The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

Wutang said:
Nice reality-check. I get that lots of people would love to see Israel get a black eye given all the shenanigans and scheming they get up to especially when it comes to interfering with the US but I think it leads to a lot of wish-casting and pinning their hopes on these second and third world countries that don't really have the capability or competence to really take on Israel. This sort of mentality reminds me of all the people that got caught up with QAnon since they were desperate for some outside force to come and defeat their enemies only instead of pinning their hopes on some secret resistance group they are pinning their hopes on the Irans, Syrias, of the (second/third) world.

From what I've seen of the missile Iranian missile strikes that was supposed to "put Israel in it's place" it seemed more like a "do something, anything" sort of flailing reaction when compared to the initial Israeli barrage. I don't say this out of any sort of love of Israel by the way but it seems clear to me that the Israelis/Jews are more competent then their neighbors and I think even without US support they could actually prevail over them - which is another argument for the US staying out of this by the way.

I noticed some of the posters on here that think Israel is about to get what's coming to them are also people that are super focused on IQ differences between societies and how it results in different out comes for these societies. I thought this would have make them think twice about placing so much hope on these second/third world countries being up to rise up to the occasion and take on Israel/AIPAC/the disgusting US/Zionists/etc. but apparently not.
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Why are they asking for US troops?
 
Even if you can do something yourself, you would still prefer someone else to spend the blood and sweat and treasure to do it if possible and if such a golem seems to be available
 
The longer this war continues, the more likely the U.S. will be dragged into it. Given the astonishing power and influence of Jews on American foreign policy, it's very difficult to picture the U.S. telling Israel to pound sand if the war starts turning against them. If the conflict is painted in the media as a war for the outright survival of the state of Israel, there's simply no way the U.S. is going to remain on the sidelines.

Trump has also provided a very easily triggered tripwire for U.S involvement, by stating that any attack on U.S. forces by Iran will be met with overwhelming military retaliation. Given that Mossad has already deeply penetrated its assets into Iran, it would be the easiest thing in the world for them to stage a false flag "Iranian" attack against U.S. forces in the region using rockets or drones.
 
Iranian nuclear agency
The IDF releases footage of its overnight strike on Iran's "nuclear program headquarters" in Tehran.
Earlier, the military said it hit some 80 targets in Tehran overnight, including fuel depots, the Iranian Defense Ministry headquarters, the “headquarters of the SPND nuclear project," and other targets related to Iran's nuclear program. Some 50 fighter jets participated in the strikes, the IDF adds.
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Nuclear scientists were assassinated in car bomb explosions
 
Wutang said:
Nice reality-check. I get that lots of people would love to see Israel get a black eye given all the shenanigans and scheming they get up to especially when it comes to interfering with the US but I think it leads to a lot of wish-casting and pinning their hopes on these second and third world countries that don't really have the capability or competence to really take on Israel. This sort of mentality reminds me of all the people that got caught up with QAnon since they were desperate for some outside force to come and defeat their enemies only instead of pinning their hopes on some secret resistance group they are pinning their hopes on the Irans, Syrias, of the (second/third) world.

From what I've seen of the missile Iranian missile strikes that was supposed to "put Israel in it's place" it seemed more like a "do something, anything" sort of flailing reaction when compared to the initial Israeli barrage. I don't say this out of any sort of love of Israel by the way but it seems clear to me that the Israelis/Jews are more competent then their neighbors and I think even without US support they could actually prevail over them - which is another argument for the US staying out of this by the way.

I noticed some of the posters on here that think Israel is about to get what's coming to them are also people that are super focused on IQ differences between societies and how it results in different out comes for these societies. I thought this would have make them think twice about placing so much hope on these second/third world countries being up to rise up to the occasion and take on Israel/AIPAC/the disgusting US/Zionists/etc. but apparently not.
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Iran has one of the highest national IQ's in the world, estimated to be between 106 to 110. Their problem has been, while they are smart enough to see through the BS of the west for decades, they have had the previous White high IQ west attacking them non-stop for 50 years.

