The China Thread

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Was the level of repression in China with the covid mandate any different than that in Australia, NY, Canada or NZ?

Nowhere compared to China, as you do or should know.

The general public had to queue for hours at least once a week outside for tests, regardless of weather.

They had to carry their phone at all times with an app that showed red, yellow or green to indicate their covid risk status, which changed when the algorithm detected if you had been in proximity to a person with a red or yellow status.

If yellow, you had to get immediately tested. If res, you had to immediately report to the police for transport to a covid quarantine camp, which was solitary confinement, at your expense, for 2 weeks or more, separated from everyone, including dependent minors and even babies, who would be sent unaccompanied by family to other covid camps.

Buying and transportation was not allowed without a green covid indicator, as well as access to your apartment complex, which were frequently welded shut with residents inside, who had to depend on food delivery to survive and some did not.

There is more, but nowhere compared or compares with the strictness of China's social control policies.

The Zero Covid Policy was devastating to China's economy and solidified their Eye of Sauron electronic control grid.

 

[Cooper]

Nowhere compared to China, as you do or should know.

The general public had to queue for hours at least once a week outside for tests, regardless of weather.

They had to carry their phone at all times with an app that showed red, yellow or green to indicate their covid risk status, which changed when the algorithm detected if you had been in proximity to a person with a red or yellow status.

If yellow, you had to get immediately tested. If res, you had to immediately report to the police for transport to a covid quarantine camp, which was solitary confinement, at your expense, for 2 weeks or more, separated from everyone, including dependent minors and even babies, who would be sent unaccompanied by family to other covid camps.

Buying and transportation was not allowed without a green covid indicator, as well as access to your apartment complex, which were frequently welded shut with residents inside, who had to depend on food delivery to survive and some did not.

There is more, but nowhere compared or compares with the strictness of China's social control policies.

The Zero Covid Policy was devastating to China's economy and solidified their Eye of Sauron electronic control grid.

How widespread was the welded door thing? I know that the severity of the lockdowns in China depended on the location and local policies.

People had to queue in the Canadian winter as well, for tests, shots or even groceries. Travel was completely restricted in many (most) western countries.


The crucial items you didn't address are the mRNA vaccines, which are incredibly evil by design, genetically mutating its victims, and the deadly treatment protocols that were widely applied and massacred a large number of older, more vulnerable people, like the respirators or remdecivir, while in China you had conventional vaccines.

 

[expectation]

Nowhere compared to China, as you do or should know.

The general public had to queue for hours at least once a week outside for tests, regardless of weather.

They had to carry their phone at all times with an app that showed red, yellow or green to indicate their covid risk status, which changed when the algorithm detected if you had been in proximity to a person with a red or yellow status.

If yellow, you had to get immediately tested. If res, you had to immediately report to the police for transport to a covid quarantine camp, which was solitary confinement, at your expense, for 2 weeks or more, separated from everyone, including dependent minors and even babies, who would be sent unaccompanied by family to other covid camps.

Buying and transportation was not allowed without a green covid indicator, as well as access to your apartment complex, which were frequently welded shut with residents inside, who had to depend on food delivery to survive and some did not.

There is more, but nowhere compared or compares with the strictness of China's social control policies.

The Zero Covid Policy was devastating to China's economy and solidified their Eye of Sauron electronic control grid.

If you reflect on the premise that it was a biowarfare from a peer nation-state and then combine with how densely populated China was, and how many unknown there was and the death rate then I would say China won that battle. (American death rate 3493 per million vs Chinese 85 per million - 1.19 MILLION! American Total vs 122,304 Chinese Total). The wiki doesn't even account for vaccines as well which I'm 100% sure that the Chinese Vaccine had less risks than the mRNA ones.

In fact, some observers could even say covid was where the US and China began to diverge from each other in this Hybrid War for unipolarity / multi-polarity.

How widespread was the welded door thing? I know that the severity of the lockdowns in China depended on the location and local policie

It's quite strict. When I was doing the corporate gig in HK and had to remotely work with folks from the Shanghai office and the stories they shared with me were consistent. I was also told they had taken lessons from a past dynasty of a previous pandemic and applied it with modern tools.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

The COVID saga can’t really be examined in this comparative way because it was built on false pretences. No one did it right.

Lots of people lied, lots of people followed orders, lots of people acted in bad faith, lots of harm was done, lots of human dignity was trampled on.

Technically speaking if there was a real plague the Chinese “isolate at any cost” method is probably the proper medical protocol for max survival.

When you factor that there was no plague, the Chinese measures show they’re either comically evil or comically stupid. They tortured their own people for nothing.

I’m not sure there’s any way around that fact.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

The crucial items you didn't address are the mRNA vaccines, which are incredibly evil by design, genetically mutating its victims, and the deadly treatment protocols that were widely applied and massacred a large number of older, more vulnerable people, like the respirators or remdecivir, while in China you had conventional vaccines.

