The Destruction of Modern Women

[Shaquilleoatmeal]

I think I should make a thread on some of these articles. He's got really good points. I think coming from me that's really something to say, since I've thought and posted so much on all of this stuff for the better part of 8-10 years now. Tell me if you agree or where I'm wrong, or where he's wrong, please. For example:

The Alpha Male Delusion (this is gonna hurt some souls) | NattyOrNot.com

4. Approaching Isn’t Alpha

You read that correctly. The PUAs and the other movements that emerged from the same doctrine are all liars.

They all tell you that approaching women is alpha, but it’s the furthest from the truth. It’s actually beta as hell.

You are massively changing your trajectory to get to her and then you behave in a manner that is supposed to be appealing to HER. You’re creating the entire interaction and maintaining it while she does what? Nod in agreement or disagreement.

So, you’re basically throwing yourself at a woman who then choses whether you’re worth her time or not.

If that isn’t beta, I don’t know what is.

Tell me this. Can you imagine Christiano Ronaldo running day game in the mall?

Seriously? Imagine him running from one woman to the next asking for their phone numbers. Ridiculous right?

But PUAs and other scammers routinely present approaching as alpha so that you brainwash yourself and pay for their nonsense course.

Tell me this. Can you imagine Christiano Ronaldo running day game in the mall?

“Social skills are cope bro, Chad can sit on his couch using Tinder and women will line up to blow him.”

Using extremes of men who can wait for women to approach does not negate the fact that women prefer for men to make the first move and reward men who make the first move.

 

[Blade Runner]

Using extremes of men who can wait for women to approach does not negate the fact that women prefer for men to make the first move and reward men who make the first move.

Yes, but you still didn't counter his point.

If you look deeper, what he's getting at is that what has been lost is that women didn't necessarily "approach" before, but they certainly made it known that they might be interested, and made it easy for guys they were interested in. Now there aren't even quality women to bother approaching, for all reasons we've stated probably 10k times.

 

[Wutang]

If it's been stated 10,000 times what's the point of stating it for the 10,001th time?

 

[Steady Hands]

I mean, it's not satire but it's also not genuine. It's just obvious engagement farming. Whenever you see these women saying these ridiculous things on social media, just be aware that literally every single social media platform rewards people for making ragebait content. You could say "yeah but I could see a modern woman making this with complete sincerity", but come on, now. "You need to have two side hustles" and "It has to be pink?"

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This is a good contribution and reminder.

Most new content online is AI generated, bot produced, fake, misleading, exaggerated, or otherwise manufactured to gain attention, manipulate beliefs, enhance click-throughs, garner comments, and lead to indirect or direct income. So, my default position with any online content is "this may or may not be real, or worth paying attention to".

I've noticed a tendency in some posting behaviour to share screenshots of articles or link to supposed re-posted videos, which seem to be taken at face value. Yet they turn out to be fake or manipulated. Even video can be altered so well these days that it can be hard to verify its authenticity, unless it is posted by the original author themselves. A more humorous take:



Discussion follows under the subheading 'Strength of Evidence' https://christisking.cc/threads/how-can-we-improve-christ-is-king.961/page-9#post-67159

At least guys here don't seem to be falling for the 'friend requests'

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They are definitely privileged. I agree that women need some handicaps and some extra protection, that's reasonable, but our society today goes far beyond what is reasonable and outright makes men second-class citizens in many ways. Being a man is still rad, but a woman can just tell a lie and destroy my life on a whim, and I cannot marry a woman without a sword of Damocles materializing over my head because there is no such thing as a marriage contract anymore and the woman can just leave and steal half of my worldly possessions on a whim.

Women also get all kinds of handouts from the government and from private corporations (the government rewards them for it), and they can easily climb up the ranks on any corporation just by being polite and sleeping around a little. I have personally witnessed cases where a man who has been in the company for years and works like a mule wants a promotion, and instead it's handed to a woman who joined a couple months ago, and everyone knows how she did it and just accepts it as normal.

It's completely ridiculous. It is a travesty that women are even allowed in the workforce, they turn everything into disgusting soap opera type sex drama. They make workplace dynamics absolutely unbearable, and they do it on purpose. They get sick kicks out of watching men tear each other apart for a crumb of their attention. When they aren't being actively malicious for funsies, they are doing things like having a "work husband" despite being married and it's totally depressing to witness. To top it all off, they are consistently highly incomptetent when it comes to any actual work.

