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The future of flying

Uncle Cr33pin

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I think this topic could use it's own thread as currently there are tons of memes, articles, and conversations being had about it spread all around the forum.

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( I wasn't sure which sub thread this belonged in, if it would be a better fit somewhere else feel free to move it)
 





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Some of the incidents lately have been overblown but there are real concerns that given trends we are overdue for a major accident of some kind. Until that happens however, commercial aviation is still safer than it has ever been.

A real weak point currently is ATC, they are understaffed and overworked across the country and it doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. Fatigued and overworked controllers make mistakes and thank God none of the mistakes has been catastrophic recently but it is an area of vulnerability in the system.

I am adjacent to the aviation industry and IME it is still very much dominated by white males on the ground level. Most folks are based, I've even met a flight school owner who refuses to hire vaxxed instructors. The profession tends to reward accurate perception of reality and punish delusion. Some companies are trying to do the DEI thing from the top down but I believe (and hope) that in such an industry where lives (and profits) rely so much on competency and being in touch with reality, that standards won't be allowed to slip in the name of diversity. Aviation has a real hard-on for safety practices and rightfully so.

Boeing on the other hand seems FUBAR, it's a real shame. Symbolic of the decline of American primacy I suppose.

As I said in another thread I do think that at some point there will be an attempted reckoning for aviation in the name of "climate change" but the aviation lobby isn't the weakest around either.
 
Some of the incidents lately have been overblown but there are real concerns that given trends we are overdue for a major accident of some kind. Until that happens however, commercial aviation is still safer than it has ever been.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. A few weeks ago when looking into this rabbit hole I saw some statistics and one was.... I forget the name but some kind of "event" where there is a close call or mechanical close call and the reports said those "events" were up over 400% compared to a few years ago. That on top of all these mishaps that are flooding the news if you know where to look makes it seem to me as if like most things in life.... flight safety is degrading rapidly.

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I'll have to respectfully disagree. A few weeks ago when looking into this rabbit hole I saw some statistics and one was.... I forget the name but some kind of "event" where there is a close call or mechanical close call and the reports said those "events" were up over 400% compared to a few years ago. That on top of all these mishaps that are flooding the news if you know where to look makes it seem to me as if like most things in life.... flight safety is degrading rapidly.


I would be interested to see this material if you could link it, not saying I disbelieve you I just want to parse it. While this may be true, the converse is that none of those close calls has yet manifested in a serious accident and in a way the system is working well by keeping close calls, close calls. It's telling that the news is flooded with 'mishaps' and not accidents as we would hear about regularly in years past.

The major exception to this trend in recent years is the 737MAX MCAS which rightfully became a huge scandal and has been resolved, albeit with huge damage to Boeing's credibility.

A lot of the mishaps flooding the news are blown out of proportion and based on shoddy reporting. I'm not trying to deny that there is anything wrong and claim everything is peachy and getting better every day. But I perceive that there is some fearmongering going on in the media.
 
It's still much safer than driving a car.

But the airline industry in general is a complete disaster. Flying is a miserable experience, especially long hauls overseas.

My biggest issue is they don't enforce fat asses must pay for two seats.
 
Flying is a miserable experience, especially long hauls overseas.
Agreed that flying is miserable, at least in the US. I'll never forget my first international flight. It was China Airlines, and boy, I had no idea flying could be so comfortable!

I sat next to someone who complained about how little this airline offers the whole time.
 
What if all of the DEI and rise in airline incidents is just a way to discourage the masses from flying? The climate change and carbon credits scheme doesn't seem to really be catching on, but make people think their lives are in danger and there may be a big drop in travelers.

If it keeps getting worse, expect to see more small companies entering the local market. Something like ride sharing/co-op or uber for upper middle-class folks. It makes a lot more sense for folks in the Midwest where commercial flights are outrageously priced anyways, plus a lot of locations are still hours by car away from the big airports.
 
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