The China Thread

FrancisK said:
Heading to China next month, anyone interested in anything specific while I'm there? I'll post again closer to the trip....
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I am curious how many places still accept payments in cash or by handing over a simple western credit card WITHOUT using a smartphone, and how complicated you find setting up the Chinese apps you will forced to use to pay for most things.

Also, people let us know if you speak any Cantonese or Mandarin, as you have a huge advantage over most other people if that's the case.
 
Caduceus said:
I am curious how many places still accept payments in cash or by handing over a simple western credit card WITHOUT using a smartphone, and how complicated you find setting up the Chinese apps you will forced to use to pay for most things.

Also, people let us know if you speak any Cantonese or Mandarin, as you have a huge advantage over most other people if that's the case.
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You got it brother.

Don't speak any Chinese at all, going there for business and I'm sure they'll be up our asses constantly with an interpreter as nobody kisses ass like the Chinese chasing an American dollar...
 
FrancisK said:
You got it brother.

Don't speak any Chinese at all, going there for business and I'm sure they'll be up our asses constantly with an interpreter as nobody kisses ass like the Chinese chasing an American dollar...
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How is that in Japan (if you know)?
 
Caduceus said:
I have posted my detailed reasons for China not being a good place to live after 2020 in this thread 1 page back in post numbers and 72, 77, 79 and 80, and on this page upthread in posts 82, 85, and 89.
Have a look at those posts.

I will add to this that back on the Roosh forum we had a member named "Suits" who had lived in China for almost a decade, and despite being a white western man, had actually learned to speak Mandarin while working there. Even he left China around 2022 despite having built a life and career there, because things had changed too much for the worse.
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"Suits" was a hardcore neoliberal so perhaps the geopolitical aspect with China rubbed on him. Also he was in the hospitality industry there IIRC, which kind of collapsed with covid.

It seems like China is a good place to live if you have a local manufacturing/sourcing/export business or if you are a retiree with a local woman/wife. Compared to Latin America, China is safer, more stable, more first world but still lower cost, though the cultural barrier is higher if you're not Asian.
 
I think Suits had some sort of business that he was setting up there? I remember him writing about that on another forum that I won't mention here (though I haven't checked the forum since COVID started) and it seemed like something wasn't just some local small business but could be scaled up. I had no idea he actually had left the country.
 
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Just bumped into this thread. The vid in the 1st post had a good start, I wish it had continued on that path beyond the Boxer Rebellion to how the Qing dinasty - instated apparently by the very same people who got rid of it in the 1910s - fell after the last emperor was selected while still being a 4-year-old child, iirc.

Such a fascinating country with a culture that dates back millennia, all wiped out by communism and constant materialist brainwashing. Been there in 2018, not sure I'd like to go back though.
 
Caduceus said:
I am curious how many places still accept payments in cash or by handing over a simple western credit card WITHOUT using a smartphone, and how complicated you find setting up the Chinese apps you will forced to use to pay for most things.

Also, people let us know if you speak any Cantonese or Mandarin, as you have a huge advantage over most other people if that's the case.
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Legally, they are required to take paper cash if your smart phone isn't working. I still have paper RMB from my visits last year in case that would ever happen.

You might get push back from vendors though - and it'll look like they're outright refusing if you don't understand the local language.

 
Maddox said:
I had no idea how bad the drinking culture is over there. Everything is done to "save face."

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The situation in the rest of east Asia is far worse than in China because while the graduates' salaries are also very low, their costs are higher than in China. Here is a report from Taiwan:



Recent graduates are earning $600-800 per month, spending half of that on renting small rooms in shared apartments in the suburbs with daily commute times of up to 3 hours. For the price of a small room with no window in a shared apt in a bad location in Taiwan, you can rent a large furnished 3-bedroom apt in a major Chinese city.

Some as in this video about youth struggling in Taiwan are moonlighting as dishwashers and food deliverers to make ends meet, and have no savings or path to home ownership. They also have high student debts to repay.

