The Epstein Docs

Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Unpopular opinion:

Most of these “victims” aren’t even victims. They are biological adults and were given large amounts of money for their “services” (just stay still and don’t resist, such work!). They benefitted in the long run. They’ll be fine.

Obviously it’s illicit but stuff like alcohol does FAAAAR more bad things to society. A couple a rich men liking some jailbait is mere human nature. Biblically is no more a sin than a regular adult man fornicating with an adult girl. Scratch that prostitution is less bad than “free sex.”


This says sl00ts are worse than whores.
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Eh, trafficking underage girls is pretty bad. Not that the tobacco and alcohol companies aren’t dealing in dirty dollars, marketing to children but Epstein and maxwell are on a whole other level because they are recruiting underage girls for sex and blackmail. If all of the girls were over 18 I’d agree with you.

The younger girls were paid , sure , but they likely didn’t understand what they were agreeing to much less how it would affect them in life, because they are underage and legally children.
 
eradicator said:
Eh, trafficking underage girls is pretty bad. Not that the tobacco and alcohol companies aren’t dealing in dirty dollars, marketing to children but Epstein and maxwell are on a whole other level because they are recruiting underage girls for sex and blackmail. If all of the girls were over 18 I’d agree with you.

The younger girls were paid , sure , but they likely didn’t understand what they were agreeing to much less how it would affect them in life, because they are underage and legally children.
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I watched a video with Maria Farmer...she made some very very very wild claims but I got the sense most of them are were true about how Jeffrey and Ghislaine operated.

She was clearly very f'd up from all the traumatic experiences and some of her claims (like saying Trump was involved) havent panned out. I didn't get the sense she really was fully cognizant of all the stuff that she had been through...


 
eradicator said:
Eh, trafficking underage girls is pretty bad. Not that the tobacco and alcohol companies aren’t dealing in dirty dollars, marketing to children but Epstein and maxwell are on a whole other level because they are recruiting underage girls for sex and blackmail. If all of the girls were over 18 I’d agree with you.

The younger girls were paid , sure , but they likely didn’t understand what they were agreeing to much less how it would affect them in life, because they are underage and legally children.
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So you’re basing your interpretation off the law, gotcha. Seems silly if you actually break it down. You are basically saying teenagers can’t consent. If a teenager fornicates, they have sinned. If a 4 year old has sex, they didn’t, because 4 year olds don’t know what they are doing even remotely.

Also, I saw you’re agnostic, makes sense. “Adolescence” is a 20th century construct meant to infantilize young adults.”.
 
Maria Farmer did not lie. Trump moved in very dodgy circles. He was a protege of Roy Cohn, who was a creepy figure, blackmailer, homosexual, and pedo.

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Roy Cohn with a young Donald Trump.

 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
So you’re basing your interpretation off the law, gotcha. Seems silly if you actually break it down. You are basically saying teenagers can’t consent. If a teenager fornicates, they have sinned. If a 4 year old has sex, they didn’t, because 4 year olds don’t know what they are doing even remotely.

Also, I saw you’re agnostic, makes sense. “Adolescence” is a 20th century construct meant to infantilize young adults.”.
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I think with girls reaching puberty as young as 9 years old, there should be an age at which a girl may be capable of having sex and getting pregnant, but should be protected by law from adults seducing her (or paying her for sex), without permission from her parents.

If the parents consent for a 16 year old girl to marry, I think that is acceptable, although perhaps not wise. However, if an underage girl accepts payment from someone like Epstein, to screw a slimeball like Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton, then I think all adults involved should be hung. I don't think that is on the girl as the consequences of her own free choice.
 
Thomas More said:
I think with girls reaching puberty as young as 9 years old, there should be an age at which a girl may be capable of having sex and getting pregnant, but should be protected by law from adults seducing her (or paying her for sex), without permission from her parents.

If the parents consent for a 16 year old girl to marry, I think that is acceptable, although perhaps not wise. However, if an underage girl accepts payment from someone like Epstein, to screw a slimeball like Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton, then I think all adults involved should be hung. I don't think that is on the girl as the consequences of her own free choice.
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Okay, I think this is fair. there is some nuance. Jeffrey Epstein’s youngest age was 14, and my main point was teens, not little children.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Okay, I think this is fair. there is some nuance. Jeffrey Epstein’s youngest age was 14, and my main point was teens, not little children.
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I did mix ages, referring to age 9, and then later age 16. I would say that at least age 16 should be the minimum age of consent, and really, it should be age 18.

I can see that there should be exceptions when young teen girls have sex with their slightly older teen boyfriends, even if they are 15 and 18, but there should be strict limits on this.

When fully adult slimeballs like Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew have sex with a girl under 18 who was pandered to them by a pimp, they should be hung.

I think the legal age of consent should be 18, and only the girl's parents can approve of exceptions. That's not a perfect solution, considering the shortcomings of some parents, but I don't think those slimeballs that screwed young teen girls on Epstein's Island had parental consent.
 
