl on Instagram who left her family and she makes videos about the amish community and how they live and I saw in the video that they dont have social security numbers and how shes as an adult now had to go get one since she was out living in the world now. I will have to double check to see how true that was but I think its true
 
At the moment I would not lend Bitcoin. It's dumb to put it at risk to get a 2-5% return, on an asset that appreciates 100% per year. You simply don't need yield!!! It's a scam, don't do it.

You are thinking in Fiat terms...because Fiat is always losing value, it always has to be put at risk somewhere...no need to risk your Bitcoin, because it is not losing value.

If you want more value, buy more Bitcoin
When you eventually get to the point that you want to retire off Bitcoin you have three basic options:

The first is to sell a small amount of Bitcoin every year which means you have to pay capital gains taxes and your Bitcoin holdings reduce over time.

The second is to borrow against your Bitcoin which then means you have to pay interest and also you now have risk of a margin call plus they now take your Bitcoin as collateral so you have the same custodial risk as when you lend your Bitcoin.

Thirdly you can lend out your Bitcoin and collect interest but are now subject to credit/default risk and custodial risk, changing interest rates and must pay income tax on any interest earned.
 
When you eventually get to the point that you want to retire off Bitcoin you have three basic options:

The first is to sell a small amount of Bitcoin every year which means you have to pay capital gains taxes and your Bitcoin holdings reduce over time.

The second is to borrow against your Bitcoin which then means you have to pay interest and also you now have risk of a margin call plus they now take your Bitcoin as collateral so you have the same custodial risk as when you lend your Bitcoin.

Thirdly you can lend out your Bitcoin and collect interest but are now subject to credit/default risk and custodial risk, changing interest rates and must pay income tax on any interest earned.
As far as taking loans against it, I think that is fairly safe, since you can do a multi-sig contract. Unchained Capital offers this, and soon (5-10 years) banks will be begging to be allowed to do this, because Bitcoin the the best collateral there is. It’s better than stocks, it’s better than a house, because the lender has essentially zero risk, interest rates will be the lowest of any collateral backed loan product.

Also there is the life insurance angle where you pay in, say 10 BTC, and you can take out a loan against the policy (that never has to be repaid.). The feature here is that once you take the Bitcoin out, you can sell it outright and your cost basis for capital gains is whatever it was when you took the loan.

So your cost basis for the 1 BTC you paid into the policy is $58k, but now you borrow that 1 BTC 10 years later and it’s now $1M, your cost basis when you sell is now $1M, so no capital gains tax.

 
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Yesterday, I showed a normie that you can actually use crypto to pay for stuff. While I shopping, I just got into a small talk with a very young bloke (looked like he was in first year of university) while waiting in line at the checkout. I commented on how high the prices have gotten since I last shopped here and he agreed while quietly admitting he was struggling to keep up with inflation. I casually explained to him that the Federal Reserve is the reason behind this and the only way to stop them is to move to a currency they can't manipulate like cryptocurrencies. He, of course, didn't understand and probably didn't care until he noticed I had my crypto wallet open on my phone as I was about to buy the store's gift card online to pay for my items. After I bought the card and paid, he looked bewildered and commented on how he thought crypto was a scam. I told him that many coins are, but there's a few that truly are digital cash and showed him and then went about my day.
 
I just found out there's a Christian accountant who accepts Monero for US tax filing and bookkeeping.


He even was in an interview with Aaron Clarey...



His YouTube channel:

 
Where was the pressure from?
It's unknown, but I assume competition from XMRBazaar gave this project a literal run for it's money rather than legal bollocks. Many Monero folks I know personally found Monero Market's UI and UX terrible in comparison to XMRBazaar. The fact that XMRBazaar has no fees at all, direct P2P exchanging of funds without using a custodial wallet, and having a famous Monero-activist behind it further annihilated Monero Marketplace.
 
PayPal will process Crypto paymants for merchants by converting the customer's crypto into their proprietary USD stablecoin and allowing the coin to be converted into real USD. The fees will be lower than Card fees. I personally have mixed opinions on this, but at least crypto adoption will trend.
 
PayPal will process Crypto paymants for merchants by converting the customer's crypto into their proprietary USD stablecoin and allowing the coin to be converted into real USD. The fees will be lower than Card fees. I personally have mixed opinions on this, but at least crypto adoption will trend.
Real USD haha.

I would guess the fees are still high. Square is already enabling their POS systems to process bitcoin payments seamlessly and invisibly to the merchant.

 
stablecoins are a complete joke in the USA...the rest of the world is almost exclusively using Tether on Tron. Circle, and all these bank issuers in the US that are going to create stablecoins that arent even interoperable is laughable. The only way they could even work together is using the banks/issuers as intermediaries...so what is even the point? even the All In Podcast boys were excited about this garbage.
 
Real USD haha.

I would guess the fees are still high. Square is already enabling their POS systems to process bitcoin payments seamlessly and invisibly to the merchant.

I think it's about 1.5-1.75% or so (not finalized). So still high but less than card; this would destroy Visa and Mastercard's oligarchy. Is Block using their own stablecoin or just only real fiat?

stablecoins are a complete joke in the USA...the rest of the world is almost exclusively using Tether on Tron. Circle, and all these bank issuers in the US that are going to create stablecoins that arent even interoperable is laughable. The only way they could even work together is using the banks/issuers as intermediaries...so what is even the point? even the All In Podcast boys were excited about this garbage.
USA is just trying to get more folks to buy their bonds thru legal force and maybe fool citizens into using psuedo-CBDCs (PBDCs are a better acronym) since most normies now are enlightened somewhat on actual CBDCs. Legacy finance is also trying to stay relevant (and kill off other competitor quickly). But yes, the whole thing is comical anyways.
 
I think it's about 1.5-1.75% or so (not finalized). So still high but less than card; this would destroy Visa and Mastercard's oligarchy. Is Block using their own stablecoin or just only real fiat?
no stablecoin is necessary - the Square terminal user can opt in to recieve bitcoin, or it will go directly into fiat by default in the account. Just like using Strike to send fiat - fiat crossborder and cross-currency payments using the bitcoin lightning network is essentially free and invisible to the user...stablecoins are defunct already, wall street and gov just havent caught up

Users have no reason to sit on stablecoins that yeild 0% interest and lose 10% of purchasing power per year, and its not worth it to merchants to save 0.5% to 1% in transaction fees - there is no use or incentive on either side
 
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the Square terminal user can opt in to recieve bitcoin, or it will go directly into fiat by default in the account.
Bitcoin payments would make a huge difference in terms of travel. At the moment when you travel if you pay by card when overseas often you get hit with the double whammy of credit card fees (for small shops/merchants, etc) and the foreign currency conversion fees. So often when on holidays in a foreign country when you add up those two costs you can be paying anywhere from 3% - 6% per transaction. If you spend $10,000 while on holidays that is $300 - $600 just in fees. If you can pay with Bitcoin and pay 1.5% that would mean $150 (on $10,000 of spending) instead of $300 - $600 over the course of your holiday. It is a meaningful amount of money. I think for businesses that get a lot of tourists as customers this will be a game changer once widespread adoption takes place.
 
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