I honestly wish women were not allowed in public life at all. I should not have to be subjected to seeing a woman's face or hearing a woman's voice without my consent. I don't hate women, but I definitely find them highly irritating. Whenever there's a woman present, my blood pressure noticeably rises by ~20% and I start seriously thinking about the logistics and viability of chucking it all, moving into a cave and eating various rodents and large insects for sustenance.

I know this thread acts as a place to vent and complain about women. Although I think highlighting bad behaviour from random women (of which there are near infinite examples) is almost always counterproductive, I still can't expect to drop in here and find beautiful poems about fair maidens. That said, if the last paragraph is true, or even merely exaggerated, it is worrying.

I know very little about your background so I will refrain from making firm judgements about you and your situation. You're also not asking a question so I won't give you unsolicited advice about what you should do.

I do hope you are actively working with someone off-line, whether it be a medical/mental health professional, local Father or Christian elder, church group leader, and/or trusted personal connection to protect and enhance your wellbeing, health, and outlook.

You report being young, so you have plenty of time ahead of you, time that could reflect opportunities of growth, change, and expansion. This is a different situation to older men who may tend to benefit more from working on acceptance, stability, and self-transcendence. These are generalisations, though it is particularly concerning to see younger CIK members reveal such pessimism and distress.

Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss something relating to women, relationships, or self development in case you don't want to share it publicly. All the best.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

I know this thread acts as a place to vent and complain about women. Although I think highlighting bad behaviour from random women (of which there are near infinite examples) is almost always counterproductive, I still can't expect to drop in here and find beautiful poems about fair maidens. That said, if the last paragraph is true, or even merely exaggerated, it is worrying.

I know very little about your background so I will refrain from making firm judgements about you and your situation. You're also not asking a question so I won't give you unsolicited advice about what you should do.

I do hope you are actively working with someone off-line, whether it be a medical/mental health professional, local Father or Christian elder, church group leader, and/or trusted personal connection to protect and enhance your wellbeing, health, and outlook.

You report being young, so you have plenty of time ahead of you, time that could reflect opportunities of growth, change, and expansion. This is a different situation to older men who may tend to benefit more from working on acceptance, stability, and self-transcendence. These are generalisations, though it is particularly concerning to see younger CIK members show such pessimism.

Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss something relating to women, relationships, or self development in case you don't want to share it publicly. All the best.

I thought that remark about not wanting to see women's faces or hear their voices "without my consent" was quite obviously tongue-in-cheek. No, I do not despise women. I do not actually have blood pressure problems, and I do not actually want to move into a cave and eat large insects for the rest of my life in order to get away from women. I have multiple women in my life who I care about, and I have never really had any issues getting along with female coworkers.

As for the rest of my comment, I think those were all pretty accurate observations on my part. Women really do get lots and lots of handicaps, advantages and undue power over a man's fate. I really do wish they would stay in the home and out of public life, because they really do just cause too many problems all the time. They really do turn everything in the workplace and in male-dominated social circles into disgusting sex drama and rise through the ranks of any given organization by leveraging their sexuality. Obviously it's not all women and so on, but I'm just talking from my own personal experiences here, this stuff is all extremely common.

In hindsight, that whole post did come off as very bitter, regardless of its contents. I don't think my views on women are wrong, but I definitely do need to temper my bitterness about the whole thing. Psychology is pure quackery, but I do at times discuss such matters with my parish priest, yes. I'm sure I'll stop being so bitter over time as I practice the faith.

 

[Blade Runner]

If it's been stated 10,000 times what's the point of stating it for the 10,001th time?

Why are you posting here then? No one is forcing you to click, or type. Got any suggestions about overseas locations or strategies to find a woman that will actually add to your life (that isn't 3 points lower/fat/ugly)?

I do hope you are actively working with someone off-line, whether it be a medical/mental health professional, local Father or Christian elder, church group leader, and/or trusted personal connection to protect and enhance your wellbeing, health, and outlook.

You report being young, so you have plenty of time ahead of you, time that could reflect opportunities of growth, change, and expansion. This is a different situation to older men who may tend to benefit more from working on acceptance, stability, and self-transcendence. These are generalisations, though it is particularly concerning to see younger CIK members reveal such pessimism and distress.

