The China Thread

[PurpleUrkel]

It is a great reminder, or beginning of red pill thinking for normies, of how nice our life could be without the third world moving in and running everything into the ground.

"The third world moving in" is a double edged sword in the USA. It sucks to see your country change so quickly demographically in your lifetime. But then again I/we sat there and watched it happen and did nothing. Why did we do nothing? Because low IQ foreign workers doing sh*t jobs (animal slaughtering and meat packing in particular) freed white high school graduates up in the 1980s and 1990s to pursue high(er) paying unionized trade jobs and college degrees while the jews got suckers from Latin America to do our low paid dirty work for pennies on the dollar. So we contributed to the current situation by "letting things slide" because we were getting something out of the JQ browning of America. We are, in part, to blame for our own replacement as we fell for jewish economic luxuries because it eased the burden of "turn the tables on the money lenders," Christian suffering. In short, we followed jewish fiscal principles for a quick buck, thus taking the easy way out, and now we are reaping what we have sown.

This coupled with white America having a very solid electric grid with very few interruptions over the last 40 years lulled white people to sleep. Throughout the 80s and 90s we stood by and watched convenience stores and hotels across America being slowly gobbled up by panjeets, we saw (and patronized) Chinese and Mexican restaurants in every small town and backwater of America that were owned and operated by illegals and did nothing. So how can we complain now? We did this to ourselves and we are now too afraid of the jew owned Big Brother US Government to use organized violence to rectify this self-inflicted situation. I mean, I suppose I must agree with you at this point, "We can't vote our way out of this mess." At this point there's only one way to put this genie back in the bottle and it ain't pretty.

This thread really brings out the crazies on both sides (pro and anti China).

Personally, if I was rich, I would like very much to spend time in China. It has a great history and many things people say are true (good food, beautiful nature, rich history, amazing cities and culture, etc.). I myself was "this close" to moving there at one time to teach English, surf (yes, there is surfing in China), and to work on getting some "inventions" of mine manufactured there, so I am not 100% "anti-China." What I'm against is promoting the idea(s) that America is quickly dying and that China (and Russia) are rising and will soon take over the world leaving America broke in the form of a third world shithole. It's just pure magical thinking from Westerners who are romanticizing The East. Every place has it's problems and when someone only highlights the good aspects of a place (or person) and rufutes even the slightest criticism with passionate zealotry, then that person's stance and rationale deserve to be (and should be) challenged.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

"The third world moving in" is a double edged sword in the USA. It sucks to see your country change so quickly demographically in your lifetime. But then again I/we sat there and watched it happen and did nothing. Why did we do nothing? Because low IQ foreign workers doing sh*t jobs (animal slaughtering and meat packing in particular) freed white high school graduates up in the 1980s and 1990s to pursue high(er) paying unionized trade jobs and college degrees while the jews got suckers from Latin America to do our low paid dirty work for pennies on the dollar. So we contributed to the current situation by "letting things slide" because we were getting something out of the JQ browning of America. We are, in part, to blame for our own replacement as we fell for jewish economic luxuries because it eased the burden of "turn the tables on the money lenders," Christian suffering. In short, we followed jewish fiscal principles for a quick buck, thus taking the easy way out, and now we are reaping what we have sown.

This coupled with white America having a very solid electric grid with very few interruptions over the last 40 years lulled white people to sleep. Throughout the 80s and 90s we stood by and watched convenience stores and hotels across America being slowly gobbled up by panjeets, we saw (and patronized) Chinese and Mexican restaurants in every small town and backwater of America that were owned and operated by illegals and did nothing. So how can we complain now? We did this to ourselves and we are now too afraid of the jew owned Big Brother US Government to use organized violence to rectify this self-inflicted situation. I mean, I suppose I must agree with you at this point, "We can't vote our way out of this mess." At this point there's only one way to put this genie back in the bottle and it ain't pretty.

I agree with you, which is why seeing China pass us by is a good thing, it allows people who think "well we are still the best" or "things are still good" realize that these statements are not true and start to accept they will have to do something besides watch TV and eat junk food.

A lot of Americans are coddled and have no idea what real struggle is or how good they have it and how quickly it is disappearing. Waking them up to these realities is step one.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Yeah sure, with surveillance cameras everywhere and almost all new cars having cameras and radars, somehow I doubt that there is much of that going on there these days.