I also believe that hospital administrators, who were recorded plotting how to increase covid case and death #'s, working as proxies for insurance companies, following protocols established by WHO and others, intentionally created the conditions for doctors in the USA (and I'm sure every Western country) to effectively murder what must have been millions of people with the remdemsivir & respirator combo.

And I believe the mRNA shots were intentionally created, like nearly all current vaccines, to damage the immune system, and have caused millions of deaths. The clot shot is real.

I do not know how prevalent this kind of thing was in China, but if it were possible to learn about their shots the way we are seeing all of those suspicions confirmed in the West, then I would like to know.

That said, you so frequently post such absurd and incredible pro-Chinese nonsense that I wouldn't trust much of what you say. What was the last thing I noticed? 94% of Chinese own homes and 80% of those are paid off. You post junk like this and it really makes it difficult to take you seriously. No one is expected to be correct all the time, and I don't live up to that, but I dunno, you are really whack on this China stuff.

Even though I paid attention, I never heard about the covid queuing in Canada for tests. I covered the truck driver protests very extensively and never heard a complaint about the queuing, so I assume it was very minor. I don't doubt it happened somewhere to some extent, but in China it was 1-3 times a week for like the entire city of Shanghai, you know 25 million people. There is no comparison.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

Technically speaking if there was a real plague the Chinese “isolate at any cost” method is probably the proper medical protocol for max survival.

One of the worst things about germ theory is the way it has been fraudulently propagated as a concrete and predictable system of knowledge for treatment and prevention, even though it has never lived up to this.

The secondary mental effects on normies of creating a container of anxiety that's been carved out in their limbic system due to learning germ theory from Hollywood films, was the basis for the completely arbitrary and useless covid protocols that were eventually admitted to be such, and yet health "professionals" are still wearing masks.

Everything comes down to specifics. Some diseases appear to have less spread or slower spread from isolation, while others that are put in the same category do not. Germ theory doesn't adequately address any of this, partly because it's a very limited viewpoint and shouldn't be expected to be the basis for quarantine protocols because it has no capacity for dealing with its failure to predict infection rates.

All of that was from an internet keyboard warrior, so it's not worth much, but it's an accurate analysis of how the last few plandemics went down.

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

And when Canadians have to queue for covid tests, it's in their cars. When Chinese do it, they're standing outside in the street, in the rain, in the snow, and in the sun.

No comparison.

 

[Cooper]

That said, you so frequently post such absurd and incredible pro-Chinese nonsense that I wouldn't trust much of what you say. What was the last thing I noticed? 94% of Chinese own homes and 80% of those are paid off. You post junk like this and it really makes it difficult to take you seriously. No one is expected to be correct all the time, and I don't live up to that, but I dunno, you are really whack on this China stuff.

The country where 70% of millennials are homeowners

While young people globally are fighting to get on the property ladder, one country bucks the trend.

bbc.com

And when Canadians have to queue for covid tests, it's in their cars. When Chinese do it, they're standing outside in the street, in the rain, in the snow, and in the sun.

Perhaps in suburban Edmonton or Calgary, but not in most of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa. Either way, the waiting was a minor inconvenience next to the damage from the toxic mRNA jabs.

 

[magoo]

The country where 70% of millennials are homeowners

While young people globally are fighting to get on the property ladder, one country bucks the trend.

bbc.com

Perhaps in suburban Edmonton or Calgary, but not in most of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa. Either way, the waiting was a minor inconvenience next to the damage from the toxic mRNA jabs.

But they have lots of debt. In China you can make loans and your children will also be liable. Like 100 years loans. This was told to me by chinese.

 

[Cooper]

Debt to GDP ratio in China is 63%, within the range of industrialized countries, lower than the UK, France, higher than Spain, Italy.

China Household Debt: % of GDP, 2007 – 2023 | CEIC Data

China household debt accounted for 63.3 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Mar 2023, compared with the ratio of 61.9 % in the previous quarter.

www.ceicdata.com

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You can link ridiculous twitter posts about Gene Sharp being in the KFC at Tiananmen or home ownership figures that anyone who's been there six months will recognize as false, which was explained about what ownership of a crumble of cinder blocks back in the village actually means, and it changes nothing, nor do more fake stats about debt ratios.

Perhaps in suburban Edmonton or Calgary, but not in most of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa. Either way, the waiting was a minor inconvenience next to the damage from the toxic mRNA jabs.

What was in the Chinese injections and how much damage did they do? You can't compare to an unknown and in China you can't know most of the things the way you can in the West.

I left China in 2018 and I did not know a single young person (born after 1985) who had their own house in the Guangzhou area, except for one mistress of a businessman because he gave it to her. Everyone was either living with their family or renting, so I find that 70% of millennials stat difficult to believe, especially when there were articles in Chinese papers back in at least 2012 telling me about the 60 million empty apartments/houses.

Chinese stats, even when accurate, are rarely comparable. It's apples and kumquats.