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Thomas More said:
I did mix ages, referring to age 9, and then later age 16. I would say that at least age 16 should be the minimum age of consent, and really, it should be age 18.

I can see that there should be exceptions when young teen girls have sex with their teen boyfriends, even if they are 15 and 18, but there should be strict limits on this.

When fully adult slimeballs like Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew have sex with a girl under 18 who was pandered to them by a pimp, they should be hung.

I think the legal age of consent should be 18, and only the girls parents can approve of exceptions. That's not a perfect solution, considering the shortcomings of some parents, but I don't think those slimeballs that screwed young teen girls on Epstein's Island had parental consent.
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Yeah, they didn’t. The world is a messy place. I think the real undertalked about issue is why are girls having periods at age 9? The answer of course is the food industry, but that’s another can of worms.
 
Cooper said:
Maria Farmer did not lie. Trump moved in very dodgy circles. He was a protege of Roy Cohn, who was a creepy figure, blackmailer, homosexual, and pedo.

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Roy Cohn with a young Donald Trump.

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Oh lord....here we go....wierdo's on reddit also said Roger Stone also was connected.... zero proof of that either.

Trump kicked out Epstein for hitting on a member's daughter at Mara Lago.

There's zero proof that any accusation of him doing any sort of inappropriate sex with a hooker/prostitute/minor ever happened.

Often you also see with people, whom are exposed to significant trauma, that they lose a sense of all the specifics of events. This happens in psychological coping mechanisms.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Unpopular opinion:

Most of these “victims” aren’t even victims. They are biological adults and were given large amounts of money for their “services” (just stay still and don’t resist, such work!). They benefitted in the long run. They’ll be fine.

Obviously it’s illicit but stuff like alcohol does FAAAAR more bad things to society. A couple a rich men liking some jailbait is mere human nature. Biblically is no more a sin than a regular adult man fornicating with an adult girl. Scratch that prostitution is less bad than “free sex.”


This says sl00ts are worse than whores.
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I dont think we can make that statement as though we presume to know anything about the particulars of how these women would up in those circumstances.

Are you imply that a 16 year old cant be groomed and manipulated into this sort of situation? We can say their biological maturity is XYZ but the fact is that societally, we have not held people at that age to the level of responsibility/intellectual maturity of an adult.

Their level of consent with out us knowing whats going on is rather speculative.
 
Get2choppaaa said:
I dont think we can make that statement as though we presume to know anything about the particulars of how these women would up in those circumstances.

Are you imply that a 16 year old cant be groomed and manipulated into this sort of situation? We can say their biological maturity is XYZ but the fact is that societally, we have not held people at that age to the level of responsibility/intellectual maturity of an adult.

Their level of consent with out us knowing whats going on is rather speculative.
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Grooming technically means illegality. So yea, they can be groomed. I just don’t buy the “innocent victims who don’t know what they are doing” narrative.
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
Grooming technically means illegality. So yea, they can be groomed. I just don’t buy the “innocent victims who don’t know what they are doing” narrative.
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Fair... I just dont think we know enough to assess one way or another about the specific victims and we dont know enough about the circumstances of their employment and how everything was ordained from step one.

It is clear that there was grooming and manipulation ..... and ....tons of women get caught up in porn and hooked into it through drugs/manipulation ect.

Its not like they were mask importing hookers from Ukraine and having them be the honey pot traps. Clearly the inner sanctum was focused on young girls.... how they got there... i think we can connect the dots.
 
The British media is still focusing on Prince Andrew.

Yes he is probably the most objectionable royal in the modern era but I think he is a bit of a scapegoat. I would be more interested to learn about the leverage Epstein has over those with the political power to make war.
 
How many "coincidences" before people wake up? This pic is during a 2002 "layover" for refueling en route to Africa on a private Epstein flight. Apparently this girl was the "stewardess" on the flight (complete with standard sweatpants uniform) and Ghislaine insisted she give Clinton a shoulder rub and of course he gleefully accepted. You'd think with all his previous problems he would have said "Hell no, keep that girl away from me." But no, as an untouchable who has inked a deal with The Synagogue Of Satan Clinton has no fear of repercussions for his repetitive, nefarious actions.

Birds of a feather gonna flock together.

Epstein didn't kill himself, The Clinton's did!:alien: Screenshot_20240115_074505_Gallery.webp
 
Shaquilleoatmeal said:
So you’re basing your interpretation off the law, gotcha. Seems silly if you actually break it down. You are basically saying teenagers can’t consent. If a teenager fornicates, they have sinned. If a 4 year old has sex, they didn’t, because 4 year olds don’t know what they are doing even remotely.

Also, I saw you’re agnostic, makes sense. “Adolescence” is a 20th century construct meant to infantilize young adults.”.
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Teenagers can't consent to sex with adults. If a 16 year old has sex with another 16 year old they've both sinned, albeit one that most socially but not spiritually well adjusted people in this day and age commit around that age. That's not the same thing as being groomed into sexually pleasuring some 50 year old pervert.
 
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