The surveillance cameras greatly decreased the practice of drivers who bumped into cyclists and pedestrians then reversed over them in order to kill them because the payout was less, but did little to retard fake victims because they could bribe locals who would tolerate that kind of grift, but not on-camera-murder quite as much.

Despite the cameras, in 2010 in a large city in Hebei, after a driver killed someone with his car, he arrogantly proclaimed, on camera, that his father was chief of police, implying he was untouchable. There was backlash, the father denounced the kid and he was prosecuted, but that tactic usually works. In a smaller city, you could easily get away with the murder of a classmate if they were not connected and your family was. It's called guanxi.

Sterzel should try harder, the State Department is not getting its money's worth. Maybe I should cut him some slack, as the pickings are pretty slim these days, judging from the China hater channel he's quoting above. Here are the last 5 entries on that channel https://x.com/xibaozi36064237 :

-A clump of fresh concrete fell in a construction site somewhere in China!
-A leaky roof is leaking in an airport somewhere in China!
-An argument in a crowded subway car between a middle aged woman and some dude somewhere in China!
-A subway train has reportedly stopped or malfunctioned somewhere in China!
-A guy is growing edible mushrooms in a garage somewhere in China!

If those are the worse things he could report on in a country of 1.4 billion people, I'd say things aren't going terribly bad for them.

On any given day in southern California where Sterzel lives, you can find a whole lot worse - homicides, gangbangers, outright riots with thousands of people, crazed homeless by the hundreds, muggings, non-existent infrastructure, arguments devolving into stabbings etc.

You treat these as anomalies and outliers that co-exist adjacent to things like Shanghai, China's high speed rail, and other apparent success stories, but we who've lived there know the problems featured in the videos are the norm and only represent the easily captured, and are not over-emphasized, just as the problems in the USA are many and not over-emphasized.

The pengci (fake victim) problem in China was rampant when I lived there despite the cameras. One of my foreign friends in Guangzhou was scammed, but in really big cities it doesn't work as well and the cops refused the local's claim.

However, around the same time, about 2015, Laowhy86's/Matthew Tye's Canadian buddy got scammed in nearby Huizhou. He was riding an e-bike and touched some old woman. She immediately did a soccer flop, his passport was seized, and he had to pay 30,000 RMB although she did not even have a bruise.

Many foreigners have been scammed after minor altercations with locals, who then claim a bloody nose and want $10K, so the foreigner gets an exit ban until they pay up.

Here are two that occurred and got into the papers while I was there, but there were many others I heard about.

America has its problems and China is improving, but it's hell on earth more than anywhere.

Noak Jonsson, 18 y.o., Sweden 2013
30 days in jail for some shoving outside a bar, then 11 months stuck in Beijing without passport, missed his college scholarship back home.

http://blogs.wsj.com/expat/2015/03/06/a-bar-tussle-ends-in-a-beijing-jail-a-young-expats-story/

https://archive.fo/rVENU

American in Shenzhen 2008
Was attacked by a group of bitchy Cantonese at a sidewalk cafe, then refused to pay them damages after he defended himself, resulting in eight months in jail.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure/act-one-0

 

[Cooper]

The surveillance cameras greatly decreased the practice of drivers who bumped into cyclists and pedestrians then reversed over them in order to kill them because the payout was less, but did little to retard fake victims because they could bribe locals who would tolerate that kind of grift, but not on-camera-murder quite as much.

Despite the cameras, in 2010 in a large city in Hebei, after a driver killed someone with his car, he arrogantly proclaimed, on camera, that his father was chief of police, implying he was untouchable. There was backlash, the father denounced the kid and he was prosecuted, but that tactic usually works. In a smaller city, you could easily get away with the murder of a classmate if they were not connected and your family was. It's called guanxi.

You treat these as anomalies and outliers that co-exist adjacent to things like Shanghai, China's high speed rail, and other apparent success stories, but we who've lived there know the problems featured in the videos are the norm and only represent the easily captured, and are not over-emphasized, just as the problems in the USA are many and not over-emphasized.

