The Iran and Wider Middle East Thread

Been hearing about this since at least 2012 that Russia was going to supply Syria, and then Iran, with capable air defense.

Syria shot down a Russian plane while trying to defend against an Israeli air attack in an apparent set up a few years ago, which looked like Israel knew EXACTLY what were the capabilities of the, I think, S-300s the Syrians were using at the time.

And a similar scenario played out more recently where Iran shot down one of its own passenger jets.

It looks like Israel has the upper hand and that Russia either does not have or does not properly share its air defense.
As a tangent, below is a video of famous Hezbollah tied journalist Hossein Mortada, anyone that followed the Syrian War will recognize his face immediately. Watched the video a couple of month ago already with subtitles but couldn't find the Twitter link anymore. Further proof that serious people high up the food chain in both the former Syrian Arab Republic and Hezbollah organization are aware of the Russian duplicity.

 
The odds of a 9/11-style false flag from the usual suspects are frighteningly high if Trump refuses to back Israel.

Israel needs the US's heavy B52 and B2 bombers to permanently disable the nuclear facility at Fardow. Israel's own aerial fleet is not equipped to destroy targets this deep underground. Disabling the Iranian nuclear program is the strategic objective of this operation, either by forcing Iran to sign it away or, even better, by destroying it themselves.

As for 'backing up Israel', Trump's been pretty good to Israel. The Trump Administration is not captivated by the Likudniks (like many expected in Nov 2024), and has on at least 3 occasions obliged Israel to enter (temporary) ceasefires. Yet at the same time regarding Iran Trump is still backing Israel up financially, is utilizing the US' MIC output to maintain Israel's military dominance, and is diverting military assets from elsewhere for Israel's defence.
 

They are discussing the terms of the false flag.

My bet is jews will try to pressure US economically first. They will destroy US and themselves in the process. Jews are a rabid fag blind lunatic cult.



"Israel’s military and air force have sufficiently degraded Iran’s defenses such that this is now the lowest-risk, highest-probability moment to take out Iran’s nuclear capability, a grave threat to us all."

Lowest risk says this lunatic. You could go there then. What do you think stupid jew? I will pay him the ticket. And the aftermath jew lunatic? Iranians will stay still. No escalation? Fucking cult. Takes away all reasoning from them. Someone whistles and like crazy zombie dogs they all come barking. And you need to think this guy must be highly intelligent and rational to run a succefull fund. But he can´t let his jew cult emotions aside. They will self preserve themselves at the expense of anyone. But in this case they will burn also.

109 countries expelled and it looks like it will be 110 fast.

"We have documents confirming that US bases in the region support Israeli attacks on Iran." - Abbas Araghchi, Foreign Minister of Iran.

Trump has his limited power. He fucked it up with the tariffs. It drained his power. Creating division and weakness among allies. He can´t control the pentagon. Nobody can control the pentagon. Another bunch of lunatics. Who runs the pentagon? The only way would be for american troops to refuse to serve in this lunacy. The morale will be shit. And america will lose. But jews don´t care. They are blindly taking america off the cliff. They are betting on China to host them. But a lot will have to change for the yellows to receive them. As it is they have no place to run.

Theres also seems to be a change instead of intelligence backed regime coups jews decided that US should fight conventional wars instead. It might be to complete drain and collapse US resources.
 
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The odds of a 9/11-style false flag from the usual suspects are frighteningly high if Trump refuses to back Israel.

A lot has happened since 2001! With the rise of social media and cameras everywhere, it's hard to get away with something like that. (although I've never been a fan of the more radical 9/11 theories) It's all on Trump this. Iran was peaceful, and Trump forced this situation on them with the "strike a deal or not" stuff. Totally intentional! Now all Iran has to do is attack a US military asset, and we might just have a full on war with US troops involved.
 
A lot has happened since 2001! With the rise of social media and cameras everywhere, it's hard to get away with something like that. (although I've never been a fan of the more radical 9/11 theories) It's all on Trump this. Iran was peaceful, and Trump forced this situation on them with the "strike a deal or not" stuff. Totally intentional!
He is an inconsequential spoiled amateur. His sons should be recruited. But maybe he wouldn´t even care. This is high level stakes. No margin of error. He maybe would be good at local politics. This is above his level. And Rubio is even worse.

Now all Iran has to do is attack a US military asset, and we might just have a full on war with US troops involved.

Or Israel disguised as Iran. It wouldn´t be the first time Israel attacked US military.
 
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Supplying Iran with capable AD systems would have negated Israeli air supremacy, which in turn would have prevented the current turkey shoot that is happening over and on Iranian soil. It is quite certain that maintaining Israeli aerial superiority is part of a set of below the table agreements between Netanyahu and Putin.