I've gone all around the internet, asked at churches, inquired with the likes of other members, seen what priests who are generally good/solid men post, etc. What I find in all of them is that there is no real solution, and there isn't going to be, but they are still giving generic and non actionable advice that for me just needs to be "Admit that we've inherited a generation of gynocentric clown world and just become a monk, literally or figuratively". I'd just rather them do that. Don't say, "The women will come around when they see the men are all at church". No, that won't happen for at least 2 decades, and the 20s girls in this society are already porn/phone addicted, and cooked. My feeling is that the older men, especially those who were married from Boomer and Gen Z, are basically indifferent and pie in the sky. Or they know that over time being married is annoying in many ways, but can't or won't say it (publicly certainly). The reason that I find the situation so disingenuous is that especially with EO, we are supposed to be no BS and the Church is the rudder. But we can't even direct or guide, shame or indirectly control (whatever you want to call it) our women and daughters. I've written on this many times before.

By the way, I'm not adjective/emotion X. I think there's a high probability for my skills, trajectory and personality type that in many ways it is a better thing or even a grace or mercy to not be married or have kids, if I end up not getting that. Why? The future is bleak and dealing with women is awful. I see it with my married friends all the time, and have for a couple decades. When you have parents that are worlds beyond moderns in terms of just being normal, or a mom that actually did things for her husband and kids that she should, it's not hard to see why finding someone is hard and marriage (beyond law even, lol!) isn't appetizing.

 

[Douglas Quaid]

Don't say, "The women will come around when they see the men are all at church". No, that won't happen for at least 2 decades, and the 20s girls in this society are already porn/phone addicted, and cooked.

Well they do have a point. If you want to meet a nice woman in the US, the highest odds are at a church and Christian related activities. No place is perfect, but at least these places are trying. The church I go to is full of conservatives, which helps.

You are right that the majority of young women are cooked though. But no point focusing on them.

I've also learned that you have to become a good man to get a good woman too. But the average man is not nearly as far gone as the average woman.

 

[Wutang]

Why are you posting here then? No one is forcing you to click, or type. Got any suggestions about overseas locations or strategies to find a woman that will actually add to your life (that isn't 3 points lower/fat/ugly)?

I am posting to suggest to other members that there isn't really much more value to be derived from posting for the 10,000th time about the reasons how there's a lack of women that fits the criteria of being young, hot, and virginal. If we already know the information on why it's difficult to find women with those traits so well that it's been brought up 10,000 times then I don't know what additional benefit there is to go through the information again. The most probable result from continually dwelling on this issue is to get more angry and bitter.

What benefit is there to post remixed versions of "This corrupted society is tricking virgin hot 18-25 year old women into working careers that they are wasting their peak years (which is 18-25 year olds) only for them to come out the other end as washed-up 35 year olds that are not longer as attractive or fertile as their 18-25 year old counter parts. No one can give me any suggestions on how I can find a hot virgin 18-25 year old women even though in a healthy society a successful accomplished men should have no issue finding a hot 18-25 year old woman. A healthy society should allow for 10 year age gaps so men can successful marry a virgin 18-25 year old women"

As for strategies for getting into marriages with good, virtuous women, I do think there should be more of that. It seems like Steady Hands was offering to talk to you one-on-one about it. Also it seems like you are pretty set on eventually going abroad. You seem to be in better position to do so given what you've said about your financial success previously on this forum so why not be the vanguard and make the attempt and report back? We've had plenty of people on the old forums talk about such journeys but for carnal purposes so it would be a new and useful thing to hear about someone making such a journey but with the goal of a godly marriage rather than for collecting flags.

If you are unwilling to do so than the only other solution is to make peace with being single and accept it as your cross to bear in the same way men from the past had to make piece with disease, war, etc. Making peace in this case would just mean not dwelling on the women/relationship question. Don't be like the MGTOWS from 15 years ago that talked about "going their own way" away from women but then end up spending much of their time obsessing over them online.

 

[Iakobos]

Got any suggestions about overseas locations or strategies to find a woman that will actually add to your life (that isn't 3 points lower/fat/ugly)?

I went abroad and found/married an amazing woman, 8/10, hardworking, intelligent, kind and loving, converted to Christianity, respects my frame. She is not my race and wasn't a virgin but thankfully I am not autistic about those things. I fully credit God for this as I didn't deserve it but I would be happy to share more about how I did this via PM. Forgive me for being direct but to me you seem to get stuck in analysis-paralysis of the situation as a cope which is understandable. But finding a wife is entirely possible if you are willing to do what it takes and to make certain sacrifices.

