The China Thread

That is undoubtedly true that China does everything you just mentioned but every major country uses its intelligence services to do this type of stuff to other countries. How many colour revolutions has the CIA funded? How many cartels in foreign countries has the CIA supported? How much spying has the USA done? What about attackes on foreign infrastructure like the Nordstream pipeline? How much propaganda did the USA spread the USAID in foreign countries?

China does this sort of stuff, Russia does it, USA does it, Israel does it, etc. Its pretty standard.
Irrelevant and deflective reasoning, aka a 'whataboutism'.

IMG_20250611_135819_819.jpg

There is a dimwit running around this thread who for years has maintained the premise that the Chang commies are morally superior and not in the slightest a threat to anyone opposing them - they apparantly simply want to trade and be left alone.

This is of course retarded BS and in total opposition to the facts and events on the ground. Fortunately for CIK I am here to flush the never ending stream of CCP sludge out and in the process shine a light on the bad faith actors in this thread. It's quite enjoyable and judging by the frequent meltdowns effective too.

Don't forget the bottomline bytheway, CCP tools were caught smuggling bioweapons into the US. Why are you babbling about Nordstream again?
 
I call bull**** on this, this whole premise is retarded lowbrow propaganda.

There are more than 10 million containers shipped from China to the US every year, literally many thousands importers from China in the US, yet those evil Chinese commies' plan to poison America with deadly shrooms, held in tiny packages, consists of having those alleged pathogens smuggled by Chinese scientists, who are almost guaranteed to get the full on TSA/Homeland treatment upon arrival, in little plastic bags in their own checked-in luggage??

Are you kidding me?
They could also send them via FedEx, but they didn't. There's really no logically conclusive deduction about the method of transport without knowing the priorities of the senders, such as timing (containers take longer than passenger jets) and other risk assessments.

People get busted carrying contraband on their person all the time. There are multiple TV series showing this daily occurrence, and yet they continue to believe the risk/reward for what they're doing is the best choice.
 
Local traffic redirected and parades held as high school seniors get bussed to the sites of their college entrance exams in China:




Bizar and hallucinant post, exemplary of the type of slopaganda the CCP shills catapult into the ether throughout the Western infosphere. Any Chinese person will tell you they absolutely hated the gaokao and its preparation, but instead the shills try to fool the low info Westoid audience by framing the gaokao as some sort of festive rite de passage with all around feel good vibes reminiscent of Carnival.

The gaokao is the final and most important exam in Chinese secondary education. The culmination of 15 years of formal education+ countless extracurricular classes, and the gateway to good tertiary education. Without a good gaokao score, you cannot enter top universities, and without a decent gaokao score you cannot enter decent universities. Which in China means your career will get kneecapped from the start, which in turn means your prospects at marriage take a dent, just like the care for your elders might get compromised.

This ratrace begins many years before that bytheway. At the end of middle school there is the zhongkao. Same story, because without a good zhongkao score you cant get into the top high schools - the bottom ~40-50 percent gets relegated to vocational school after the zhongkao anyway. And if you'd really want to be pedantic, in grade 6 there is the xiaokao. Same story yet in the case of the xiaokao emphasis is more on academic performance throughout the years.

In China's hypercompetitive society that means the gaokao is a massive factor in deciding your life trajectory. That is not an exaggeration. If you fuck up your gaokao it's basically over - unless your parents are filthy rich and can afford private education. Which is why everybody dreads the gaokao.

This is the environment the gaokao is held in. Every year child suicides spike around the time of the gaokao. On the way to the exam room people throw up and faint. Most Chinese kids spend their middle and high school in boarding school to not lose any time commuting because they need to study from 8 AM to 9 PM (6 PM to 9 or 10 PM is dedicated for homework and self study in the classroom). Studying as in reciting academic works word for word. For the gaokao participants those are rookie numbers bytheway, in preparation of the gaokao many Chinese students literally sleep in libraries and classrooms. 16-18 hours of studying everyday.

There is nothing beautiful or awesome about the gaokao. It is a time of great stress, mental breakdowns and psychological abuse (usually of the parents towards the children). CCP bots and assets trying to brush up the Chinese educational system are testimony of its moral deprivation, literally mandating children to spend 11-16 hours at school in classrooms a day.