 

[Cooper]

You can link ridiculous twitter posts about Gene Sharp being in the KFC at Tiananmen or home ownership figures that anyone who's been there six months will recognize as false, which was explained about what ownership of a crumble of cinder blocks back in the village actually means, and it changes nothing, nor do more fake stats about debt ratios.

You don't believe the evidence about Gene Sharp being part of the Tiananmen Square color revolution?

What was in the Chinese injections and how much damage did they do? You can't compare to an unknown and in China you can't know most of the things the way you can in the West.

The mRNA vax were unique in their level of destruction, 1 in 35 young people had heart damage, according to studies from Switzerland, Japan and other places. And no, you don't know most things in the West because most of these news about the clot shot are suppressed, relegated to the corners of social media that the average normie is conditioned to distrust.

The Chinese vax had conventional technology with inactivated/dead coronaviruses. If they had anywhere near the damage that the Moderna/Pfizer had, we would have heard about it ad infinitum courtesy of the $1,5 billion anti-China propaganda network.

I left China in 2018 and I did not know a single young person (born after 1985) who had their own house in the Guangzhou area, except for one mistress of a businessman because he gave it to her. Everyone was either living with their family or renting, so I find that 70% of millennials stat difficult to believe, especially when there were articles in Chinese papers back in at least 2012 telling me about the 60 million empty apartments/houses.

You destroy your own argument here, because an oversupply of housing makes housing affordable and accessible. Over 90% of Chinese people don't live in (relatively) expensive markets of Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, though even there with their extensive subway and high speed trains you can potentially commute from cheaper suburbs.

Chinese stats, even when accurate, are rarely comparable. It's apples and kumquats.

Basic economic data in the West about inflation, unemployment/underemployment and GDP figures is bogus.

 

[Cooper]

Just when you thought this charlatan couldn't sink any lower...

 

[Read_Lives_of_Saints]

You destroy your own argument here, because an oversupply of housing makes housing affordable and accessible. Over 90% of Chinese people don't live in (relatively) expensive markets of Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing, though even there with their extensive subway and high speed trains you can potentially commute from cheaper suburbs.

A majority of Chinese I knew in Guangzhou were from other parts of China, which is a common trend, that people move to the larger cities for work. In other posts, you demonstrated awareness of this common knowledge, but now it eludes you.

I don't know about the Gene Sharp claim, but on its face it sounds off and I never heard it before now. Seeing that Tiananmen was a brief interruption to globalization, it's difficult to imagine the CIA wanting a color revolution in China at that time.

 

[Australia Sucks]

Basic economic data in the West about inflation, unemployment/underemployment and GDP figures is bog

The fraud levels in Chinese data are much higher than the fraud levels in western data (which are admittedly quite high).

 

[expectation]

Just when you thought this charlatan couldn't sink any lower...

Sure hits hard when you realize the Tibetan CIA program goes back to the 1950s. It goes to show the level of conviction that the PRC gov't had despite the amount of soft power and pressure that went against them all throughout the century.

This banger came out when I was in High School.

 

[Cooper]

A majority of Chinese I knew in Guangzhou were from other parts of China, which is a common trend, that people move to the larger cities for work. In other posts, you demonstrated awareness of this common knowledge, but now it eludes you.

I don't know about the Gene Sharp claim, but on its face it sounds off and I never heard it before now. Seeing that Tiananmen was a brief interruption to globalization, it's difficult to imagine the CIA wanting a color revolution in China at that time.

The globalists never fully penetrated the CCP in the modern era, the system in place presented a challenge in terms of outside agendas worming themselves in, so they worked on a color revolution fueled by students, along the lines of the liberal French May 68 color revolution that overturned the De Gaulle nationalist government in favor of a Rothschild banker, Pompidou, who turned the French central bank into a globalist-owned fractional reserve system. The globalists, headed by Soros and the backing of US and UK intelligence wanted to put their man, Zhao Ziyang, at the top. Two decades later in the late 2000s, they tried again with Bo Xilai's and his "Shanghai Clique", which was purged by Xi Jinping.

Gene Sharp is the guy who literally wrote the book on modern color revolutions. He was in Beijing during the Tiananmen uprising.

 

[It_Is_My_Time]

 

[expectation]

If you reflect on the premise that it was a biowarfare from a peer nation-state and then combine with how densely populated China was, and how many unknown there was and the death rate then I would say China won that battle. (American death rate 3493 per million vs Chinese 85 per million - 1.19 MILLION! American Total vs 122,304 Chinese Total). The wiki doesn't even account for vaccines as well which I'm 100% sure that the Chinese Vaccine had less risks than the mRNA ones.

In fact, some observers could even say covid was where the US and China began to diverge from each other in this Hybrid War for unipolarity / multi-polarity.


It's quite strict. When I was doing the corporate gig in HK and had to remotely work with folks from the Shanghai office and the stories they shared with me were consistent. I was also told they had taken lessons from a past dynasty of a previous pandemic and applied it with modern tools.