The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

[It_Is_My_Time]

He's right, Trump already lied to Iran and bragged about it.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

I've never hated conservatards more than when I read posts like this. American women are a disaster, male-female relationships in the USA are a disaster, women's equality is one of the great evils of the world pushed by satan, and you want to make this a rallying cry to send our young men to die? If anything, this makes more young men not want to fight for this disgusting country.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Can’t they just weigh anchor?

Weigh anchor means pull it up. And both tankers were underway when they collided, so I don't exactly understand what You mean.

 

[TruckDriver9]

Iranian ballistic missiles hit an Israeli intel compound.

 

[Cooper]

I've never hated conservatards more than when I read posts like this. American women are a disaster, male-female relationships in the USA are a disaster, women's equality is one of the great evils of the world pushed by satan, and you want to make this a rallying cry to send our young men to die? If anything, this makes more young men not want to fight for this disgusting country.

Ironically, Iran has a problem with too many women in universities and professional careers:

 

[angel_n]

I've never hated conservatards more than when I read posts like this. American women are a disaster, male-female relationships in the USA are a disaster, women's equality is one of the great evils of the world pushed by satan, and you want to make this a rallying cry to send our young men to die? If anything, this makes more young men not want to fight for this disgusting country.

She's not American she's Jewish, obviously she wants US involvement in Iran.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[eradicator]

Weigh anchor means pull it up. And both tankers were underway when they collided, so I don't exactly understand what You mean.

I meant drop anchors

 

[TruckDriver9]

I meant drop anchors

Ah, ok.
So drop the anchor and wait it out. But how long they would have to wait, and what about the consequences - delayed oil/gas deliveries, disrupted supply chains, etc.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

We shall see if this looks legit or not, when it occurs.

 

[budoslavic]

She's not American she's Jewish, obviously she wants US involvement in Iran.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

True panic is setting in. It isn't so funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Cooper]

^I think that footage is from Georgia, this being said there is no question that panic is setting in within their populace.

Meanwhile, Torba:

 

[eradicator]

Option e: turn off iron dome to make it look like Tel Aviv is getting bombed back into the Stone Age

 

[eradicator]

Interesting theory , all of the conspiracy theories are connected. Makes some good points at about 28 minutes in

 

[SiverFox]

Option e: turn off iron dome to make it look like Tel Aviv is getting bombed back into the Stone Age

F: All of the above

 

[Cooper]

Things are looking pretty grim, Trump is going full neocon, dissed Tulsi and Tucker.

Israel is going to have the US fight its biggest war yet, war with Iran incoming.

 

[Dusty]

 

[Dusty]

^I think that footage is from Georgia, this being said there is no question that panic is setting in within their populace.

Meanwhile, Torba:

 

[budoslavic]

Things are looking pretty grim, Trump is going full neocon, dissed Tulsi and Tucker.

Based on Vance's tweet below, things are not looking good if Trump chose to "take further action to end Iranian enrichment".

Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:

First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy team to reach a deal with the Iranians to accomplish this goal. The president has made clear that Iran cannot have uranium enrichment. And he said repeatedly that this would happen one of two ways--the easy way or the "other" way.

Second, I've seen a lot of confusion over the issue of "civilian nuclear power" and "uranium enrichment." These are distinct issues. Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that. Meanwhile, they've enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose. They've been found in violation of their non-proliferation obligations by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is hardly a rightwing organization.

It's one thing to want civilian nuclear energy. It's another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capacity. And it's still another to cling to enrichment while simultaneously violating basic non-proliferation obligations and enriching right to the point of weapons-grade uranium.

I have yet to see a single good argument for why Iran needed to enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I've yet to see a single good argument for why Iran was justified in violating its non-proliferation obligations. I've yet to see a single good pushback against the IAEA's findings.

Meanwhile, the president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military's focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.

He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. That decision ultimately belongs to the president. And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy.

But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals. Whatever he does, that is his focus.