How normal people view China's educational system:

 
Last edited:
Bizar and hallucinant post, exemplary of the type of slopaganda the CCP shills catapult into the ether throughout the Western infosphere. Any Chinese person will tell you they absolutely hated the gaokao and its preparation, but instead the shills try to fool the low info Westoid audience by framing the gaokao as some sort of festive rite de passage with all around feel good vibes reminiscent of Carnival.

The gaokao is the final and most important exam in Chinese secondary education. The culmination of 15 years of formal education+ countless extracurricular classes, and the gateway to good tertiary education. Without a good gaokao score, you cannot enter top universities, and without a decent gaokao score you cannot enter decent universities. Which in China means your career will get kneecapped from the start, which in turn means your prospects at marriage take a dent, just like the care for your elders might get compromised.

This ratrace begins many years before that bytheway. At the end of middle school there is the zhongkao. Same story, because without a good zhongkao score you cant get into the top high schools - the bottom ~40-50 percent gets relegated to vocational school after the zhongkao anyway. And if you'd really want to be pedantic, in grade 6 there is the xiaokao. Same story yet in the case of the xiaokao emphasis is more on academic performance throughout the years.

In China's hypercompetitive society that means the gaokao is a massive factor in deciding your life trajectory. That is not an exaggeration. If you fuck up your gaokao it's basically over - unless your parents are filthy rich and can afford private education. Which is why everybody dreads the gaokao.

This is the environment the gaokao is held in. Every year child suicides spike around the time of the gaokao. On the way to the exam room people throw up and faint. Most Chinese kids spend their middle and high school in boarding school to not lose any time commuting because they need to study from 8 AM to 9 PM (6 PM to 9 or 10 PM is dedicated for homework and self study in the classroom). Studying as in reciting academic works word for word. For the gaokao participants those are rookie numbers bytheway, in preparation of the gaokao many Chinese students literally sleep in libraries and classrooms. 16-18 hours of studying everyday.

There is nothing beautiful or awesome about the gaokao. It is a time of great stress, mental breakdowns and psychological abuse (usually of the parents towards the children). CCP bots and assets trying to brush up the Chinese educational system are testimony of its moral deprivation, literally mandating children to spend 11-16 hours at school in classrooms a day.

How normal people view China's educational system:




The Chinese gaokao system is basically the same as in the UK or France, with the A levels and the Baccalauréat. The majority of students taking the gaokao do pass and go on to university.

The main difference between China and its east Asian neighbors is that the Chinese abolished cram schools, and vastly increased the number of college spots available, so the process in China is actually less stressful than in S. Korea or Japan.

Another item of note is that while countries like Germany, Denmark or France have lowered national high school standards partly to accommodate for large immigrant populations but also as part of a general agenda to dumb down the population, the standards in China have not dropped, based on the sample STEM questions I saw. The score distribution is pretty high, it is fair to say that their education system is doing a good job of educating its citizenry.


AI Overview

In recent years, the Gaokao, China's national college entrance examination, has seen a high rate of university admission, generally exceeding 80-90%. While most students are admitted, competition for top-tier universities remains fierce, with many students repeating the exam to improve their scores.

Elaboration:
  • High Admission Rates:
    The Ministry of Education's website has reported that the university enrollment rate in 2023 was 60.2%, according to Wikipedia. However, the Gaokao admission rate, which includes both undergraduate and vocational college programs, is typically higher.

  • Increased Enrollment:
    The number of students taking the Gaokao has been increasing in recent years, with 13.35 million students participating in the 2025 exam, according to The Global Times. This, combined with increased college enrollment, has resulted in a higher overall admission rate.

  • Competition for Top Universities:
    Despite the overall high admission rate, the competition for admission to top-tier universities remains highly competitive, with many students retaking the exam to improve their scores.

  • Vocational Colleges:
    A significant portion of the admitted students are placed in vocational colleges, rather than four-year undergraduate programs. In 2023, 54.1% of admitted students were enrolled in vocational colleges, while 45.9% were enrolled in undergraduate programs.

  • Historical Trends:
    In the past, the admission rate was much lower. For example, in 1977, only 5.19% of those who took the Gaokao were admitted to universities
    , according to Wikipedia. This highlights the significant expansion of higher education in China.