 

[scorpion]

I think there's a high probability for my skills, trajectory and personality type that in many ways it is a better thing or even a grace or mercy to not be married or have kids

I honestly don't mean this as a dig, but based on your posting history, I think you'd probably be much happier remaining a bachelor. This also goes for guys like IIMT, Douglas Quaid, Australia Sucks and the other regular contributors to this thread. Even from a historical perspective, marriage was simply not meant for every man, and the modern legal contrivance masquerading as marriage in today's Western world is even less universally desirable. And when you say yourself that "dealing with women is awful", this is not exactly a strong endorsement of your own potential as a husband. Even if you go abroad and miraculously find some beautiful, ultra feminine, submissive, virgin 18 year-old Pinay to be your wife, you'll then realize that at the end of the day, she's still a woman and you still have to live with her for the rest of your life. This will necessarily entail a great deal of forbearance on your part, as you have undoubtedly become very stubborn and set in your ways as a middle-aged man. You will then also be forced to endure the considerable sacrifices inherent to fatherhood and being the head of the family. And let there be no doubt or misunderstanding - this is unquestionably a sacrificial role. You will forfeit a considerable amount of your free time, energy and money by being a good father and husband. It is simply not possible to do otherwise, it is inherent to playing that role.

I think a lot of single guys build up a fantasy of marriage in their heads in much the same way that many women build up a fantasy of Chad. Both visions are ultimately delusional. Marriage is not an idyllic existence, it's actually a lot of hard, thankless work on behalf of your wife and children. Does it provide men a sense of purpose and meaning? Absolutely. But it also provides a never-ending source of complaint and resentment if you choose to focus on the downsides. And given the interminably negative tone of this thread and its regular contributors, it's safe to say that none of you are the optimistic lot, and would invariably find much to gripe and complain about if you did find yourselves married. Indeed, I would bet that most of you all would then commence posting in a thread entitled something like, "Miserable married men commiseration thread" and fill it with grumblings about the annoyances and shortcomings of your ungrateful wives and children and how much better life was as a single man.

I am posting to suggest to other members that there isn't really much more value to be derived from posting for the 10,000th time about the reasons how there's a lack of women that fits the criteria of being young, hot, and virginal. If we already know the information on why it's difficult to find women with those traits so well that it's been brought up 10,000 times then I don't know what additional benefit there is to go through the information again. The most probable result from continually dwelling on this issue is to get more angry and bitter.

What benefit is there to post remixed versions of "This corrupted society is tricking virgin hot 18-25 year old women into working careers that they are wasting their peak years (which is 18-25 year olds) only for them to come out the other end as washed-up 35 year olds that are not longer as attractive or fertile as their 18-25 year old counter parts. No one can give me any suggestions on how I can find a hot virgin 18-25 year old women even though in a healthy society a successful accomplished men should have no issue finding a hot 18-25 year old woman. A healthy society should allow for 10 year age gaps so men can successful marry a virgin 18-25 year old women"

As for strategies for getting into marriages with good, virtuous women, I do think there should be more of that. It seems like Steady Hands was offering to talk to you one-on-one about it. Also it seems like you are pretty set on eventually going abroad. You seem to be in better position to do so given what you've said about your financial success previously on this forum so why not be the vanguard and make the attempt and report back? We've had plenty of people on the old forums talk about such journeys but for carnal purposes so it would be a new and useful thing to hear about someone making such a journey but with the goal of a godly marriage rather than for collecting flags.

If you are unwilling to do so than the only other solution is to make peace with being single and accept it as your cross to bear in the same way men from the past had to make piece with disease, war, etc. Making peace in this case would just mean not dwelling on the women/relationship question. Don't be like the MGTOWS from 15 years ago that talked about "going their own way" away from women but then end up spending much of their time obsessing over them online.

This deserves the old RVF "post of the day" emote.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

The problem, and this sort of goes with the "at least I got mine" conservatives, who found a loophole in the system that allows them to be successful, while most others drown in the abyss, is that at the end of the day this will impact everyone. At the end of the day, when a majority of men cannot find good wives and have families, you no longer have civilization, you have a primitive third world hellhole. It may not impact you directly, and if you are really lucky, it may not impact your children, but eventually it will catch up to everyone. As the virus spreads, and more and more men opt out, civilization will crumble.

Imagine if a hot war with Iran does break out. What motivation do most men have to defend this disgusting country? One in which they cannot even have a normal relationship with a woman. Something that was granted to almost all men for all of civilized history. At the end of the day that is simply what civilization is. It is the alpha males, the men with all the power and money making a deal with the beta males, that the beta males can have wives and children and be invested into the society if in return they work and produce and follow the laws. It is a fair deal that women's equality has destroyed. And with it then goes the motivation for men to do anything in return.