Syria was the proverbial canary in the coalmine. For 8 years the Israelis had a free hand in Syrian airspace, and in the final stages of Bashar's rule the Russians and Israeli were daily coordinating strikes on SAA/Iranian targets, aka the Israelis told the Russians where and what they would strike to avoid accidents. Not once did the Russian AD systems engage, and not once did the Russian inform the Iranians about their impending doom. Some very big IRGC fish were fried in Syria over the years. The few outdated Russian AD pieces the Syrians operated were purposely compromised as to avoid the SAAs AD assets engaging Israeli jets, and by extension putting a block on Israeli operations.

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Iran is a tad different as Russia cannot avoid Iran to fall due to the grave geopolitical consequences it would have. Nevertheless the Russians are very vocal about the need for the Iranians to abide by the Non Proliferation Treaty, and to cooperate with international organizations on the matter. The Kremlin might very well start pushing for negotiations and a new JCPOA tier deal soon enough, calling it here.

The Iranians have been trying to move the RU- IR relationship forward but got hit with a brick wall every single time. Pro tip: it might be an idea for one of the Boomerturbans to do an Early Life check on about half the Kremlin as to find out the why, stuff's embarrassing. Iran's last gesture of goodwill: providing Russia with drones and short distance missiles in the first months of Ukraine, and eventually granting Russia the needed licenses to move Shaheed production plants to Russia instead.

Per usual the Kremlinboomers did not return the favor, and have been behaving like a bunch of a-holes on just about every occasion instead. S400 sale, deliberately put on hold. S300 sale, delivery deliberatily delayed until the Iranians started a years long court case in Geneva. Su35 sale, deliberately put on hold. The Russians we're actually so not willing to hand over Iran its hardware that they fasttracked a much later placed Algerian order Su35 a couple of months ago.

www.timesofisrael.com/report-russia-freezes-delivery-of-s-300-missile-defense-to-iran/amp/

Nevertheless copetakes will continue flowing. Con-artists and snake oil vendors have been flocking around this stale narrative for over a decade, and that ain't gonna change overnight. Pay attention to how any reference to the S400/S35 saga will get conveniently ignored, yet junk garage sales of outdated and inferior Russian weapon systems and intentionally de-contextualized and misinterpreted official Russian statements are totally proof.

In that sense it will be a bit like the Gaza affaire. For 18 months Putin has also been just about to move on Gaza and flex his mucles to stop the genocide. Two more weeks y'all! Meanwhile half the European Continent is moving forward with boycotting and sanctioning Israel, but not a word on that.

Iran was never supposed to be a peer competitor and that set up has worked. Courtesy of Putin. Hence the Iranians now have to deal with 200-250 Israeli sorties per day without any tools or assets to stop those from hitting their target. Despite small recent victories in the form of leveling Israeli apartment buildings, and exacting a real price aka a death toll, the situation is unsustainable.
This is the only thing that makes sense because I had always assumed if Russian air defense was not capable, then NATO air force would have been much more involved in the Ukraine war.

But if capable, then why was Russia's air defense in Syria worthless?

I suppose Putin bringing the Assad family out of Syria when it collapsed was an excellent gesture as it had me confused.

Funny that it was during Trump 2.0 that the green light for finishing Syria was finally given.

The greater Israel project moves forward.
 
The guy issues a 60 day ultimatum. Like he is doing a real estate transaction. Ultimatums or deadlines are bad diplomacy. When issued they need to be backed up by real actions and enforced. Cry wolf. Nobody pays attention to it. Cause everybody knows he is a liar. He misleads iranians (or maybe Israel just shit on his head and went rogue. Which is equally bad). Israel makes a surprise attack. Similar to Ukraine on Russia nuclear planes. Which has zero effect. Contrary to Michael Corleone he fails miserably. This is like those mafia movies when one mobster invites other bosses to negotiations and kills them all. In telegram channels the attacks from Iran came after Israelis tried to take out Iran leader by bombing his residencial area and failed. Whatever strategy this imbecile and the jew put in place failed miserably. The level is so disastrous. It´s almost a comedy show if people weren´t suffering.

Now he is still not satisfied. After blowing up the negotiations with his amateurism. He escalates on his stupidity by saying if Iran attacks an US base they will join the war. Basically he just told Israel what to do if they want US involvement. Expect Israelis pretending to be iranians making threats. No official quote from Iran officials. Israeli pretending to be iranians. But iranians are also lunatics. So everything is possible.

US will most likely get involved. At this moment the battle is just for public perception. Which is important because acting in self defense exempts the person from guilt. Which is all this charade is about. Unfortunately for the innocents who will die at his hands this will mean nothing.

This is obvious to anyone. So please dont say this time Trump is not in it. He is in it and complicit with shit till his knees. They wargamed all this scenarios. And knew this would happen. Trump is not being lied to. He knows exactly what he is doing.