 
The Chinese gaokao system is basically the same as in the UK or France, with the A levels and the Baccalauréat. The majority of students taking the gaokao do pass and go on to university.

The main difference between China and its east Asian neighbors is that the Chinese abolished cram schools, and vastly increased the number of college spots available, so the process in China is actually less stressful than in S. Korea or Japan.

Another item of note is that while countries like Germany, Denmark or France have lowered national high school standards partly to accommodate for large immigrant populations but also as part of a general agenda to dumb down the population, the standards in China have not dropped, based on the sample STEM questions I saw. The score distribution is pretty high, it is fair to say that their education system is doing a good job of educating its citizenry.


AI Overview

In recent years, the Gaokao, China's national college entrance examination, has seen a high rate of university admission, generally exceeding 80-90%. While most students are admitted, competition for top-tier universities remains fierce, with many students repeating the exam to improve their scores.

Elaboration:
  • High Admission Rates:
    The Ministry of Education's website has reported that the university enrollment rate in 2023 was 60.2%, according to Wikipedia. However, the Gaokao admission rate, which includes both undergraduate and vocational college programs, is typically higher.

  • Increased Enrollment:
    The number of students taking the Gaokao has been increasing in recent years, with 13.35 million students participating in the 2025 exam, according to The Global Times. This, combined with increased college enrollment, has resulted in a higher overall admission rate.

  • Competition for Top Universities:
    Despite the overall high admission rate, the competition for admission to top-tier universities remains highly competitive, with many students retaking the exam to improve their scores.

  • Vocational Colleges:
    A significant portion of the admitted students are placed in vocational colleges, rather than four-year undergraduate programs. In 2023, 54.1% of admitted students were enrolled in vocational colleges, while 45.9% were enrolled in undergraduate programs.

  • Historical Trends:
    In the past, the admission rate was much lower. For example, in 1977, only 5.19% of those who took the Gaokao were admitted to universities
    , according to Wikipedia. This highlights the significant expansion of higher education in China.





So apparantly the Chinese educational system is the same as the UK's (total cap), but at the same time Chinese buses bringing Chinese students to their Chinese exam locations after 15 years of State enforced child abuse on a mass scale, is absolutely beautiful and worthy of reposting CCP slop accounts because China.

The amount of cognitive dissonance and flip-flopping that goes into this type of Changsplaining and running cover for low info CCP narratives has at this point left you completely cooked. Literally arguing against your earlier selling 'China special' points because faux contrarianism, deluded thirdworldism and hard-to-explain emotional investment in this faraway Jewish owned commie shithole.
 
Irrelevant and deflective reasoning, aka a 'whataboutism'.

View attachment 21648

There is a dimwit running around this thread who for years has maintained the premise that the Chang commies are morally superior and not in the slightest a threat to anyone opposing them - they apparantly simply want to trade and be left alone.

This is of course retarded BS and in total opposition to the facts and events on the ground. Fortunately for CIK I am here to flush the never ending stream of CCP sludge out and in the process shine a light on the bad faith actors in this thread. It's quite enjoyable and judging by the frequent meltdowns effective too.


First, you're out of line with your insults above, because you're consistently unable to debate without losing your temper and resorting to personal attacks that reflect your lack of emotional maturity. Get a grip already.

Second, your premise above is wrong. Your takes are naive. China doesn't do Nordstream-type operations to cripple the economy of its supposed allies. German plants have been closing by the hundreds, bucking under the pressure of expensive energy. People like Blinken, Nuland who run US foreign policy have a visceral hatred of Germany, Russia or even the Ukrainians which they pretend to help. Blinken wrote his college graduate thesis on blocking Russian pipelines to Germany and Europe in order to prevent them from prospering through regional economic cooperation.


China and Russia also don't do color revolutions in dozens of countries. US and its NATO coterie target almost the entire planet with budgets that dwarf anything the Chinese or Russians have. There is no "whataboutsim" here.

These two countries have been in the US regime change crosshairs for decades, Tiananmen Square was the China equivalent of Maidan Square in Ukraine, they had the entire playbook down, and the main architect of color revolutions, Gene Sharp, was even there to direct it.


