Signs of Escalation Into A World War
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The EU couldn't spend it on Israel if they wanted to, they have nothing. They completely mooch off the USA, which is why they are histrionic about the USA pulling out of Ukraine or NATO. The leaders are terrified since even Turkey could steamroll Europe.
I'm not defending clown show EU mate, just saying that Russia is pulling the strings ATM.
Lool.
Common man.
Trump should cut the time he spend with jews.
US is the only country to ever used the article 5 of the NATO treaty after Israel attacked the world trade center towers. How stupid can Trump be?
"The day after 9/11, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) invoked Article 5 from its 1949 founding treaty, stating that an armed attack against one member was an attack against all. "
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He wants to know if we will join in attacking Iran after a flase flag? Like Iraq 2.0. Nope. f you Israeli bitch. Nobody in Europe gives a f about Russia (unless for their beautiful woman) or Iran (maybe for tourism). Go make more your dumb jew wars alone. And leave the equipment there again. Retards.
Please leave NATO. Dont just double dare. Leave. ASAP. How hard can it be? Sent a letter written by Vance. So ppl can actually understand it´s content. Here:
"We hereby officially inform the member states of NATO we the United States of America will start the initial proceedings to withdraw from NATO."
There. Dont forget to take those boxes of gay flags with you. You can make Netanyhua sign it. This jews with their retarded names. No one can write this shit names.
Wait in 4 years it changes. We hereby inform we will stay in NATO and try to invade Russia. 8 years pass. We hereby inform we resume withdrawing and will invade Iran instead. It´s who pays more. American foreign policy for sale. At auction.
American foreign policy in the last 20 years is the dumbest shit imaginable. It´s a collection of losing. US is still a baby. They will learn. The easy or hard way. You say europe is divided. And US? Do you realize what the US policy is every 4 years.
What the blonde dumb should say is "we need to reform NATO". Instead of buffoon tirades. But reform in what. Nobody is going after Iran or Russia. China eventually might become something interesting. Go alone.
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WTF?
You are truly being misguided by jew media. Which is surprising.
UK + EU has 25T GDP
US 27T GDP
Uk + EU has 29T (GDP PPP)
US 26T (GDP PPP)
And this is just EU+UK. Not Europe as a whole.
Europe is richer than US by GDP PPP. And it was also in GDP until recently.
Mooch of the USA? The only ones mooching the US is Israel and China. But they own your asses.
Turkey cant even take on Greece much less Europe (psst Turkey is also part Europe). They arent even a nuclear power. Pure nonsense.
Who is feeding this shit to americans?
NATO is above anything else. A ZONE OF INFLUENCE. And if it´s gone. Others will take our place. And to regain them will be hell. Hopefully Europeans step up. Russians are savages but still christians. Chinese and arabs have a different sun. Leaving it to them is suicidal.
US would spend more for it´s defense outside NATO. Without the slightest doubt. But it would be a relief. Another geopolitical possible blunder. In line with the last 20 years.
The bitch cant man up to Israel and starts berating it´s BIGGEST trading partner.
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Most Americans don't know if Canada is north or south of them, do you expect them to know Europe's GDP or accurately assess Turkey's military potential?
This guy wrote yesterday that Ukraine has an army of 7-8 million men and that it is a more formidable force than Napoleon's Grande Armée and Hitler's Wehrmacht.
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Most Americans don't know if Canada is north or south of them, do you expect them to know Europe's GDP or accurately assess Turkey's military potential?
This guy wrote yesterday that Ukraine has an army of 7-8 million men and that it is a more formidable force than Napoleon's Grande Armée and Hitler's Wehrmacht.
Why are you lying? Quote that, you can't, because you're lying. Very sad of you.
Uh huh, sure, so why can't they fund Ukraine without the USA? All the screeching about how they stand with Ukraine, yet they just told Ukraine yesterday they are on their own:
They have no real militaries to speak of, they wouldn't last a month at current consumption rates in Ukraine.
Could they afford one? Yes, in theory. But they'd have to give up much of their welfare state, so, politically, it seems impossible for them. Which is my point, Europe is a paper tiger that is consuming itself.
You don't remember?