The pengci (fake victim) problem in China was rampant when I lived there despite the cameras. One of my foreign friends in Guangzhou was scammed, but in really big cities it doesn't work as well and the cops refused the local's claim.

However, around the same time, about 2015, Laowhy86's/Matthew Tye's Canadian buddy got scammed in nearby Huizhou. He was riding an e-bike and touched some old woman. She immediately did a soccer flop, his passport was seized, and he had to pay 30,000 RMB although she did not even have a bruise.

Many foreigners have been scammed after minor altercations with locals, who then claim a bloody nose and want $10K, so the foreigner gets an exit ban until they pay up.

Here are two that occurred and got into the papers while I was there, but there were many others I heard about.

America has its problems and China is improving, but it's hell on earth more than anywhere.

Noak Jonsson, 18 y.o., Sweden 2013
30 days in jail for some shoving outside a bar, then 11 months stuck in Beijing without passport, missed his college scholarship back home.

http://blogs.wsj.com/expat/2015/03/06/a-bar-tussle-ends-in-a-beijing-jail-a-young-expats-story/

https://archive.fo/rVENU

American in Shenzhen 2008
Was attacked by a group of bitchy Cantonese at a sidewalk cafe, then refused to pay them damages after he defended himself, resulting in eight months in jail.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/448/adventure/act-one-0

If you get written up in the papers just for being thrown in the can after a fight with locals, you're in pretty good shape. In most countries around the world (most of Latin America for starts) your life would be in danger in such incidents. And in the West, you could easily get maimed or even killed for getting into a fight with Tyrone or Ahmed.

I know several expats in China, including one who has been in Shenzhen for 20 years, who feels that his family is safer there for him and his kids than in Toronto, where he's from. It's also less taxing to live over there on a day to day basis, where you have virtually no pickpockets, muggings, bike thefts or people getting in your face for looking at them the wrong way.

 

[KulturedKaveman]

What I'm against is promoting the idea(s) that America is quickly dying and that China (and Russia) are rising and will soon take over the world leaving America broke in the form of a third world shithole. It's just pure magical thinking from Westerners who are romanticizing The East. Every place has it's problems and when someone only highlights the good aspects of a place (or person) and rufutes even the slightest criticism with passionate zealotry, then that person's stance and rationale deserve to be (and should be) challenged.

America is alive and well. We iust got problems now like anywhere else now. This is a far cry from the Shangri La blah blah blah end of history in the 90s. US, is the best of the Anglosphere if we’re honest.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

People are not really explaining this properly. It's basically smart cities, a very popular "concept" in Asia.

It can range from a neighborhood to a whole city where the infrastructure is good, there are strict city ordinances, and good tech integration. It's what you see on those fancy travel vlogs where they pretend to be upper class. The usual look at my condo and watch me pay for my shuttle car with a smart watch type of BS. It's a real thing, it costs money to build and it can be convenient for a minority of people. It's a neighborhood/district trying to be a gated community.

The part they don't tell you is if you don't "belong" in a gated community then you're not going to get much out of it. It's for people who have the means to enjoy such amenities while continuously spending money throughout the day. While it looks cool you have to remember all that fancy stuff costs money, they don't offer much for free.

If you're the type of guy who wants to have a smoke, loiter in your neighborhood and not spend money then these smart cities are not for you. It's basically a sterile environment.

I understand it looks nice but I definitely don't want the whole world to be like that. I prefer the neighborhoods that border such "zones".

 

[expectation]

Sterzel should try harder, the State Department is not getting its money's worth. Maybe I should cut him some slack, as the pickings are pretty slim these days, judging from the China hater channel he's quoting above. Here are the last 5 entries on that channel https://x.com/xibaozi36064237 :

-A clump of fresh concrete fell in a construction site somewhere in China!
-A leaky roof is leaking in an airport somewhere in China!
-An argument in a crowded subway car between a middle aged woman and some dude somewhere in China!
-A subway train has reportedly stopped or malfunctioned somewhere in China!
-A guy is growing edible mushrooms in a garage somewhere in China!

What is even funnier is that there's a good chance it is taken somewhere else or misconstructed. There's a whole category of videos that'll call out either particular videos or investigate on his fabrication from people on the ground. Here are a few -

Here Sterzel is caught taking an explosion video from Russia 2024 and presents it as an explosion in China.