And it is going to come to this collapse. The east is getting stronger, the west is falling part, eventually something big is going to happen and the satanic elites are going to demand the average man jump up and fight and die to defend this disaster. And those men are not going to do it, and rightfully so, wo where does that leave everyone?

I do agree with @scorpion some men are better off staying single until they can find themselves. I got this same advice in my early 20's by an older and honest person. They said if money was that big of a concern to me that I should just work weekends, forget about women, and focus on that until I had enough money to feel secure enough to later focus on women. Nearly 25 years down the road, I am still working on it. And that was the best advice, because had I jumped into a marriage, even with a good woman, it would have been rocky at best. And since college, I haven't seen many good women. There were tons of them in college, but I didn't know where my life was heading. I think I did make the best choice for me, given the circumstances, and scorpion's advice is correct to do so. But bigger picture, this situation will impact everyone here and their children more so.

The solution, obviously we just wait and watch things get worse until there is eventually some pushback and we can get rid of the women's equality nonsense. I just don't see that happening for a long time, then again, keep an eye on the Middle East and BRICS. Until then, I say follow the path best for you, and often the first and longest step is financial security so at least you are not dependent on a job and the job market and layoffs to sustain your comfortable standard of living. For those who are married, then be prepared, you are far from out of the woods because when this thing does collapse, you will feel the full brunt just as much as everyone else.

 

[FrancisK]

I honestly don't mean this as a dig, but based on your posting history, I think you'd probably be much happier remaining a bachelor. This also goes for guys like IIMT, Douglas Quaid, Australia Sucks and the other regular contributors to this thread. Even from a historical perspective, marriage was simply not meant for every man, and the modern legal contrivance masquerading as marriage in today's Western world is even less universally desirable. And when you say yourself that "dealing with women is awful", this is not exactly a strong endorsement of your own potential as a husband. Even if you go abroad and miraculously find some beautiful, ultra feminine, submissive, virgin 18 year-old Pinay to be your wife, you'll then realize that at the end of the day, she's still a woman and you still have to live with her for the rest of your life. This will necessarily entail a great deal of forbearance on your part, as you have undoubtedly become very stubborn and set in your ways as a middle-aged man. You will then also be forced to endure the considerable sacrifices inherent to fatherhood and being the head of the family. And let there be no doubt or misunderstanding - this is unquestionably a sacrificial role. You will forfeit a considerable amount of your free time, energy and money by being a good father and husband. It is simply not possible to do otherwise, it is inherent to playing that role.

I think a lot of single guys build up a fantasy of marriage in their heads in much the same way that many women build up a fantasy of Chad. Both visions are ultimately delusional. Marriage is not an idyllic existence, it's actually a lot of hard, thankless work on behalf of your wife and children. Does it provide men a sense of purpose and meaning? Absolutely. But it also provides a never-ending source of complaint and resentment if you choose to focus on the downsides. And given the interminably negative tone of this thread and its regular contributors, it's safe to say that none of you are the optimistic lot, and would invariably find much to gripe and complain about if you did find yourselves married. Indeed, I would bet that most of you all would then commence posting in a thread entitled something like, "Miserable married men commiseration thread" and fill it with grumblings about the annoyances and shortcomings of your ungrateful wives and children and how much better life was as a single man.


This deserves the old RVF "post of the day" emote.

I agree with this completely, there is a massive difference between "I don't like the lack of morals in modern western women" and "all women are dumb insufferable whores" which is the common daily theme in all these threads.

I come from a family tree full of women that are exactly what you guys are looking for and I wouldn't let them marry any of you who sit here and complain about women all day. Who would want their daughter, sister, cousin, whatever, a good woman, to spend the rest of their lives with someone like that? You guys need to make some changes to your common attitude towards all of this otherwise just get used to being single. The women you are after come from cultures where you need family approval among many other factors, believe me you guys are not going to get that approval or meet that criteria.....for multiple reason. I think many of you simply don't understand what you're in for in regards to what you're going after....

 

[Douglas Quaid]

The title of this thread is called "The Destruction of Modern Women". Obviously this is the place to vent about negative experiences with women. We can and should create a new thread about positive experiences with women too, and where to meet them.

Some of the happiest men I've met are married to wonderful wives and have lots of children. They are happy because they chose the right woman. Some of the most miserable men I've met are also married, because they chose the wrong woman. I would hope most men would rather be single than put up with that.