Don't forget the bottomline bytheway, CCP tools were caught smuggling bioweapons into the US. Why are you babbling about Nordstream again?

I've clearly shown above that the material on these scientists were not bioweapons, based on the testimony of two independent American scientists, a biology prof from the University of California-Berkeley and an agronomist at North Dakota State University. You're just regurgitating neocon and state propaganda. Here it is again:

Clair Keene, an agronomist at North Dakota State University, said she was puzzled by U.S. authorities’ description of the fungus.

“It’s a common pathogen. We have it here. The claim that Fusarium graminearum can be used as a biological weapon doesn’t strike me as accurate,” she said.
 
Last edited:
China seems like the perfect slave ethnicity for the satanic elites. More than happy to kill themselves over working for pennies on a dollar, never questioning why their lives are terrible, just study and work more and more. No wonder they have given them all our best technology and located so many of our factories to their country.

China can prove me wrong by actually standing up to Israel and the USA in a meaningful manner. Not empty words and threats but real action. We will see what they do.
 
China seems like the perfect slave ethnicity for the satanic elites. More than happy to kill themselves over working for pennies on a dollar, never questioning why their lives are terrible, just study and work more and more. No wonder they have given them all our best technology and located so many of our factories to their country.

China can prove me wrong by actually standing up to Israel and the USA in a meaningful manner. Not empty words and threats but real action. We will see what they do.

The whole reason why you have people like Kash Patel propagandizing the populace about Chinese bioweapon attacks is that China has escaped the satanic elites.




Up to the early 2010s, China was mostly the good junior partner who was generating hundreds of billions in profits for Wall Street. They weren't supposed to move up the value chain ladder, the plan was for them to become a neoliberal society and to fully integrate the global central banking system. Well it turns out that these people are shrewd nationalists who have outsmarted their wannabe global masters.
 
The whole reason why you have people like Kash Patel propagandizing the populace about Chinese bioweapon attacks is that China has escaped the satanic elites.




Up to the early 2010s, China was mostly the good junior partner who was generating hundreds of billions in profits for Wall Street. They weren't supposed to move up the value chain ladder, the plan was for them to become a neoliberal society and to fully integrate the global central banking system. Well it turns out that these people are shrewd nationalists who have outsmarted their wannabe global masters.

That or they are the easy escape goat for the right wing, while Russia is the easy escape goat for the left wing and that keeps everyone from asking "who really has destroyed the west?".

I hope I am wrong, but China has to make some move, a real move, to make me feel better about their independence from the satanic elite. And I very much hope to see it.
 
That or they are the easy escape goat for the right wing, while Russia is the easy escape goat for the left wing and that keeps everyone from asking "who really has destroyed the west?".

Exactly.

The collective IQ here drops by 2 standard deviations when it comes to assessing MSM/state propaganda like a Chinese scientist bringing in her work with her, roundworms in a petri dish or samples of a common fungus, being turned into an elaborate CCP bioweapon attack. This is Russiagate-level obfuscation.


I hope I am wrong, but China has to make some move, a real move, to make me feel better about their independence from the satanic elite. And I very much hope to see it.

It looks like the Taiwanese are, by and large, not as dumb as the Ukrainians, they're not going to get used and destroyed by provoking China. So the Chinese are not likely to make the first move, they have been doing well anticipating economic attacks and becoming less dependent on the US market.
 
Last edited:
Tyson is a rare animal, a former central banker with a conscience.



"Not insane. China keeps wages rising steadily at 35% of GDP and does not provide extensive safety net to encourage responsible savings.

Also 94% home ownership, 80% without mortgage, means no loss of worker wealth to landlords, banks or other creditors.

Also all utilities and most healthcare are state owned assets provided at low cost. Privatised utilities and healthcare/health insurance in US extract extortionate rents, impoverishing workers and the poor."

I would also add no property tax in China. In the West (esp in the 5 eyes countries), high property tax levels effectively means that the state always owns part of your home, and that retirement as a home owner is more difficult.

 
Chinese cars aren't that big here. BYD is the only Chinese car company in Australia posting decent numbers the rest are all minuscule. Japanese cars are the most popular in Australia. Chinese car sales here are way down the list behind Japanese, American, German, and Korean cars.