Claim that Christmas is banned in China


Tries to frame an uprising when its simply Police directing bicycle traffic


In one of Sterzel's episode, he tries to misrepresent a Hospital Experience and makes up a story about his relationship with that hospital. In this youtube an expat actually goes to that hospital, interviews the staff and finds out the actual nature of the hospital. A fellow poster fell for this a couple of pages ago and pretended as if it didn't exist when I called it out.

Imagine the thought process on that guy. I guess the State Department has no other options so the protocol is to pretend you didn't see anything if proven wrong.



Its because of influencers like him it makes the whole discourse on China entertaining because of the cognitive dissonance from different audiences

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

If you get written up in the papers just for being thrown in the can after a fight with locals, you're in pretty good shape. In most countries around the world (most of Latin America for starts) your life would be in danger in such incidents. And in the West, you could easily get maimed or even killed for getting into a fight with Tyrone or Ahmed.

I know several expats in China, including one who has been in Shenzhen for 20 years, who feels that his family is safer there for him and his kids than in Toronto, where he's from. It's also less taxing to live over there on a day to day basis, where you have virtually no pickpockets, muggings, bike thefts or people getting in your face for looking at them the wrong way.

Spin, deflect, redirect, whatabout.

Few other countries have exit bans. Some in the gulf states do that prevent your leaving if you owe money. And China does.

The first example I gave before was of an 18 y.o. Swedish boy going into a night club with his friends and there was some kind of tussle with security. A Chinese passerby decided to step in and later claimed he was shoved by the blonde-haired foreigner, who denied it. There was no fight, but it sounded like the local who complained saw an opportunity to make some easy money. A Turkish friend of mine who was living in Beijing at the time this happened said this kind of thing was becoming more and more frequent, where altercations with foreigners were opportunities to get some cash.

The second example was from Shenzhen in 2008, where an American was walking home alone with his soccer ball and accidentally kicked it into a table of Cantonese locals, which was an unlucky occurrence since few people in Shenzhen are from South China, and the American only spoke Mandarin. The Chinese began shoving and punching him, so he head butted the one in front of him and ran away. Two weeks later the cops found him and demanded he pay $2,000 USD to the guy he head-butted, who had no evidence of injuries, and there would be no trial or opportunity for an adjudicator to hear the sides. The American misunderstood the timeline of what was to happen and, surprisingly to him, was suddenly put in jail for 8 months, then deported.

These are not isolated incidents that can be used to congratulate the Chinese on how much better they are than Canadians, but examples of a serious problem in China that has only gotten worse since exit bans were allowed to be used for almost any offense. In China. Not Toronto or Latin America.

Whenever I took the time to interrogate whites in China who thought it was safer than wherever they came from in the West, if questioned long enough they eventually revealed they had been mugged, pickpocketed and scammed, and had other foreign friends who were also victims.

I hardly knew what a pickpocket was before I visited China, but it was attempted on me so often that I had decided to leave in 2008. However, I instead got a bicycle and avoided public transportation, and it never happened again. Six or seven years later the pickpockets on public transportation were rare, but the kidnapping rings were still going strong.

 

[Cooper]

Spin, deflect, redirect, whatabout.

Few other countries have exit bans. Some in the gulf states do that prevent your leaving if you owe money. And China does.

The first example I gave before was of an 18 y.o. Swedish boy going into a night club with his friends and there was some kind of tussle with security. A Chinese passerby decided to step in and later claimed he was shoved by the blonde-haired foreigner, who denied it. There was no fight, but it sounded like the local who complained saw an opportunity to make some easy money. A Turkish friend of mine who was living in Beijing at the time this happened said this kind of thing was becoming more and more frequent, where altercations with foreigners were opportunities to get some cash.

The second example was from Shenzhen in 2008, where an American was walking home alone with his soccer ball and accidentally kicked it into a table of Cantonese locals, which was an unlucky occurrence since few people in Shenzhen are from South China, and the American only spoke Mandarin. The Chinese began shoving and punching him, so he head butted the one in front of him and ran away. Two weeks later the cops found him and demanded he pay $2,000 USD to the guy he head-butted, who had no evidence of injuries, and there would be no trial or opportunity for an adjudicator to hear the sides. The American misunderstood the timeline of what was to happen and, surprisingly to him, was suddenly put in jail for 8 months, then deported.

