Tactics for being "in the world" but not "of the world"

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Financial plan:

Bet life savings on one hand of roulette at casino. Choose red.

Red - relocate overseas immediately, 5 years earlier than goal, marry young traditional wife, buy a house, and start having children.

Black - become a monk...donate anything remaining to charity, ghost everyone including family, and completely die to the world.

Must ask preist for blessing first. /s
 
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This is something that I see myself struggling with as of lately.

I make progress spiritually, and then get tugged back down to the material - concerns with money or status (far less these days) bring me back to proverbial and literal Earth. This is not to say that I have not made progress from who I used to be. Me from 5 years ago would not recognise the man that I am today.

How do you reconcile being in this world, but knowing that we are not of this world?
Get off the Internet and turn off social media, get rid of the TV, and worldly distractions. That is the first thing to do, and produces the quickest benefit. Use your spare time for prayer and reading, instead. Being that we are now in the Nativity Fast, it is a good idea to start now, anyhow.
 
Get off the Internet and turn off social media, get rid of the TV, and worldly distractions. That is the first thing to do, and produces the quickest benefit. Use your spare time for prayer and reading, instead. Being that we are now in the Nativity Fast, it is a good idea to start now, anyhow.
Ironically, television is one of the few refuges that I still have. The algorithm that my searches have created on Netflix feeds me a steady stream of of Euro crime dramas and supernatural series, where the world that I knew still exists. By way of contrast, simply going outside and walking along the river into town is an ordeal. As for work, it is a nightmare world that I cannot even believe is real.
 
Get off the Internet and turn off social media, get rid of the TV, and worldly distractions. That is the first thing to do, and produces the quickest benefit. Use your spare time for prayer and reading, instead. Being that we are now in the Nativity Fast, it is a good idea to start now, anyhow.
Amen, I have not owned a television in four years, the internet is another story altogether. I have started reading scripture, the saints, and the church fathers in my spare time instead of scrolling, and I have seen that personally these previous activities bear so much less weight and are truly meaningless when you detach from them.
 
Ironically, television is one of the few refuges that I still have. The algorithm that my searches have created on Netflix feeds me a steady stream of of Euro crime dramas and supernatural series, where the world that I knew still exists. By way of contrast, simply going outside and walking along the river into town is an ordeal. As for work, it is a nightmare world that I cannot even believe is real.
You are attempting to escape from this world - but the True escape from this world is not in entertainment, it is in Him.
 
You are attempting to escape from this world - but the True escape from this world is not in entertainment, it is in Him.
No one disagrees, but when you're not a monk, and living in the world (of distraction) ... balance does become something. I think that's why guys around here talk about women or a wife, because that's a more suitable sacrifice for clown world, that is a traditional path (or can be).
 
Not sure if you happened to be looking at St. Theophan's Thoughts for Each Day of the Year, but this is the reflection he has on today's gospel reading (Luke 17:26-37):

"Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it (Luke 17:33).
"One must understand this as follows: to save your life means to pity yourself, while to lose your life means not to pity yourself - that is, on the path of the Lord's commandments, or in working for the Lord. So, it is like this: he who works for the Lord, fulfilling His commandments without pitying himself, is saved, while he who pities himself perishes. If you pity yourself, you will unfailingly turn out to be a transgressor ofthe commandments and, consequently, an unprofitable servant. And what is the sentence for an unprofitable servant? Cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. 25:30). Make an effort to observe yourself, if only for a single day, and you will see that self-pity distorts all of our works and kills the desire to do them. Without labor and effort, you will not do anything; but if you are grieved at forcing yourself - it all stops there. There are things you must do, like it or not. Such things are done without fail, difficult as they may be.​

"But here self pity is overcome by self pity. If you do not do them, there will be nothing to eat. But since the things required by the commandments are not of that nature, then in the face of self-pity they are always omitted. Likewise, out of self-pity allowances are made when it comes to bad deeds. One hates to refuse himself what he wants and so the desire is fulfilled, even though it is either outright sinful, or will lead to sin. Thus it always goes with one who pities himself - what he should do, he does not do, and what he should not do, he indulges himself in doing; and he ends up good for nothing. What salvation can there be in this?​
I do have that book but I have fallen out of the habit of reading it, so the alignment is purely providential 🙂
 
Renounce self-pity.

One of the greatest issues with the worldly mindset is that of self-pity. That everything is against us, and we are hard done by because of the political situation, the circumstances of our lives, the weather, you name it we feel sorry for ourselves because of the injustice of the world.