I understand that marriage takes sacrifice, but it does not need to be a constant struggle of putting up with unpleasant and childish behavior either. Nowadays many women are behaving like that before marriage and just giving you a glimpse into what married life with them will be like. Some men have a much higher tolerance level for that, no doubt.

My brother got tired of American women, moved to Vietnam, married a local woman and his wife does not make his life hell at all. He has never been happier. I would rather stick it out here and keep learning through trial and error, and building confidence. Every man has his own way of doing things.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

I honestly don't mean this as a dig, but based on your posting history, I think you'd probably be much happier remaining a bachelor. This also goes for guys like IIMT, Douglas Quaid, Australia Sucks and the other regular contributors to this thread. Even from a historical perspective, marriage was simply not meant for every man, and the modern legal contrivance masquerading as marriage in today's Western world is even less universally desirable. And when you say yourself that "dealing with women is awful", this is not exactly a strong endorsement of your own potential as a husband. Even if you go abroad and miraculously find some beautiful, ultra feminine, submissive, virgin 18 year-old Pinay to be your wife, you'll then realize that at the end of the day, she's still a woman and you still have to live with her for the rest of your life. This will necessarily entail a great deal of forbearance on your part, as you have undoubtedly become very stubborn and set in your ways as a middle-aged man. You will then also be forced to endure the considerable sacrifices inherent to fatherhood and being the head of the family. And let there be no doubt or misunderstanding - this is unquestionably a sacrificial role. You will forfeit a considerable amount of your free time, energy and money by being a good father and husband. It is simply not possible to do otherwise, it is inherent to playing that role.

I think a lot of single guys build up a fantasy of marriage in their heads in much the same way that many women build up a fantasy of Chad. Both visions are ultimately delusional. Marriage is not an idyllic existence, it's actually a lot of hard, thankless work on behalf of your wife and children. Does it provide men a sense of purpose and meaning? Absolutely. But it also provides a never-ending source of complaint and resentment if you choose to focus on the downsides. And given the interminably negative tone of this thread and its regular contributors, it's safe to say that none of you are the optimistic lot, and would invariably find much to gripe and complain about if you did find yourselves married. Indeed, I would bet that most of you all would then commence posting in a thread entitled something like, "Miserable married men commiseration thread" and fill it with grumblings about the annoyances and shortcomings of your ungrateful wives and children and how much better life was as a single man.


This deserves the old RVF "post of the day" emote.

My parents' marriage is very much idyllic. They've never had a shouting match let alone a fight, because whenever they have a disagreement, they are both readily willing to yield for the sake of the other. This is because my mother is an excellent woman. She is his helper and not an obstacle or a hazard, and they honor each other. His work is far from thankless. She happily does so much for him. Of course, it's not like the two of them don't have flaws, but they forgive each other's flaws.

I really don't think such a marriage is an unreasonable thing to want. I know it's possible because I grew up witnessing it. I think I do have what it takes to build such a marriage, including a lot of patience and diligence and so on, as my parents know how they did it and they prepared me well for repeating it. The problem is that I cannot find a woman who has what it takes to ever be to me what my mother is to my father. I see other men's marriages, and they are definitely challenging. They are painful. They are thankless. I don't want that. If that's "delusional", then I will happily die single.

 

[Wutang]

I think a lot of single guys build up a fantasy of marriage in their heads in much the same way that many women build up a fantasy of Chad. Both visions are ultimately delusional. Marriage is not an idyllic existence, it's actually a lot of hard, thankless work on behalf of your wife and children. Does it provide men a sense of purpose and meaning? Absolutely. But it also provides a never-ending source of complaint and resentment if you choose to focus on the downsides. And given the interminably negative tone of this thread and its regular contributors, it's safe to say that none of you are the optimistic lot, and would invariably find much to gripe and complain about if you did find yourselves married. Indeed, I would bet that most of you all would then commence posting in a thread entitled something like, "Miserable married men commiseration thread" and fill it with grumblings about the annoyances and shortcomings of your ungrateful wives and children and how much better life was as a single man.

A while back I re-posted a couple of posts from Hermetic Seal (with his permission) where he was talking about the major issues he was having with his marriage. I did not do it so we could all gawk at him but because I wanted to use it as a warning/teaching moment of what could be awaiting a lot of the guys that are super set on getting their unicorn wife. Here it is again:

Post in thread 'Marriage / Established Relationships'

Jan 5, 2025

Moving this discussion from the Lent 2024 thread to here since it was getting off topic:


…Needless to say, I'm tempted basically constantly to be irritated with my wife for a whole host of things.