These are not isolated incidents that can be used to congratulate the Chinese on how much better they are than Canadians, but examples of a serious problem in China that has only gotten worse since exit bans were allowed to be used for almost any offense. In China. Not Toronto or Latin America.

Whenever I took the time to interrogate whites in China who thought it was safer than wherever they came from in the West, if questioned long enough they eventually revealed they had been mugged, pickpocketed and scammed, and had other foreign friends who were also victims.

I hardly knew what a pickpocket was before I visited China, but it was attempted on me so often that I had decided to leave in 2008. However, I instead got a bicycle and avoided public transportation, and it never happened again. Six or seven years later the pickpockets on public transportation were rare, but the kidnapping rings were still going strong.

What part of the US are you from? Is there a big city in the US where you would feel safer than in any Chinese city?? You're clearly not being honest here.

These are not isolated incidents that can be used to congratulate the Chinese on how much better they are than Canadians,

There are no Jamaicans or Haitians in China.

 

[SpyofMoses]

Greetings from Taiwan. In spite of them being one of our allies, my whole entire family is so indoctrinated against China that they've tried to talk me out of being a tourist here both times I've visited so far. "Its not safe, you’ll get robbed/scammed/arrested for being a spy!" they say. And yet I've done nothing but get lost, use my broken Mandarin to get found again, all across the country and never once felt like I was ever in any real danger. (That is a really uncomfortable experience, though. But good for practicing a new language and personal growth.) My point is we get lied to so, so much in the US that we might as well live behind not an iron wall, but a silk veil of propaganda.

This thread looks the blind arguing with the blind about what it's like to see.

 

[Cooper]

Crossposting from the wedding thread - China is destroying the ((DeBeers)) cartel and erasing the 2 month-salary tax on goyim marriage:

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

Spin, deflect, redirect, whatabout.

Few other countries have exit bans. Some in the gulf states do that prevent your leaving if you owe money. And China does.

The first example I gave before was of an 18 y.o. Swedish boy going into a night club with his friends and there was some kind of tussle with security. A Chinese passerby decided to step in and later claimed he was shoved by the blonde-haired foreigner, who denied it. There was no fight, but it sounded like the local who complained saw an opportunity to make some easy money. A Turkish friend of mine who was living in Beijing at the time this happened said this kind of thing was becoming more and more frequent, where altercations with foreigners were opportunities to get some cash.

The second example was from Shenzhen in 2008, where an American was walking home alone with his soccer ball and accidentally kicked it into a table of Cantonese locals, which was an unlucky occurrence since few people in Shenzhen are from South China, and the American only spoke Mandarin. The Chinese began shoving and punching him, so he head butted the one in front of him and ran away. Two weeks later the cops found him and demanded he pay $2,000 USD to the guy he head-butted, who had no evidence of injuries, and there would be no trial or opportunity for an adjudicator to hear the sides. The American misunderstood the timeline of what was to happen and, surprisingly to him, was suddenly put in jail for 8 months, then deported.

These are not isolated incidents that can be used to congratulate the Chinese on how much better they are than Canadians, but examples of a serious problem in China that has only gotten worse since exit bans were allowed to be used for almost any offense. In China. Not Toronto or Latin America.

Whenever I took the time to interrogate whites in China who thought it was safer than wherever they came from in the West, if questioned long enough they eventually revealed they had been mugged, pickpocketed and scammed, and had other foreign friends who were also victims.

I hardly knew what a pickpocket was before I visited China, but it was attempted on me so often that I had decided to leave in 2008. However, I instead got a bicycle and avoided public transportation, and it never happened again. Six or seven years later the pickpockets on public transportation were rare, but the kidnapping rings were still going strong.

I think right now two things are true.

#1) Probably no one here has a full understanding of life quality in the USA and China in 2025, and a large part of this is simply there are good and bad areas in both countries, so to say where life would be better is a big guess.