The reality, from the Christian perspective is that we would not be able to handle it if we were truly rendered what was due to us. Every instance of self-pity is a rejection of God's mercy. That He is not good enough to us, when really we should be on our knees every hour of the day thanking Him with tears that He has let us off so lightly. But instead we choose to feel like every slight inconvenience is the greatest injustice. We would not be able to handle true justice. Thank God for His mercy! Let's pray that we can renounce the poison of self-pity.

To add to this, while working at a marketing company before, (manager was really based), in a meeting the manager for our office talked to us about how complaining is actually sabotaging your career, and that because of peer pressure, hearing your co-workers complain is actually sabotaging you and making it harder for you to be accountable for yourself and succeed.

I believed him at the time, but I didn't really comprehend until while working at another job, a co-worker (he'd been working there for 2 years) started complaining, and I could literally feel the difference. I didn't notice just big an effect it was until days later, but by then it was too late.

Complaining really is useless.
 
Renounce self-pity.

One of the greatest issues with the worldly mindset is that of self-pity. That everything is against us, and we are hard done by because of the political situation, the circumstances of our lives, the weather, you name it we feel sorry for ourselves because of the injustice of the world.

The reality, from the Christian perspective is that we would not be able to handle it if we were truly rendered what was due to us. Every instance of self-pity is a rejection of God's mercy. That He is not good enough to us, when really we should be on our knees every hour of the day thanking Him with tears that He has let us off so lightly. But instead we choose to feel like every slight inconvenience is the greatest injustice. We would not be able to handle true justice. Thank God for His mercy! Let's pray that we can renounce the poison of self-pity.
You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
 
Get off the Internet and turn off social media, get rid of the TV, and worldly distractions. That is the first thing to do, and produces the quickest benefit. Use your spare time for prayer and reading, instead. Being that we are now in the Nativity Fast, it is a good idea to start now, anyhow.
I agree with everything you said except "get off the internet".

But do restrict internet activity to that which is wholesome.
 
You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
I very much agree. The fact we're in this forum with internet access means we're better off than 70% of the population. This is one of the worst forums to talk about self-pity since it used to be a status, sex, travel, etc. forum, and it still lingers a bit. Almost everyone here is also in a first world country or one where you don't have to pay "protection money" or other human atrocities. You should unironically "check your privilege" like the libtards say, to a certain extent. More towards gratefulness to God.

Don't act like you're the 2020's Job because you aren't a liberal complaining about their pumpkin spiced latte getting spilled, but also don't pretend dirt poor Africans on their 5th child are the reason you can't have standards for yourself. The original post talking about "political situation" as a problem is a direct indication of the former.

I'd suggest simmering down the insults either way.
 
You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
Let's keep this conversation civil. Lawrence was not attacking anyone, nor delegitimizing anyone's suffering. The Lord knows many are out there in agony, but what do they gain from self-pity? What help is it if they say "woe is me, I am the most miserable and wretched person alive"? That only adds to your suffering. The point is to turn to God and have faith that we can get through these trials.

The fact we're in this forum with internet access means we're better off than 70% of the population. This is one of the worst forums to talk about self-pity since it used to be a status, sex, travel, etc. forum, and it still lingers a bit. Almost everyone here is also in a first world country or one where you don't have to pay "protection money" or other human atrocities. You should unironically "check your privilege" like the libtards say, to a certain extent.
Not all causes of suffering are material or physical. Rates of loneliness and mental illness are high, even in, and perhaps especially in, developed countries. Even very famous and successful people kill themselves from time to time. The anguish they feel is no less real than that felt by people who are starving or victims of violence, it is just of a different nature.
 
Not all causes of suffering are material or physical. Rates of loneliness and mental illness are high, even in, and perhaps especially in, developed countries.
It's about the cards you're given. If you were born as a Congolese, amputated, deaf, starving child with leukemia, then you probably have some right to have "self-pity", however it's defined. If you're born into riches or something of the sorts, then it's pretty obvious you're better off than Tsulu Ngonge at South Sudan. Both sides can turn to Christ if God wills it, but that would be for another thread

Don't give yourself credit for not complaining, it's retard behavior and not a big achievement at all. Don't pretend your suffering is a reason to overly complain either, which is harder to sympathize with as well. That's the main thing you left off the quote.

Rates of loneliness and mental illness are high, even in, and perhaps especially in, developed countries. Even very famous and successful people kill themselves from time to time. The anguish they feel is no less real than that felt by people who are starving or victims of violence, it is just of a different nature.
I'm not saying you can't have problems if you're born in Germany and what not, just that you shouldn't put every human on an equal playing field in this, while also preaching to the choir about it.
 