Since I wrote this post, everything has just kept getting worse. It feels like our whole family is right at the breaking point where everything is going to explode.

I’m at the point where I simply can’t stand my family anymore, every day I think about how I regret marrying my wife, she and the two kids irritate the heck out of me most of the time, and general day to day life is...

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I'll say the same as I did before, I can't help but think this is going to be what the result of some of the guys on this forum managing to get their dream girl if they are able to get her. A lot of the wife hunter types that we see in this thread don't really seem like they would enjoy hanging out with a woman outside of having sex with her (with one poster even suggesting that he would try to avoid being around the house too much so he could avoid the woman that he put so much into finding) so it seems they are likely going to be in a scenario like the one Hermetic Seal is describing in his posts.

 

[stadtaffe]

I am posting to suggest to other members that there isn't really much more value to be derived from posting for the 10,000th time about the reasons how there's a lack of women that fits the criteria of being young, hot, and virginal.

Exactly, this thread is well past its use by date.

And what is wrong with these characters demanding virgins while the rest of us are happy to settle for low mileage. I rarely make this accusation, but there is something autistic about this virgin obsession the way certain people here describe it.

I honestly don't mean this as a dig, but based on your posting history, I think you'd probably be much happier remaining a bachelor. This also goes for guys like IIMT, Douglas Quaid, Australia Sucks and the other regular contributors to this thread.

You tell'm!!

STFU and stop blowing out hot air and spreading negativity.

Imagine if a hot war with Iran does break out. What motivation do most men have to defend this disgusting country? One in which they cannot even have a normal relationship with a woman.

You are completely right, the social contract is broken, it is worse for men than it used to be, but it still does not justify these guys blowing out hot air into this thread ad nauseum instead of doing something to change their situation.

I agree with this completely, there is a massive difference between "I don't like the lack of morals in modern western women" and "all women are dumb insufferable whores" which is the common daily theme in all these threads.

The regular posters in the thread have clearly got something incurably wrong with themselves.

Be it ugliness, being overweight, having a messed up attitude, having no game, or ultimately just choosing complaining over having a woman in their lives.

It's not modern women who are the problem it's them! And the rest of us try not to watch them rant and rave in here like lunatics.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

You are completely right, the social contract is broken, it is worse for men than it used to be, but it still does not justify these guys blowing out hot air into this thread ad nauseum instead of doing something to change their situation with women like the rest of us!

Well, this is my point. For me personally, I long ago accepted that the social contract was broken, that most women in the USA are not marriage material, and that my goal would be to make enough money to get out of the USA and move some place where I could find a good woman. In fact, that is why I joined the Roosh forum in August of 2013, for this specific purpose. All sorts of guys there traveling overseas to meet women, and I joined with the intention of learning from these men, and in due time traveling myself.

I had a good friend, who spoke 8 languages, and was a total passport "bro". 20 years older than me, and he was the first to clue me into all of this back in 2000. He passed away in May of 2013 and I searched and found the Roosh forum to keep the dream alive. But deep down I knew I had to have financial freedom first. Moving, or even traveling to another country for weeks at a time requires a state of some kind of financial independence. So, that was my first focus, and I recommend all men to focus on this if they cannot find a good wife here. Unfortunately, it has taken longer than expected. Of course I could not foresee the economy getting this bad, but I am getting close to my goal. At my age, my sex drive is very low, so I am in no hot desire to find someone. I am not even sure now if I would go overseas or just look here, to be honest, due to the lack of young men who can provide for a wife, I have noticed a lot of young women coming at me pretty hard. When they find out my age, they seem more attracted. I have no idea if any of them would make good wives, I am focused on my goal.

But my point is, I don't see this as "negativity", I see it as a massive warning bell. Are the men who come here to talk about this subject perfect? No. But they are good men, and they deserve a fair shake from society, and they are not getting that. It isn't negativity, it is just the reality many young men face. The social contract of allowing young men wives and children is largely broken and this bodes very badly for all of us. It must be fixed to have a secure future for all of us. My prediction is things will get a lot worse and instead of viewing these comments as negativity, I view them as a very fair warning of bad things to come for all members of a broken society.

 

[Unending Powerhouse Match]

And what is wrong with these characters demanding virgins while the rest of us are happy to settle for low mileage. I rarely make this accusation, but there is something autistic about this virgin obsession the way certain people here describe it.