#2) The trajectory of both countries is pretty obvious. Quality of life in China is improving at an amazing rate and quality of life in the USA is falling off a cliff. Has quality of life in China already surpassed the USA? No one knows for sure, but we know that if things don't change in the USA, it will surpass the USA and then topple it. The only fix for the USA would be to shut off third world immigration, cut them off welfare and let them go back to their home countries or eventually kick them out. And this isn't happening through the current political system as both parties support mass third world immigration.

I can only give my experiences of where I live and what I have experienced. I live in the suburbs of a metro area that is probably about 70% White and very red voting based. Quality of life here has fallen off a cliff, as it has across the country. In the past there were areas you just avoided if you wanted to stay away from crime. I thought this was mostly true and the crime areas just had spread. But I recently joined a local news alert on my email and the amount of crime within 2 miles of my house is pretty shocking. Especially the car thefts. I had no idea that this, seemingly safe part of town, had so much crime. In the inner city, I often have conversations with people who have had their car broken into or even stolen. I didn't realize that the problem was so widespread.

My point being, that crime is rampant in the USA and a lot of it is hushed up for political means. If we actually made third worlders follow the laws of a first world civilization, we would have to triple our police force and court system. And as third world immigration + third world births sharply increase, it will only continue to get worse in these regards.

Is China safer than the USA? Probably so, I can't imagine it being this crime ridden in China. China has crime, it isn't perfect, all places have bad people, but the crime in the USA is even shocking to me after living here my entire life.

 

[Cooper]

^Removing mass immigration is a necessary but not sufficient condition, you still have Blackrock and other hedge funds buying up hundreds of thousands of homes, $2 trillion in student debt, spiraling healthcare costs, structural inflation deflating middle class purchasing power, forever wars for Israel etc. There is also enough of an entrenched domestic criminal element running roughshod in nearly all urban centers.

Imagine if you had the equivalent of Sterzel and his sidekick in China doing the same type of doomposting propaganda about the US and West, they would have a field day. Instead of reporting about leaves being stapled on trees and green paint splashed at tourist traps, they would be reporting about expanses of skid rows, wanton violence, decrepit infrastructure, rampant thievery from car break-ins to shoplifting to muggings, dirty streets, obscene medical bills, grocery and housing costs, bought out/dysfunctional politicians, $65,000 college tuition, working poor living in their cars and that's not even scratching the surface of social dysfunctions like 3rd wave feminism, divorce rapes, homo culture ruling from kindergarten to corporate HR etc.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

I think right now two things are true.

#1) Probably no one here has a full understanding of life quality in the USA and China in 2025, and a large part of this is simply there are good and bad areas in both countries, so to say where life would be better is a big guess.

#2) The trajectory of both countries is pretty obvious. Quality of life in China is improving at an amazing rate and quality of life in the USA is falling off a cliff. Has quality of life in China already surpassed the USA? No one knows for sure, but we know that if things don't change in the USA, it will surpass the USA and then topple it. The only fix for the USA would be to shut off third world immigration, cut them off welfare and let them go back to their home countries or eventually kick them out. And this isn't happening through the current political system as both parties support mass third world immigration.

There are some nuances here that fuel this back and forth in the thread IMO. Life in China is statistically better for a Han or other native. The Chinese have upward social mobility [huge]. As other ethnicities will tell you such opportunities are not present elsewhere. What people seem to be criticizing is the fact that if we transported you into China, you probably wouldn't be happy. I don't think the stuff @Read_Lives_of_Saints mentioned above applies only to China, but I don't have doubt it's true to some extent. China like most places is a mob rule type of place. If it's not the government telling you how it's going to go, it's the locals telling you. There is no impartial party. Not only that but it's a dog-eat-dog culture where it's hard for a Han, even worse for you. I'd wager guys like serpentza had rose tinted glasses, thinking these cultures are a samurai "prove yourself" type of challenge. I read this "prove yourself" BS sentiment online all the time. They're not and it will make you bitter. It's just a place where you survive, keep your head down, hide in the crowd and avoid people that can ruin your life. People are saying that China is improving socially, which seems true. Perhaps their court systems are becoming more impartial. In the long run it doesn't really tell me much. I personally want to see a true, sustainable model. I want to see China or whoever show me a society worth living in. Otherwise it's just another playground for the well off at best. China has "dating" problem, so they've already hit a brick wall socially.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