I knew this idiot couldn´t play this game. He blinked with corona and blinked again with Iran. But I expected it to happen in his last year. They probably antecipated this time because they want him to be there for more years to be able to pull the most retarded shit on US/western population.

Let´s hope NATO is not called upon. But since it´s jews. Europe will also follow the lead.

I wonder if Musk knew about all of this. And distanced himself from this disaster in making.
 
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If Russia were going to get involved, they would have done more earlier this year to protect Syria.

One of Putin's promises is not to get involved in foreign wars. He stuck to this when Turkey/NATO shot down that Russian SU-24 in 2015 and I think he will stick to it now.

I think China can benefit from live fire testing of its new weapons (a long held US MIC strategy), and make money, without putting skin in the game.

China likes Iranian oil, but not enough to get directly involved, which would probably raise their overall annual oil cost from an actual war more than Iran continuing to be thrashed by Israel in this limited way.
Chinese intervention in whatever shape or form would represent a break with 40 years of non-interference, hence unlikely. The Chinese have interests and assets in Iran which represent value. One example: Tehran's Imam Khomeini Airport is currently undergoing re-construction after a 2.5 billion USD Chinese investment, the Israelis might just trash it. Likewise Iran is a major oil supplier for the Chinese, and their BRI runs through Iran. Yet the Chinese leadership is always pragmatic in the face of setbacks, China on paper backed Assad, then did nothing when he got disposed, and now Chinese investment is already quietly moving into post Assad Syria with Beijing behind the curtains dangling more promises of investment in front of al Sharaa to create a economic dependency dynamic.



The Chinese would indeed like to test their weapon systems and use the experience for future benefits but the Iranian situation doesn't lend itself for it. What Iran needs are complex weapon systems, yet those require months of training and preparation meaning that it would have to be Chinese operating the AD systems, jets and radar systems. Again, not going to happen.

In short the Iranians shouldn' make policy decisions relying on any of these outside actors. They have proven themselves to be shady, and even if genuine lack dedication. Instead the Iranian leadership should seriously start considering closing the the Strait of Hormuz and/or handicapping Gulf States' hydrocarbon infrastructure. It would bring the pain elsewhere, create a reality check and swiftly push many international fencesitters towards a ceasefire position.


Point in case. The internet was going wild over speculation on Chinese cargo planes landing in Iran. Supposedly carrying arms. Yet none of that happened, cargo planes in question are en route to destinations beyond Iran. Also any future Chinese planes landing in Iran will be used for evacuating Chinese nationals.

 





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Above post seems like a mix between tough talking, bluster, and implied threats ("the full strength and might of the U.S. Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before" but then is offset by talks of a deal. More vagueness and unclarity.

This second post seems more leaning towards not getting involved in the way Israel wants the US to be involved


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Nevertheless copetakes will continue flowing. Con-artists and snake oil vendors have been flocking around this stale narrative for over a decade, and that ain't gonna change overnight. Pay attention to how any reference to the S400/S35 saga will get conveniently ignored, yet junk garage sales of outdated and inferior Russian weapon systems and intentionally de-contextualized and misinterpreted official Russian statements are totally proof.

In that sense it will be a bit like the Gaza affaire. For 18 months Putin has also been just about to move on Gaza and flex his mucles to stop the genocide. Two more weeks y'all! Meanwhile half the European Continent is moving forward with boycotting and sanctioning Israel, but not a word on that.

Iran was never supposed to be a peer competitor and that set up has worked. Courtesy of Putin. Hence the Iranians now have to deal with 200-250 Israeli sorties per day without any tools or assets to stop those from hitting their target. Despite small recent victories in the form of leveling Israeli apartment buildings, and exacting a real price aka a death toll, the situation is unsustainable.

Nice reality-check. I get that lots of people would love to see Israel get a black eye given all the shenanigans and scheming they get up to especially when it comes to interfering with the US but I think it leads to a lot of wish-casting and pinning their hopes on these second and third world countries that don't really have the capability or competence to really take on Israel. This sort of mentality reminds me of all the people that got caught up with QAnon since they were desperate for some outside force to come and defeat their enemies only instead of pinning their hopes on some secret resistance group they are pinning their hopes on the Irans, Syrias, of the (second/third) world.

From what I've seen of the missile Iranian missile strikes that was supposed to "put Israel in it's place" it seemed more like a "do something, anything" sort of flailing reaction when compared to the initial Israeli barrage. I don't say this out of any sort of love of Israel by the way but it seems clear to me that the Israelis/Jews are more competent then their neighbors and I think even without US support they could actually prevail over them - which is another argument for the US staying out of this by the way.

I noticed some of the posters on here that think Israel is about to get what's coming to them are also people that are super focused on IQ differences between societies and how it results in different out comes for these societies. I thought this would have make them think twice about placing so much hope on these second/third world countries being up to rise up to the occasion and take on Israel/AIPAC/the disgusting US/Zionists/etc. but apparently not.
 
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