Deepseek is overrated. Its a decent AI that was cheap to produce but on a lot of important metrics its performance is a lot lower than Grok, Chat GPT, etc.

Geely's new midsize hybrid sedan starts at $14k, comparable to a Camry for less than half the price, with a range of 1,200km. China is set to dominate every auto market that doesn't have substantial import tariffs.

 
Here is the CEO of Ford - Jim Farley discussing about the state of EVs late 2024. At 17:20, he talks about China and admits to bringing over his Xiaomi to America and does not want to give it up even with the import ban :LOL: - talks about the advances and how he has a team dedicating to studying BYD.

Chinese EVs are starting to outsell Toyota across Southeast Asia.



 
Their drugs are already on the market, as mentioned in the video above.

The Chinese university system has only closed the gap relatively recently. The students that go abroad today are those from wealthy backgrounds that don't get in the top schools in China. The number of Chinese students in the US today is 277k, down from 372k in 2019, over 80% of Chinese graduates from the US return home.



Sorry but this is kind of a dumb argument. The US and Europe don't have 6th gen fighter jets, or hypersonic missiles like the DF-17, you're basically accusing the Chinese of copying products that don't even exist in the West!

As to Deepseek, you are clearly out of your element here. It was a major step forward for the industry, causing a massive shift in the hardware industry and single-handedly disrupting the OpenAI Altman et al top down trillion dollar scheme.

The irony here is that you're in Australia, a market that is relatively open to Chinese auto imports, so you should have had first hand experience with their level of innovation and quality.

(This is not personal at you Coops)

Chinese cars suck, I had the unfortunate privilege of needing to rent one of them and its suspension almost gave me a herniated disk. Do they make those things only for their perfectly pot hole free freeways or something? Cheap materials, ugly design and they do nothing better than their Japanese and Korean counterparts and they stink like a medical lab inside. I bet you the few thousand dollars you save won't make up for the usual Chinese 'customer service' when you need them when one of its cheap components fails.

ALso the "EV revolution" already happened 10-15 years ago and it's not sticking in countries like Australia or most of South America as they suck at doing long distances and you can't fix anything yourself on the darn things plus they lack anything even resembling a soul, and I haven't even spoken about the NPCs driving the things.

Edit: maybe this belongs in the automotive thread please feel free to move this moderators.
 
Last edited:
Also 94% home ownership, 80% without mortgage, means no loss of worker wealth to landlords, banks or other creditors.

Also all utilities and most healthcare are state owned assets provided at low cost. Privatised utilities and healthcare/health insurance in US extract extortionate rents, impoverishing workers and the poor."

I would also add no property tax in China. In the West (esp in the 5 eyes countries), high property tax levels effectively means that the state always owns part of your home, and that retirement as a home owner is more difficult.
On the high home ownership rate its actually misleading even if technically true. A lot of rural Chinese peasants own worthless houses in small villages meanwhile they are working and paying rent in major cities. And you can see this in the fact that rental statistics do not otherwise reconcile with a 94% home ownership rate.

On the second point even if China doesn't have property taxes the problem they have is that almost all land is leasehold in China. And while most land theoretically rolls over upon the 70 year lease expiry they could easily not roll over the lease if they wanted to. Property rights in China are less secure than in the west hence so many wealthy Chinese buying high end real estate in cities major international cities like London, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Vancouver, Toronto, Berlin, etc.

As to the Chinese stopping the real estate decline from imploding the whole economy its just can kicking and papering over the cracks with government stimulus similar to what Japan did post their 1989 real estate bubble bursting. China will now endure 30 years of sub par growth as the trade off for the soft landing of their real estate bubble and reinflating the system. Better to tear the band aid off quickly than slowly.
 
On the high home ownership rate its actually misleading even if technically true. A lot of rural Chinese peasants own worthless houses in small villages meanwhile they are working and paying rent in major cities. And you can see this in the fact that rental statistics do not otherwise reconcile with a 94% home ownership rate.