Now the west is becoming not White and the IQ of the west is falling off a cliff with third world immigration, they are catching up. Iran didn't just give Israel a black-eye last night, they completely exposed them. They exposed how severely overrated their air defense systems are against a real advisory. They exposed how weak their people are, supposed warriors who will fight against all enemies to defend their land, instead are looking to bail and return to New York. They exposed how much west technology is falling behind, due to third world immigration.

The people of Tel Aviv mostly thought they were safe, maybe a missile or two would get through. But that isn't the case, the big stuff hit and according to Iran, who so far has been truthful, they have more devastating missiles they have not unveiled yet.

But best of all, is the comments on twitter. Seeing politicians and media talking heads get absolutely crushed and ratio'ed by average people is a huge sign of how unpopular Israel has become.

In a vacuum, yes the USA could get involved and really cause damage to Iran and probably crush it. But this will cost 10's of thousands of soldiers lives. And people are talking about what a disaster life is in the USA. No one can afford to buy a home, the roads are so bad they cause wrecks, insurance is so high people can't afford to go out and enjoy fun things, and crime is so rampant large swaths of the country are no longer even safe to travel through. And we still have diversity quotas and Africans running wild destroying shopping complexes and hurting a lot of people. And that is where this vacuum breaks. No one wants their kid to die, or get hurt, or have their kid come home with life altering PTSD, all for this trash disgusting country. There is no support here for the war and when flag draped caskets start to return, the anger will boil over at home.

The only questions are, how many missiles does Iran have, how quickly can they produce them, and will they be able to continue to launch them. If they can continue to produce and launch these missiles, it is over for Israel, outside of capitulation. We just don't know the answers to these questions, we do know Iran can reach out and touch Israel in a way they have never experienced before.
 
It_Is_My_Time said:
Iran has one of the highest national IQ's in the world, estimated to be between 106 to 110. Their problem has been, while they are smart enough to see through the BS of the west for decades, they have had the previous White high IQ west attacking them non-stop for 50 years.
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I saw a page that had Iran's IQ being in that range with the source being based on some performance on an IQ quiz which I'm assuming was your source.

international-iq-test.com

Average IQ by country (2024 update)

The average IQ by country (with ranking), updated in 2024. This study is based on 1,691,740 people around the world.
international-iq-test.com international-iq-test.com

There's other countries that are higher up than what I see on other country IQ lists which made me think there's some noise when it comes to the data they were using. For example Thailand has a score of 101 despite being one of those brown Asian countries. Also Sri Lanka and India are fairly high up even though their are considered to be the epitome of turd world with their scores being comparable to the high IQ western European nations so I'm not sure if you want to use this as proof.

Here's another IQ list with the results being more typical of what we would expect with East Asian countries being at the top and Western first world countries being just below. Iran is at 93 here.

www.worlddata.info

IQ: Intelligence by country

A worldwide comparison of the intelligence quotient. Perceptiveness and learning ability in relation to income, education expenditure and climate.
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If you want something with more academic rigor, here's something from a Richard Lynn who is the go to academic for people in the whole IQ of nations sphere and those in the dissident right. He has Iran's IQ being in the 80s.

 
Wutang said:
I saw a page that had Iran's IQ being in that range with the source being based on some performance on an IQ quiz which I'm assuming was your source.

international-iq-test.com

Average IQ by country (2024 update)

The average IQ by country (with ranking), updated in 2024. This study is based on 1,691,740 people around the world.
international-iq-test.com international-iq-test.com

There's other countries that are higher up than what I see on other country IQ lists which made me think there's some noise when it comes to the data they were using. For example Thailand has a score of 101 despite being one of those brown Asian countries. Also Sri Lanka and India are fairly high up even though their are considered to be the epitome of turd world with their scores being comparable to the high IQ western European nations so I'm not sure if you want to use this as proof.