There are some nuances here that fuel this back and forth in the thread IMO. Life in China is statistically better for a Han or other native. The Chinese have upward social mobility [huge]. As other ethnicities will tell you such opportunities are not present elsewhere. What people seem to be criticizing is the fact that if we transported you into China, you probably wouldn't be happy. I don't think the stuff @Read_Lives_of_Saints mentioned above applies only to China, but I don't have doubt it's true to some extent. China like most places is a mob rule type of place. If it's not the government telling you how it's going to go, it's the locals telling you. There is no impartial party. Not only that but it's a dog-eat-dog culture where it's hard for a Han, even worse for you. I'd wager guys like serpentza had rose tinted glasses, thinking these cultures are a samurai "prove yourself" type of challenge. I read this "prove yourself" BS sentiment online all the time. They're not and it will make you bitter. It's just a place where you survive, keep your head down, hide in the crowd and avoid people that can ruin your life. People are saying that China is improving socially, which seems true. Perhaps their court systems are becoming more impartial. In the long run it doesn't really tell me much. I personally want to see a true, sustainable model. I want to see China or whoever show me a society worth living in. Otherwise it's just another playground for the well off at best. China has "dating" problem, so they've already hit a brick wall socially.

I totally agree with this take. As a White person, I would never fit into China. China is what the collective Chinese mind has created over thousands of years of evolution. It is their home, not mine, and I understand I wouldn't fit in there. Also, if they didn't want me there, I would very much respect that, it is their home, not mine. I have never had any desire to move to China or try to adapt their culture. I have met a few Chinese people and gotten to know them well, and what they tell me about China matches your description very well. Just silly disputes over nothing, trying to tear each other down and turning to the state like cry bullies trying to win their point of view.

Also, in talking to the Chinese and pointing this out, I notice they often will defend this behavior, but then can't explain why they want to leave it behind and come here if it is so great, or they don't defend it and then I see them doing the same thing here. I would explain the Chinese mindset as all internal. For Europeans it was external, go out to the sea, go to the stars, when the elites mess with us, we go after them and crush them. For the Chinese they are the opposite. When they explore, they go inward, into more land when their elites mess with them, they turn inward and just push themselves harder until they collapse. Their entire culture seems to be sitting around and punching themselves in the nuts because they didn't work hard enough and it is always their fault and not unrealistic expectations. They see Europeans as successful but daydream too much, which I explain is the reason for our success and they just can't comprehend this. For them, they live to work and show they are the best worker bee. They seem to really get little to no enjoyment in life other than this, which is fine, that is how they evolved and how they should live in their homeland.

So, I agree with your observations. My only point is, as the west becomes more third world, the Chinese will pass it up. Not because the Chinese have changed or done something great. Simply because the tortious is beating the hare by simply going slow and steady and letting the west destroy itself with third world immigration and population replacement.

I believe Europeans genetically have two great flaws that if not addressed, will be the end of us.

#1) We are too welcoming. This is due to evolving in extreme cold climates and needing group members to share and survive with. We place that same belief into others and then are shocked when they don't reciprocate it back. We have to become conscious that they are not wired this way and our kindness will be taken advantage of, so we must protect ourselves.

#2) We are too much of daydreamers. While I don't agree with the Chinese view on this, we do need to find a happy medium. Taking loans and putting ourselves into usury to travel the world and conquer lands and live beyond our dreams is what got us into this mess. We need to learn to daydream but within reason or at least within what we can afford right now.

The Chinese have their flaws as do Europeans, but right now, unless the Europeans change their ways, the Chinese will win the long-term game and be the lone superpower. A NATO full of sub 95 IQ third worlders will not be able to compete with the Chinese.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

As a White person, I would never fit into China.

One anecdote I heard about China is that you can live there and speak really good Mandarin, the Chinese you encounter will be shocked, compliment you and then just lose interest immediately. On the daily. Obviously if you're a young stud you will get some party invitations but if you're some mid tier man it's them reminding you that you're not one of them. It puts in perspective all the Asians getting offended when you bring up some Asian topic unprompted, or God forbid ask them where they're from and they were born here. When you live with a different race you do endure for a while but everyone has that moment where they wake one day and think "God, I'm in a sea of Asians/Whites/... What am I even doing here?".