On the second point even if China doesn't have property taxes the problem they have is that almost all land is leasehold in China. And while most land theoretically rolls over upon the 70 year lease expiry they could easily not roll over the lease if they wanted to. Property rights in China are less secure than in the west hence so many wealthy Chinese buying high end real estate in cities major international cities like London, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Vancouver, Toronto, Berlin, etc.

As to the Chinese stopping the real estate decline from imploding the whole economy its just can kicking and papering over the cracks with government stimulus similar to what Japan did post their 1989 real estate bubble bursting. China will now endure 30 years of sub par growth as the trade off for the soft landing of their real estate bubble and reinflating the system. Better to tear the band aid off quickly than slowly.


Do you pay property taxes in you country? If you did, and you understood that the 1% annual property tax (amount that rises with inflation, as opposed to a fixed mortgage rate) means that the state in practice (and not in theory as is the case in China) always owns part of your property, and that part is a lot larger than 1% if you add up all the payments made year after year with compound interest. Not only this but if you for any reason fall behind over one year in payments, the state will automatically start foreclosure on your property. I would take the Chinese model in a heartbeat!

Japan's economy flatlined from the 90s on due to the Plaza Accords, China would never enter that kind of an agreement which would submit its monetary system to the US. Their decision to burst their real estate bubble is a political one, directing bank loans towards industry instead of towards new industries their bloated real estate market.

Also, urban home ownership in China is still very high, around 85%:
AI Overview

Multi-home ownership and household portfolio choice in urban China ...
China has a high rate of urban home ownership, exceeding 80% in some reports, with some studies indicating a rate of around 90%. This is partly due to a housing privatization reform in 1998 that allowed public housing tenants to buy their homes at subsidized prices. While overall homeownership is high, there are some notable differences in urban areas, particularly among migrant populations.

Key aspects of urban homeownership in China:
  • High overall rate:
    China is known for its high homeownership rates, with a significant portion of urban households owning homes.

  • Impact of housing privatization:
    The 1998 reform significantly boosted homeownership rates, transforming China from a country with a large public rental sector to one with a high rate of ownership.

  • Urban vs. rural differences:
    Homeownership rates tend to be higher in rural areas compared to urban areas, but the overall rate in urban China remains very high.

 
(This is not personal at you Coops)

Chinese cars suck, I had the unfortunate privilege of needing to rent one of them and its suspension almost gave me a herniated disk. Do they make those things only for their perfectly pot hole free freeways or something? Cheap materials, ugly design and they do nothing better than their Japanese and Korean counterparts and they stink like a medical lab inside. I bet you the few thousand dollars you save won't make up for the usual Chinese 'customer service' when you need them when one of its cheap components fails.

ALso the "EV revolution" already happened 10-15 years ago and it's not sticking in countries like Australia or most of South America as they suck at doing long distances and you can't fix anything yourself on the darn things plus they lack anything even resembling a soul, and I haven't even spoken about the NPCs driving the things.

Edit: maybe this belongs in the automotive thread please feel free to move this moderators.

EVs today are nothing like the ones from 10-15 years ago, they used to be more expensive than ICE (still are in the American and Euro market) and their range and charging times were poor. Korean cars as well used to be of poor quality not that long ago. As the CEO of Ford above stated, the better Chinese EVs today have high quality standards.
 


  • Urban vs. rural differences:
    Homeownership rates tend to be higher in rural areas compared to urban areas, but the overall rate in urban China remains very high.
Chinese statistics are always fake. Sure urban home ownership appears high if you don't count the millions of rural Chinese workers living undocumented in major cities living 10 people to a shared house who don't show up in those statistics.

Also property taxes vary by location greatly in the west. I live in Sydney and a large percentage of the population don't pay land tax because the minimum threshold for property which incurs land tax is high. The ones that do pay land tax are paying something like $3000 or $4000 per year on a property worth $3 or $4 million. That is like 0.1% per annum. A small price to pay to not have to lease land from communists.

New Zealand has no land tax or stamp duty and in many cases you can even sell assets without paying capital gains tax. There are many places in the west were taxation of property is not an issue.

Also China has a lot of capital controls. Not easy or convenient for Chinese people to get their wealth out of China. If investing in China is so great why are all the rich people in China trying to invest their money into Western countries western real estate, western stocks, gold and Bitcoin?
 
Last edited:
Back
Top