Here's another IQ list with the results being more typical of what we would expect with East Asian countries being at the top and Western first world countries being just below. Iran is at 93 here.

www.worlddata.info

IQ: Intelligence by country

A worldwide comparison of the intelligence quotient. Perceptiveness and learning ability in relation to income, education expenditure and climate.
www.worlddata.info www.worlddata.info

If you want something with more academic rigor, here's something from a Richard Lynn who is the go to academic for people in the whole IQ of nations sphere and those in the dissident right. He has Iran's IQ being in the 80s.

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Iranians are mostly Persians with some Arab and Arab mixture population. The Arab population will bring their IQ down, but I don't believe their nation's average IQ is any where close to 80. That would put them at the same level as African Americans, and this is a very advanced and ancient society and civilization. They have just been at war with the Zionist and the Zionist controlled west since WW2. That is a long time fighting the most powerful military force in the world and to survive through it all.

What matters is not just raw IQ, as we see East Asian IQ scores higher than Europeans, but their creativity and desire to explore lacks. The discussion point you made is there are informed posters here who know about IQ averages among racial demographics, but then they are cheering on Iran. This holds no water, because even if Iran's average IQ is in the 80's, which I do not believe at all this is true, then they are still doing God's work in taking on the anti-Christ. But, even if you want to try to make this leap and call it "hypocrisy", Iran's abilities and advancements are on a whole different level than Sub-Saharan Africans or Mestizos. Which are going to take over the west, run the IQ into the ground, and allow Iran to continue to pull ahead. Israel has to take out Iran now, because they know time is running out to do so.

The problem for Israel, and many not seeing long term, is that in the end, the most important possession of any nation is its people.. Meaning, genetics are king, you can't recreate the tower of Babel, it just how God intended. And even if the anti-Christ USA/Israel wins this war and removes Iran's regime, the Persian people will exist, and the anti-Christ will continue to make mistakes, and down the road, maybe many generations, this will catch up to them. Only the truth will hold together, printing money to pretend everybody equal has a short self-life on the time line of human civilization.

A famous man, once said, at the end of losing a war, when asked "who do we fight for now?" and the said "the coming man". You would have to completely genocide the Persian people, and somehow not wear that stain with the entire world watching to pull this off. And that is a very tall task.
 
magoo said:
Why are they asking for US troops?
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That's been normal since Gulf War 1 (1990-91), and the increasing use of American soldiers in the Middle East since 9/11 fits into the Greater Israel project that's unfolding.

At this point in the timeline, US boots on the ground are much less competent than in 1991 or even 2003 and probably not tactically necessary to render Iran impotent.

However, what is the effective separation right now between the US and Israel? They run our foreign policy and military. They seem to be the most influential lobbyist in Congress for their priority agenda items, and so forth.

When I take a broad overview of how, during the Syrian War, there were different terrorist factions, some controlled by the CIA and some by the US military, fighting each other, who was the real puppet master? Not Trump. US generals brazenly lied to him.

With very little separation between the US and Israel at this point, resulting in a nearly 1:1 implicit relationship, having an explicit agreement for US boots on the ground provides a good cover story so that Israel can achieve its aims in Iran, while patriotic normies and Zio-Christians continue to think the US is a sovereign country.

There are other benefits, of course, like the "rebuilding" we did in Iraq.
 
LaAguilaNegra said:
Supplying Iran with capable AD systems would have negated Israeli air supremacy, which in turn would have prevented the current turkey shoot that is happening over and on Iranian soil. It is quite certain that maintaining Israeli aerial superiority is part of a set of below the table agreements between Netanyahu and Putin.

Syria was the proverbial canary in the coalmine. For 8 years the Israelis had a free hand in Syrian airspace, and in the final stages of Bashar's rule the Russians and Israeli were daily coordinating strikes on SAA/Iranian targets, aka the Israelis told the Russians where and what they would strike to avoid accidents. Not once did the Russian AD systems engage, and not once did the Russian inform the Iranians about their impending doom. Some very big IRGC fish were fried in Syria over the years. The few outdated Russian AD pieces the Syrians operated were purposely compromised as to avoid the SAAs AD assets engaging Israeli jets, and by extension putting a block on Israeli operations.