It's a matter of personal preference. There are many very large advantages to marrying a virgin, which I won't go into, but the information is not hard to find. You can call people names as much as you want, but the fact of the matter is that single women who fornicated even once were nigh-universally considered unmarriageable for most of human history, and some men are going to stick to those ancient standards, which were to a large extent still very active in society up until only two generations ago.

doing something to change their situation with women like the rest of us!

What to do to improve your situation is one of the main things people discuss on this thread, though.

Be it ugliness, being overweight, having a messed up attitude, having no game, or ultimately just choosing complaining over having a woman in their lives.

Lots of baseless name-calling here.

It's not modern women who are the problem it's them! And the rest of us try not to watch them rant and rave in here like lunatics.

You "try" not to watch? You went out of your way to click into this thread. What's the matter with you? What's even the point of posting this? You speak as if you're just someone who has it all figured out and is trying to correct unruly children out of the kindness of your heart, but you clearly just want to call people names. Wagging your finger down at grown men from your high horse makes you feel big, I'm sure. Go get yourself a better hobby, mister.

 

[Blade Runner]

I've also learned that you have to become a good man to get a good woman too. But the average man is not nearly as far gone as the average woman.

Obviously. And again, yes. A lot of times when the naysayers come out and opine on the thread (if it's stupid, why are you posting here?), they mischaracterize people and positions. It happens nearly every time in fact, when there is a significant back and forth, like here today.

As for strategies for getting into marriages with good, virtuous women, I do think there should be more of that.

And I agree.

She is not my race and wasn't a virgin but thankfully I am not autistic about those things.

That's a funny way to put it. This is what I would guess for most (we don't know each other, so it's not a knock), though, given the reality on the ground.

I honestly don't mean this as a dig, but based on your posting history, I think you'd probably be much happier remaining a bachelor.

Not taken as one. I appreciated your post and liked it.

And when you say yourself that "dealing with women is awful", this is not exactly a strong endorsement of your own potential as a husband.

This is where you go astray from any real point, or read too much into text, as FrancisK does, since you guys like being my nemeses for various reasons. A general statement is just that, and it's flat out true, so potential as a husband only means in this day and age that I'm 1) not a pussy and 2) expect something from a woman, not just demands, talking and anxiety. There are women like that, but mostly they are from previous generations. Read that 5 times, please. You too, Francis.

It may not impact you directly, and if you are really lucky, it may not impact your children, but eventually it will catch up to everyone. As the virus spreads, and more and more men opt out, civilization will crumble.

Absolutely.

I agree with this completely, there is a massive difference between "I don't like the lack of morals in modern western women" and "all women are dumb insufferable whores" which is the common daily theme in all these threads.

That's not what was said. Again, mischaracterization which doesn't help - especially when you invade a thread and comment on how you don't like it. It's sorta childish, and you do this often, Francis.

I come from a family tree full of women that are exactly what you guys are looking for and I wouldn't let them marry any of you who sit here and complain about women all day.

You know nothing about any of us.

My parents' marriage is very much idyllic.

And that was also my point, which apparently some don't understand. I don't know I'd use the word, and my parents certainly yelled at each other, but I was raised as well as anyone could be, to be quite honest.

 

[FrancisK]

Obviously. And again, yes. A lot of times when the naysayers come out and opine on the thread (if it's stupid, why are you posting here?), they mischaracterize people and positions. It happens nearly every time in fact, when there is a significant back and forth, like here today.

And I agree.

That's a funny way to put it. This is what I would guess for most (we don't know each other, so it's not a knock), though, given the reality on the ground.

Not taken as one. I appreciated your post and liked it.

This is where you go astray from any real point, or read too much into text, as FrancisK does, since you guys like being my nemeses for various reasons. A general statement is just that, and it's flat out true, so potential as a husband only means in this day and age that I'm 1) not a pussy and 2) expect something from a woman, not just demands, talking and anxiety. There are women like that, but mostly they are from previous generations. Read that 5 times, please. You too, Francis.

Absolutely.

That's not what was said. Again, mischaracterization which doesn't help - especially when you invade a thread and comment on how you don't like it. It's sorta childish, and you do this often, Francis.

You know nothing about any of us.

And that was also my point, which apparently some don't understand. I don't know I'd use the word, and my parents certainly yelled at each other, but I was raised as well as anyone could be, to be quite honest.

I'm your "nemesis"? Dude you okay?