The difference with China is that housing is kept dirt cheap by state policies that keep housing supply high and construction costs low, education is free, transport is dirt cheap and efficient with subway lines and high speed rail, food and utilities are also very cheap. Whereas in Taiwan or S. Korea, young graduates are stuck between low wage and high cost of living, the majority of them are struggling with debt. That kind of usury is not part of the problem in China.

Same issues in S. Korea, that is the reason their birth rates are crashing:

 
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magoo said:
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Part of the original problem is that street food in China is dirt cheap, you can have a full meal for the equivalent of $1 or $2.

Apparently they have solved this problem by recycling this gutter oil as aviation biofuel, that is in high demand in the West and east Asia because of environmental regulations:



I'm sure you've heard about China's infamous 'gutter oil' - waste cooking oil recovered from sewers that used to cause major food safety scandals. Well, it has unexpectedly become one of China's most sought-after exports and, incredibly, it's now more expensive than brand new palm oil and soybean oil!The reason? Aviation biofuel. As it turns out, used cooking oil can be transformed into Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF), which reduces carbon emissions by up to 85% compared to traditional jet fuel. This has made it incredibly valuable: the domestic price for gutter oil has soared to over 8,000 yuan (>$1,100) per ton!
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China now exports around 1.82 million tons of used cooking oil annually, leading global exports. The U.S. alone uses more than 282,000 barrels per day and imported over 1.36 million tons from China last year.
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The international demand is so intense that domestic industry players in China are now pushing for export restrictions, as their own domestic demand for SAF already far exceeds the country's production capacity. It's quite the transformation: from public health hazard to strategic resource. In fact funnily a problem that China now faces is that some producers are now accused of "contaminating" gutter oil with cheaper palm oil to improve margins, when just a few years ago suspected "contaminations" were the exact opposite way around
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All in all, it's a perfect case study in sustainable problem-solving: rather than endlessly playing whack-a-mole with illegal gutter oil vendors, finding a more profitable legitimate use has naturally solved the health risk while creating environmental benefits. The lesson is simple: when the legal use becomes more profitable than the illegal one, enforcement becomes unnecessary.
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It_Is_My_Time said:
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That's not a 'fighter jet' in the pure definition of one, more like a medium-range strike bomber, likely geared towards air-to-sea operations, similar in concept to the late F-111, F-117, or current SU-34. This likely supplants the absolutely ancient H-6. Its big and heavy (twin-wheel main gear bogies).

This would also be the second sixth-generation aircraft to take flight, so a legit great achievement for China. Whether or not it is the first 6th-gen aircraft in service depends on if it beats the B-21 into active service.

Very interesting to see the development path their aircraft take now that they've matured beyond modernized copies of old Soviet airframes and direct copies of American designs and are working on more indigenous creations like this.
 
TruckDriver9 said:
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The greatest weapon China has is western Whites being destroyed by the satanic elites and DEI policies that have crippled their competition in the west.

Makes me wonder, if Germany had won WW2, would we have a cure for cancer? Would we have self driving/fly cars? Would we be able to live to over 100 and watch our great great grandchildren grow up, and fly around the world at little expense to experience the great wonders of life and share them with our families. All, instead of working 60 hours a week so a bunch of third worlder's can move in and tear down our monuments and spit on our ancestors.

If the Chinese accomplished this, imagine what Europeans could have built by now had they been able to run their own countries and not be bombarded with biological weapons from the third world.

Many of the people that I know from China are now considering or at least wishing, they could move back. I can't blame them, China has a future, the west does not without a major pushback and that pushback likely wouldn't involve non-Europeans being allowed to stay. And they are smart enough to realize this.
 
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Caduceus said:
I have posted my detailed reasons for China not being a good place to live after 2020 in this thread 1 page back in post numbers and 72, 77, 79 and 80, and on this page upthread in posts 82, 85, and 89.
Have a look at those posts.

I will add to this that back on the Roosh forum we had a member named "Suits" who had lived in China for almost a decade, and despite being a white western man, had actually learned to speak Mandarin while working there. Even he left China around 2022 despite having built a life and career there, because things had changed too much for the worse.
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How is Suits? You keep in contact with him?
 
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