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Iran is a tad different as Russia cannot avoid Iran to fall due to the grave geopolitical consequences it would have. Nevertheless the Russians are very vocal about the need for the Iranians to abide by the Non Proliferation Treaty, and to cooperate with international organizations on the matter. The Kremlin might very well start pushing for negotiations and a new JCPOA tier deal soon enough, calling it here.

The Iranians have been trying to move the RU- IR relationship forward but got hit with a brick wall every single time. Pro tip: it might be an idea for one of the Boomerturbans to do an Early Life check on about half the Kremlin as to find out the why, stuff's embarrassing. Iran's last gesture of goodwill: providing Russia with drones and short distance missiles in the first months of Ukraine, and eventually granting Russia the needed licenses to move Shaheed production plants to Russia instead.

Per usual the Kremlinboomers did not return the favor, and have been behaving like a bunch of a-holes on just about every occasion instead. S400 sale, deliberately put on hold. S300 sale, delivery deliberatily delayed until the Iranians started a years long court case in Geneva. Su35 sale, deliberately put on hold. The Russians we're actually so not willing to hand over Iran its hardware that they fasttracked a much later placed Algerian order Su35 a couple of months ago.

www.timesofisrael.com/report-russia-freezes-delivery-of-s-300-missile-defense-to-iran/amp/

Nevertheless copetakes will continue flowing. Con-artists and snake oil vendors have been flocking around this stale narrative for over a decade, and that ain't gonna change overnight. Pay attention to how any reference to the S400/S35 saga will get conveniently ignored, yet junk garage sales of outdated and inferior Russian weapon systems and intentionally de-contextualized and misinterpreted official Russian statements are totally proof.

In that sense it will be a bit like the Gaza affaire. For 18 months Putin has also been just about to move on Gaza and flex his mucles to stop the genocide. Two more weeks y'all! Meanwhile half the European Continent is moving forward with boycotting and sanctioning Israel, but not a word on that.

Iran was never supposed to be a peer competitor and that set up has worked. Courtesy of Putin. Hence the Iranians now have to deal with 200-250 Israeli sorties per day without any tools or assets to stop those from hitting their target. Despite small recent victories in the form of leveling Israeli apartment buildings, and exacting a real price aka a death toll, the situation is unsustainable.
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I believe Iran has been using Russian mid-range Pantsir AA systems.


Certainly both Russia and China are transactional/pragmatic in their realpolitik-driven foreign policies, but I doubt they let Iran down to the point of losing them. While the Russians do benefit from escalation in Iran as it will drain US and NATO resources, they do not want Iran turned into another Libya/Syria.

As to the Russians in Syria, their calculus was that they did not have escalatory dominance there, no safe supply lines while the Americans had a massive footprint in the region, if things blew up in Syria, their garnison would be in a very vulnerable position between US, Israeli and Turkish forces. That situation of course worsened after the Ukraine war started.

Iran did land some serious blows, hitting targets like the Haifa refinery, which supplies 60% of Israel's fuel, some port installations there and the defense ministry HQ in Tel Aviv. Beyond any material losses though they have scored psychological victories and have something to show for after being hit hard on the first day. They have shattered the myth of invulnerability of Israel. Israel is going to lose a fraction of its population and a lot of its foreign business there. Would executives from multinationals like Intel (which scrapped its $25 billion Israeli expansion plan) want to live and work in a potential warzone?

Iran as well has a culture of martyrdom, they threw a million bodies at Saddam's Iraq and ultimately prevailed. A US/Israeli bombing campaign is not going to make anywhere near that kind of a dent. And unlike Gaza or Syria, Iran is not going to go hungry.
 
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