You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
I have seen enough suffering to know about the pain of suffering souls. When my wife was dying of cancer, my dad suddenly died two weeks before she did. I had to arrange for her sister to be there when hospice first started coming to care for her so I could travel home for my dad's funeral. There were other ins and outs to the situation that made it particularly hard for me beyond the immediately obvious unpleasantness.

At the Sunday night service tonight the Pastor preached on Psalms 1:1-3. It was a real Baptist stem winder, to discourage anyone from going out drinking for New Years Eve. His point was that going out drinking, or most other worldly pursuits, can never bring happiness. He said that real happiness can only be found in God, which is true.

Psalms 1:1 starts out with 'Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly". The pastor says in this case, blessed means "happy". Psalms 1:2 says "But his delight is in the law of the Lord", as in "happy is he whose delight is in the law of the Lord".

I think this is true teaching. True happiness and joy come from following God's commands. This is the true secret to life. This is joy unspeakable, the peace that passes understanding. There are many passages of scripture that establish this connection, such as John 15:10-11.

My point is that the comfort offered by Christianity is exactly suited for the worst suffering this life has to offer. You didn't like the post criticizing self-pity, but God is sufficient for anything we can face in this life. His power literally sustains us through the trials of this life.

It's not easy to see this in some cases, but I believe it is true.

Edit: I only covered Psalms 1:1-2, but Psalms 1:3 is one of the most famous verses in the Bible: "And he [a man who delights in the law of the Lord] shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper."
 
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You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
You sound like an unhinged woman
 
You really should shut your big fat stupid mouth because you don't know a damn thing.

There are people in this world going through hell that you are evidently too privileged to even comprehend, much less imagine, people who are hanging on by a thread, and you dare to lecture them in your ignorance and opulent luxury???

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAIN AND AGONY OF SO MANY SUFFERING SOULS.

SO STOP YOUR DAMN LECTURING.
I don't think this warrants more than the above but just for the sake of it I will respond in detail.

Firstly I do know about the pain and suffering of people and that is partly why I wrote what I wrote. Because there are people who suffer greatly and do not pity themselves whereas many people who have it good fall into self pity all the time. "Woe is me, I have to wake up at 6am to go to work" etc

Self pity is a denial of God's providence. It is denial that everything He does is for the good. I am not saying a destitute person who falls into self pity cannot be forgiven, empathized with, or understood. But it still stands that as Christians we should not fall into self-pity.

Ironically you sounded more like a SJW Karen going on a lecturing rant than I ever did.
 
Not all causes of suffering are material or physical. Rates of loneliness and mental illness are high, even in, and perhaps especially in, developed countries. Even very famous and successful people kill themselves from time to time. The anguish they feel is no less real than that felt by people who are starving or victims of violence, it is just of a different nature
This is the part that is usually not noticed or is left unsaid. There are major psychological and isolation, let alone knowledge sources, of suffering that are also allowed so as to diminish some ego of people who otherwise are quite talented or successful in life. The random African person who appreciates food and suffers from material xyz also has very little expectations on life, to be honest. Some don't even have high enough IQ to worry about all the stuff others do, for better or worse.

To think that just because people in the west have a lot of material comfort and don't suffer is to focus exactly on what they are: materialism. The most interesting group of all is the cohort of 50-100 year olds currently who basically got both the material, family and longevity that very few have ever had, but still think their lives were "challenging". The reality is that it's sadly about perception, not reality, and the worst part about it is that they refuse to believe that their kids and grandkids are inheriting something they don't want to believe will be nothing short of pathetic, or tragic. But it's easy to forget other things when you're old, getting closer to dying, and don't have much to worry about but yourself. The good in it can only be, as I see it, that the strong will survive and restore some sanity to life and family. It's fairly sad that we have to cycle through this stuff because so few are capable of listening, hearing, understanding, and changing their lives.
 
I think another important factor in this endeavour is realising that we don't have to have an opinion about everything.

The modern world has given everyone a platform upon which to voice their opinion on every single subject known to man. One only has to see the debates that form under innocuous YouTube videos to see how absurd things have got.

We tend to think we have the best takes, that it matters what we say, and that we have some kind of duty to correct others when they do not conform to our opinion. The internet has become a breeding ground for pride based around everyone thinking that the world needs to hear what they have to say about every topic under the sun.

We should absolutely defend against heresy, and slander against Our Lord, but aside from that we don't have to go everywhere with our big opinion about everything. Christ is not going to ask our opinions on the big topics at judgement day, but He will ask us about our conduct in sharing and defending them. With that in mind it is often better to just stay out of things and not place too much value in our own thoughts and opinions.

And yes I realise the irony in sharing my opinion in this matter. However it is the case that many Holy Saints counsel us to keep quiet and distrust our own thoughts. The majority of internet users do precisely the opposite
 
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