And I after I corrected you on the laughable 7-8 million figure:
In Samseau's mind, Ukraine has a population of 15 million people, has drafted half of its population (so basically the entire male population, including babies and elders), and has created the largest and most dangerous invasion force in Russia's history.
We are now waiting for Turkey to invade the whole of Europe with its mighty army.
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Caduceus
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It looks like they want to build a mini iron curtain around the Lithuanian and Polish borders, especially at the Suwalki gap where Belarus and the Kaliningrad region have a very close (but not linked) border area. This would be to prevent the 2 areas merging, and giving Russia direct land access to the Kaliningrad region
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A sustained invasion of 750-1M men is more than anything Russia has faced in its past. Both Hitler and Napoleon's invasions were just 1-year surges with far less logistical power than the current NATO assault. This is objectively the strongest and largest force Russia has had to beat back over such a length of time. Largest = as in sum total, not just one lump number in an assault force. That's what I was trying to explain to you, but the point did not register.
There has probably been already at least 4 million men that have seen the frontlines in Ukraine, rotated in and out of service, at this point. Then add in mercs, another 100K or more. Then add tanks, planes, equipment, and funding. Even if it's not the largest in terms of manpower, it certainly is the largest in terms of raw power.
Poland is in the middle of a presidential campaign, so there's gonna be a lot of grandstanding on national security issues. Especially from Tusk, who during his previous tenure as prime minister (07-14) had rather cosy relations with Putin. And while he doesn't run for president himself, his stand-in is facing criticism for it.
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This is an interesting question. Napoleon brought 600,000 troops at the beginning of his march on Russia. Hitler brought 3.5 million initially, and many more over time. Hitler attacked across a front stretching from the Black Sea to the Baltic Sea, which is much longer than the current front.
This current effort has lasted just over three years. Napoleon's attempt was primarily from June-December 1812, although some of his army continued dying the winter during early 1813. Hitler attacked Russia in June 1941, and Russia only finished destroying Berlin in May 1945, with Germany fighting fiercely to the end. Of course, Germany was kicked out of Russia long before Berlin was defeated. Russia continued pushing Germany back long after they passed Russia's borders.
Germany lost 4.5 million killed or missing while fighting Russia in WW2, which is far greater than Ukraine's losses. My guess is that Ukraine's killed and missing are between 400-800 thousand, although there's no way to really know.
Overall I'd say Germany's effort against Russia in WW2 was substantially greater than the effort Ukraine and NATO have brought in the current effort. Nevertheless, the numbers for the current effort have grown very large.
Caduceus
Heritage
Nice recap.
I would also add that Putin is a thousand times more restrained than Stalin ever was in 1941 to 1945.
Stalin had no problem sacrificing the lives of almost 9 million Soviet soldiers to defeat Nazi Germany.
If Stalin were alive today he would probably call Russia's war dead in Ukraine mere "chump change".
These are crazy numbers but what is even more crazy is the fact that I can't seem to find a way to keep my physical address off the internet (though I do by not telling anyone including the DMV my real address, and so my fake address shows up in google searches instead), they can read a tire track in the desert from space and tell you the model number, a sniper can almost get to Trump, and Big Brother has cameras on every corner in every city in the world yet no one knows if its 400K or 800K Ukranian men killed in Ukraine (a huge margin of error), and not one reporter can find out? I don't believe that for one second.
Caduceus
Heritage
How many western reporters are actually in Ukraine reporting from the frontlines on the Ukrainian side ?
Like none.
On the Russian side, I know of at least 1 american who speaks both English and Russian and posts weekly video updates inbedded with Russian soldiers.
Somebody surely knows, but there are so many claims out there. I disbelieve the official Ukrainian claims, but there are some high estimates that seem unlikely as well. There's no way for me to tell for sure who has the true information.
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I love the Donald, but sometimes he really needs to think before he speaks.
I don't register stupid points.
You previously said Ukraine has drafted 7-8 million men. You now say it's 4 million. At this point you are just trolling.
You have shown yourself to be inept in history and military matters. Comparing the Ukrainian Army with armies of the past in raw power is beyond stupid. If I showed up in 500 B.C. Sparta with an MG-34, I would conquer it. Does that make me a bigger threat to present day Iran than Sparta was in 500 B.C?